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Bulk Paint
The Scope
Posted - 2003.07.04 10:53:00 - [1]

Despite what you might think were you to judge this game solely on the posts in these forums, I put it to you that it is, in fact, a pretty damn good game.

Granted, it's not without its share of problems but here are the highlights for me:

Character progression. I love the skills training. The Real Time aspect keeps 'twinking' down to a minimum and, in effect, you're playing the game even when you're not actively online.

Ship configuration. The way there is no 'best' setup is fantastic. If this was the case then everyone would just gravitate towards it and the game would be rather dull. It's great to see a post on the forums asking 'What is the best for...' and a lengthy debate ensuing with each party extolling the virtues of their own particular setup. The ammo range 'nerfing' just goes to expand this even further. Top stuff.

PvP. I know the security / justice system could use a little work (and a little less knee-jerk reaction from the balancers), but PvP is a very appealing part of the game for me... and I haven't even tried it yet! I do get nervous when another player's ship appears in the vicinity - even more so if they're a low sec individual or belong to a Pirate Corp. But that's all part of the spice. Don't go out into the wilderness and expect everything to be sweetness and light.

In short, I'm thoroughly enjoying this. I've joined a nice little Corp and am happily blowing up NPC pirates with ga... happy abandon. Who knows? Pretty soon I might be able to get myself a Battleship and fleet of Heavy Drones. Maybe even assemble a rag-tag, fugitive fleet...

Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
Posted - 2003.07.04 11:06:00 - [2]

a lot of us have been playing the game a lot longer. are more advanced in game than yourself, as you yourself admit. im not putting you down there, just stating a fact.

the thing is that there isnt much to the game at all, once you get yourself into a decent ship and have isk coming out of your ears theres nothing much to do. its end game.

like with freelancer when i had the best ship i could get and the best guns around, and it took about 12 hours to do it in.

thingis nothing could blow me up then, i can still get popped in EVE. but its still just as boring, trying to sell anything on the market and everyone just undercuts each other by 50,000 all the time because of the way the market is designed, until goods are selling for cost prices.

you go killing NPC pirates and they are all the same and all drop the same junk.

theres "sights to see" and they are all about as interesting as a dead rat, you take ages getting there, go "coo thats all glowing and er.. stuff. and look, more of the same NPC pirates that drop the same garbage" then move on.

theres nothing to do other than shoot at each other, and then that gets made even more boring all the time too.

next thing we will have hanging baskets on the stations and flowerbeds in the roid belts.

perhaps dancing bears around planets holding hands as well.

Posted - 2003.07.04 11:11:00 - [3]

Why you still here then Tristan? More to the point, why are you such a fricken whiner?

Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2003.07.04 11:14:00 - [4]

I would love to see you going away tristan all the same wining post this is one of the best patches I see the weapons are now so much nicer because there isnt really anymore 1 supreme setup now you can just search for a better setup for each thing you do with it.

Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
Posted - 2003.07.04 11:19:00 - [5]

"Why you still here then Tristan? More to the point, why are you such a fricken whiner?

because i complain shows that i give a damn about the game.

for every person on this forum complaining, at least ten just canceled and moved on.

if you dont complain and make a point, your views will never get listened to, and nothing will be done to address the issue.

both of you tell me something, what ships are you flying in and how much isk do you have in the bank?

did you play in beta?

Techno olic
Posted - 2003.07.04 11:20:00 - [6]

probably still here cause he wants to see the game progress and more fun to play
he as a right to a opinion even if you dont like it

Limited Access
Posted - 2003.07.04 11:22:00 - [7]

lol Tristan,

its in your name. you are a sad, bored guy, hehe.
honestly, lets see if I got you right.
basically you are saying, that after you got the best gear together in game, the fun ends for you because you are not motivated to work towads something. makes sence to me.

do you know any game, where the thing you said are different.
All games are based only on 1 thing: the motivation which makes you to play it.
motivation comes always in form of an award.
Once you got all the awards avaible in game, you dont have any reason to play on.

Thats also why in real life the rich people always wants to get even more money.
Well, and the not rich people want to get rich.
In real life our motivation is money, sex and drugs....or how was the name of that song.

My personal trick to keeo my fun up:
I just play the game, without worries about ISK or the latest high tech gear to loot.
The fun and motivation fo me is in the act of playing the game itself.
I dont care to get the best possible setup for my weapons, rather I just try out everything and have fun doing it.
AS long CCP keeps putting in new carrots, cake and drugs, I will eat them. blah blah, need more coffee....."be back later"


PS: once you dont have fun playing a game anymore, another :)

Bulk Paint
The Scope
Posted - 2003.07.04 11:28:00 - [8]

Now that I wasn't expecting.

