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The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:14:00 - [1]

Research slots are being cancelled and their bluepritns are being ejected. Lots of reports coming in of people losing days worth of research and their research slots due to this bug. It's likely to continue unless fixed immediately. God knows how many mienrals peopel who were manufacturing battleships would have lost as a resault as well.

This seems to be galaxy wide and effecting a large portion fo the player base, especially top end corps with havy research in production. A roll back will be the only way to fix the problem unless you are prepared to compensate every affected corp for the time lost in research.

CEO TerraDyne Syndicate

Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:20:00 - [2]

The same seems to be happening for all kinds of slots. What seems to be happening is that once the slots are used, payment becomes due on them again. My corp rented several slots and I am repeatedly seeing the bill come up to extend the lease after it was already paid.

Knights of Shadows
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:21:00 - [3]

They won't I bet.

Lesson: Stop all research or anything else like that on patch day. :)

Kiran Kidashuen
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:23:00 - [4]

Hmmmm are you guys using all your slots? Or are some of the few that hoarded the majority??

If you ARE hoarding alot of slots then well I have no pity for you,

However if you only own a few and have been put into such a situation simply blame all the hogs that hoarded all the slots and thus put this action into effect.

Gold Brick
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:26:00 - [5]

I was able to grab about 50 factory slots and 30 research slots today.

Ender Wiggen
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:26:00 - [6]

I had 2 factory slots and 2 research slots, Ive had them since the 1st week of release. Im lost them all to the same bug, and demand it is fixed either via rollback or makking additional slots available for those that lost them. This is a very poor showing on ccp if it is not corrected asap.

Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:46:00 - [7]

Kiran, we rented 16 slots and used them all to build some ammo since we were low on it and after the ammo was finished building, the bill became due again after it was paid when they were first rented. Depending on the rental cost, it would probably be cheaper to just buy it from NPC market.

OHG Corp
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:50:00 - [8]

We lost long held factory slots and our labs. The labs had processes undeway.

The blueprints were ejected, all the labs taken by others.

We found some more factories, but no labs to replace them.

Scrapyard Jack
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:51:00 - [9]

"I was able to grab about 50 factory slots and 30 research slots today."


Enjoy looking at the "payable bills" section of your wallet, boyo!

ehehehe! You'll be in debt 'til yer clone evolves into a non-corporeal entity.

That'll teach ya to be an annoyin' little snot.


The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:53:00 - [10]

This is all pretty much why we need a rollback. Corps are gettign screwed left, right and center. Long term plans are being wrecked, short term manufacturing is beign devastated. And the bug is hitting large and small corps indiscriminantly with serious and potentially long lasting effect.

CEO TerraDyne Syndicate

DR Dilbert
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:57:00 - [11]

I have rented a bunch of research slots today... Any of you who lost them can e-mail me in game and I will sell them back to you.....

Gold Brick
Posted - 2003.07.03 19:57:00 - [12]

Scrapyard -- might break you, but to me it's just a drop in a very large bucket.

Nafres Maelstrom
Posted - 2003.07.03 20:06:00 - [13]

lol,i lost slots,and to get more i had to move,but no office can be rented here

i crown ccp king of the bungled patch

Posted - 2003.07.03 20:09:00 - [14]

I just happened to notice our 2 factory and one research slot had been freed. I got there in time to get them back though. If not, our corp wuld have been screwed.

Posted - 2003.07.03 20:10:00 - [15]

I am affected as well. Every time I log on I have new bills for my 3 factory slots and 2 research slots. In addition I am not able to load any BP into a slot so my production has ceased. Needless to say I am no longer paying these bills until this thing is resolved.

So far I haven't lost any of these slots at my home base since they have been heavily used. I have lost 4 slots in neighboring regions that I thought I would use someday but haven't used up to now. But I was able to pick up an additional factory and research slot at my home base.

Hazara Khan
Hazara Khan's Haphazard Bazaar
Posted - 2003.07.03 20:13:00 - [16]

I'm sat at work skiving, and praying that our priceless (to us) facilities haven't been lost. Not holding my breath, though.

LV Praetorians
Posted - 2003.07.03 20:17:00 - [17]

sounds like some of you have a legitimate bug. But the people who are complaining that you lost slots that you hadnt used yet, well that was a PLANNED part of the patch. Its been announced for some time that with this patch, any factory or research slots that had been rented and then not used would be freed up. It was supposed to take the slots away from the griefing sphincters who locked up all slots in the first week of release.

Posted - 2003.07.03 20:21:00 - [18]

"It was supposed to take the slots away from the griefing sphincters who locked up all slots in the first week of release."

Indeed it was, and a laudible goal that is .. unfortunately, it also royally screwed the legitimate corporations. I had a Scythe BP 3 days into a copy run .. it spontaneously unrented, along with my other 4 factory slots (all of which have been used in the past 24 hours)

Jash Illian
Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.
Posted - 2003.07.03 20:30:00 - [19]

Okay someone explain to me why I've been billed 5 times now for 2 factory slots, 1 of which unrented.

Athren Soulsteal
Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair
Posted - 2003.07.03 21:00:00 - [20]

I also lost 3 lab slots which I payed 3 times for. and 5 factory slots which i also payed 3 times for.

Over 600k in rents and I have nothing to show for it. Someone came through and rented all the labs. I had searched for 3 days to find them a monh ago only to loose them to this bug.

Luckly the BPs being reserched were in the factory hanger and not lost. But all the ships being built in the other hangers, well all the minerals that were being used seem to have dissaperred.

Yes I did file a bug report.

Posted - 2003.07.03 21:02:00 - [21]

I relogged and the slots I did not pay the bill for the last time I was on (1 hour ago) all went public! Fortunately I got them back before anyone else got them. I paid all the bills (again) but I won't be back in the game until I hear this bug is fixed. I don't like loosing money.

This is a game killing bug. If the dedicated producers quit because their slots have been taken away by this bug or don't play for a while the market is dead.

Shadow Tech Industries
Posted - 2003.07.03 21:17:00 - [22]

This is why I never play on patch day. Wonderful job CCP =)
Even the carebears are complainaing.
Also... for all those interested in the salvation of eve please go read my articles over on the patch review forum.
This will give you something to do today... Since it looks like playing today is pretty much out of the question.

Band of Brothers
Posted - 2003.07.03 21:18:00 - [23]

Check the date on the bills :)

Posted - 2003.07.03 21:22