I've been playing the game since day 1 (my beta application was accepted only a week before the servers went live).

I know what you mean about Freelancer - I'd seen just about everything I wanted to in a week or so. It was great fun whilst it lasted.

There are still so many things on my To-Do list with Eve - Get a Battleship, Visit Jove Space, go to War with another Corp, run a blockade, black-market trading, find an Arkanor asteroid, build a space station, destroy a space station. All of these are things I'm very much looking forward to.

If you've been there, seen it, done it, bought the T-shirt, then congratulations. Perhaps it's time for you to move on to something else? No sense putting the rest of us wide-eyed and optimistic folks down in the process.

Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
Posted - 2003.07.04 11:53:00 - [9]

no i dont mean to put you or anyone down. just stating that there is very little to the game just now. and half of the big things are pretty naff really or not even in game yet. always coming soon. i bet most of the good stuff we have been promised will be expansion packed too. you know.. screw more money out of us.

as for some of the stuff you want to do:

Get a Battleship, -- done

Visit Jove Space, -- done
go to War with another Corp, -- done X8 i think

run a blockade, -- done, most recently in poitot against The Gang, 5 The Gang ships destroyed. 1 Critical Mass ship destroyed. The Gang ran off.

black-market trading, -- done, pity they nerfed that and then took it out all together

find an Arkanor asteroid, -- mined loads of it. still got 85 in the corp hangar in retail, doubt we will ever see the other 115 needed to get it to refine now tho.

build a space station, -- done, was fun, but most of the menus where over complex, misleading, and building the thing was a case of "pop!" theres a station. i posted piccies of us doing it on these forums, buried someplace in general section.

destroy a space station, -- sorry cant be done :)

See, during beta most of the testers where very vocal about the game not being finished, and about it lacking content.

the people leaving the game and the many posts from people loosing hours and hours of work in game to CCP's bad code are all a result of them not listening and those problems coming back to bite them in the Butt.

question, why do you think most of the support staff are volunteers?

EDIT: blackwood + Bulk Paint = same person? did you slip up there posting your reply there? :)

Edited by: Tristan on 04/07/2003 12:02:35

Posted - 2003.07.04 12:13:00 - [10]

Tristan it looks like you have covered a lot of ground then. Maybe you rushed things, maybe you are just a really good player with lots of time to throw at the game. Who knows.
I beta'd myself and I do know why you are frustrated with things though- they promised more than they delivered and you feel let down. That looks like a valid standpoint for an advanced player to me. You are closer to the 'end' than you could have reasonably expected given the pre-launch promises.

Either way Eve was never going to last forever though was it? Man, if its getting you that worked up and giving you that little joy then why on earth would you continue to keep playing/posting here?

Respectfully, Brock.

Edited by: Brock on 04/07/2003 12:13:30

Mr Kipper
Posted - 2003.07.04 12:26:00 - [11]

Fine example of an argument between a casual player and man who has disapeared up his own gaming backside (tristan hehe)

Oh big f'ing whoop man you have done it all and seen it all, and now your bored, perhaps you should get a life and use your imagination man.

WHINE WHINE....urgh i have killed and done every NPC killing, and trading thing there is. And now i have nothings its..endgame

Maybe start interacting with any of the 5000 other users and actually play creatively or do you want CCP to lead you by the hand through linear tedious plots ??

This is a very adult oriented game as there is no actual point or direction to it essentially.
Live with it or leave... oh and why the hell have you been playing since beta if its that boring.....????????

people will never cease to amaze me, you whiners are like the sort of people who watch and entire film pay for the privilage then complain cause its obscene, if you dont like it ...go watch/play/do something else

Edited by: Mr Kipper on 04/07/2003 12:27:36

Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
Posted - 2003.07.04 12:33:00 - [12]

Mr Kipper, you obviously didnt read my reply.

and unlike some of the other people who posted feedback in this thread, you are just arogant.

so when the server enventually gets back up, ill look you up. prey i dont find you.

theres something for me to do huh?

Edited by: Tristan on 04/07/2003 12:33:02

Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2003.07.04 12:36:00 - [13]

Sorry abit about my saying this but every post you are so negative and then that nerf bat that irritates me even more.

Basic Tritanium Mining North
Posted - 2003.07.04 12:44:00 - [14]

Hmmm, I think one tricky thing with this game is it's pretty hard to figure out what to do. The first thing that comes to my mind is find the best way to make tons of money. But it doesn't seem like that's the way the game really should be played.
I just got a cruiser and well now I make 1mil/hour just mining. If I really played a lot that means it would take a week to get the money for a battleship. Hmmm, too fast I think. And what else are there to buy. Perhaps BP for a battleship, well it doesn't sounds like a good deal because I will probably never get the money back from that investment. I could also help the corp a lot and build things for them. But that will be a financially bad move that is for sure.

So, I'm actually thinking about slowing down my progress. Instead of quickly mining and trading with people getting a lot of cash perhaps I should spend the time building my old things in the corp and instead of buying eg harvester drones then perhaps I should go find them myself, which should take more time that's for sure.

I think one of the biggest problems is that there are no corp wars really and there is nothing really do to with all the great ships. If there was a war ragin and one lost the ships perhaps a few times a week and had to fight to keep the nose about the surface then there would be a complete different situation.
I think that will be very interesting, and I think we will see more of this comming, the question is just how long it will take for more reasons to fight will appear.

So, I just think I will slow down somewhat and have a little more fun.

Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
Posted - 2003.07.04 12:45:00 - [15]

no im not. i just posted in the billboard thread. i think those look great, cant wait to see them on tranquility.

Mr Kipper
Posted - 2003.07.04 12:55:00 - [16]

Good luck mate if you find me in my noob ship with my ooh quite literally minutes of game time invested, then maybe ill shed a tear boo f'ing hoo

hehe :)

Posted - 2003.07.04 12:55:00 - [17]

Most people won't/can't slow down their progress, thats like a company CEO saying, guys we are way to successful, we are making to much money, lets cut production in half. Lets buy our products from other companies, etc.

Corp wars are not likely to happen:

1) Currently there is nothing really to fight over for unless you were being a little **** and needed an ass kicking.

2) Sentry guns and cops all over the place even low sec, how do you do combat now? Especially since theres only 3 places you can really do battle, Station, Stargate, Belt. If you want to get technical, moons and planets too. But you get the drift. Edit: Also forgot to mention declaring war only does so much, since your fighting near a station or jumpgate most of the time splash damage from half-ass tracking missiles or smartbombs hit the gates/station resulting in you know what. Not to mention people using alts in fights...but thats another story.

3) Bounty hunting is impossible, where is the unique tracking id as advertised in the manual? Pirating is now impossible. People who podkill get -2.5 sec hits for doing it in 0.0 sec space, thats right zero point zero sec space. I wonder what happens if you do it in 1.0. Hell, I can't even defend myself without getting the cops shooting at me too.

4) Basically bottom line is, there are to many "safety precautions" to ensure "high sec" space is secure for noobs. I'm sure 0.0-1.0 is all high security noob space?. 0.0 and 1.0 don't mean **** right now. Everywhere left and right are sentry guns. Thus PvP is extremely limited and difficult. Please change your future advertisements to not include PvP, Pirating, or anything related to combat except for Player vs NPC Pirates. False advertising f....

Edited by: SISQO on 04/07/2003 12:58:14

Rogue Noir
Posted - 2003.07.04 14:13:00 - [18]

"for every person on this forum complaining, at least ten just canceled and moved on."

Another statistic you pulled from your hairy ass? Most likely

"if you dont complain and make a point, your views will never get listened to, and nothing will be done to address the issue."

Yes but you could try complaining without taking the **** out of the people you are trying to get through to off with an insulting forum sig, it was funny once, now its just getting VERY old.

"tell me something, what ships are you flying in and how much isk do you have in the bank?"

I have 3 indies 2 frigates and enough money for a cruiser as soon as the skill trains, I also have plenty spare cash, and the game has no end in sight for me.

"did you play in beta?"

Yes I did and anyone saying release is more buggy than beta needs commiting, at least nowadays you can log in and play 99% of the time.

Your reply was far better tristan, what you used to post like, constructive but with an edge, thats fine, but as I said in another reply you may not use l33t, but you say the smae things as the l33t k1dd135 with better grammer.

Bulk Paint
The Scope
Posted - 2003.07.04 14:36:00 - [19]

There is only one Bulk Paint. I, in turn, am only one person.

If you think you have accomplished everything there is to accomplish in this game then why not turn your hand to something else? By that I don't mean play a different game but utilise the freedom that the Eve game world allows to come up with something different.

Create player missions. Organise a scavenger hunt, race or combat tournament. Establish a crack peace-keeper force and enforce justice around the universe. Strap a bunch of MWDs to a cruiser and see if you can't crack the speed record.

That's just a bunch of stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Doubtless as CCP continue to develop the game, more things will become possible.

Sisqo - As for the Corp War thing, if two corps are in a declared war, don't sentry guns ignore the hostilities?

Posted - 2003.07.04 14:42:00 - [20]

Bulk yes they do, but I've had instances where my missile would make wide turns or just be a stupid missile and fly towards the stargate instead of my intended target. In the end, I have the enemy shooting me, and the sentry guns.

As to your suggestion of organizing cool events such as a Combat event. If only that was possible, look at all the sentry guns and cops. My gang vs your gang, one of us will have to start the fight, and the one that does has concord on their ass..

Edit: Although there isn't really much to do about the problem described above besides being more careful where you fire your missiles, I used that as an example to answer your question.

Edited by: SISQO on 04/07/2003 14:43:58

The Graduates
Posted - 2003.07.04 14:44:00 - [21]

I've been playing since late beta, and I agree, I LOVE this game. I think it's a brilliant design and that for a mmorpg so close to release CCP has done a very good job balancing and fixing bugs. And I don't think there is any lack of content.

Most of the people complaining about a lack of content are PVE players primarily who don't understand how much player-driven PVP content there is in Eve. The Eve game engine is just a framework for a very complicated system of player relationships and corporate politics. The game is not meant to guide players too strongly in any one direction, or toward any one set of goals. The game is just a world designed in a way that player conflicts and alliances become important and reputations get built. THOSE things are the real meat of Eve's content.

Tristan's stupid goals like "visit Jove space" are nonsense--those aren't the main content of Eve at all. Here, I'll list some of my goals, so you can see the sort of thing I'm talking about:

-Become an infamous pirate. Sort of done. :)

-Become a really infamous pirate. Working on it!

-Hone my corporation into a seamlessly teamworking, skilled tactical fighting force. So far so good, got a ways to go.

-Kill a battleship with an embarrassingly small number of cruisers and/or frigates. First I've gotta find someone flying a battleship. :)

-Work out a supply chain that minimizes my corporation's downtime from PVP. Making good progress in some areas, only beginning talks in others.

-Develop a good working relationship with some other pirate corps. We've got some alliances created and some good plans, but we've got a ways to go before everyone's on a "first-name basis" so to speak.

-Ship-jacking. Haven't done this yet but I'm looking forward to trying when the time is right.

-Research and make life hell for the corps that have declared war on mine, one by one. So far so good. The 50-man megacorp has lost 5 cruisers, and my 14-man pirate corp has lost a probe and two empty shuttles.

There are many more, but those are some of the main ones. "Visit Jove space" my ass. People who see a shortage of content in Eve just lack creativity and ambition.

Edited by: Setec on 04/07/2003 14:46:56

EVE Employment Agency
Posted - 2003.07.04 14:47:00 - [22]

can i jus say to the guys reply to tris and point you to the rules.

2: Be respectful of others at all times.
The purpose of the forum is to provide aplatform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being inflammatory.

so far you have not done this infact a few of your comments shoudl be edited my moderators.

Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as "flaming," personal attacks are posts which are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing an "in character" dispute become an "out of character" personal attack. The game is designed for role playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum, please, unless it is clearly a mutual, in character exchange.

again alot of you have not adheird to this.

from what you can read tris has been quite civil with people and they seem to ataganise a situation for a respose there is no need. if we took te bats away we would be the same as you and still complaining.

nothing will change that.

Pychian Vanervi
Solar Revenue Service
Posted - 2003.07.04 14:49:00 - [23]

I have read all the posts under this thread and possibly two actually touch on the real quality of this game. It is an in depth space trek, with the added bonus of real people to meet and interact with. Surely if played as a role playing game then player would get far more enjoyment from the game. But then it all goes back to the old story of power player, grabbing as much as they can in the shortest time to get the best.

I have made sure I play the game using all its facilities, why have so many chat channels and not use them, why join a corp if you are not going to help make it bigger and better.

I say more people should slow down and just enjoy the game!

Bulk Paint
The Scope
Posted - 2003.07.04 16:10:00 - [24]

Setec - to be fair 'Visit Jove Space' was something I'd like to do - Tristan was just pointing out that he'd actually already done it.

I really enjoy being part of a developing community. Yes, you could argue that this game is not finished but the same is true of just about every game out there. The best part about it is its potential - given time and a bit of patience, who knows what we (the player community) and the developers could achieve?

I'd love to see an Eve equivalent of the Gumball rally - millionaire playboys in their souped up machines, tearing across the galaxy. Hell, it could even go a bit 'Supersurf 11' or Pod Racing and have other, more nefarious characters, attempting to stop the racers.

Mr Kipper
Posted - 2003.07.05 12:24:00 - [25]

I think youll find theres a difference between fact and flaming.

I was simply pointing out tristans complete lack of imagination and total arrogance.
I though a bit of friendly jibing was cool..
after all we are all big enough to handle a few personnel insults thrown at us by people we will never see or meet in our lives.
well at least i am :)

Posted - 2003.07.05 12:50:00 - [26]

My goal is to join Space Invaders. It will probably be a hard thing to do, so I most likely will not be bored anytime soon.


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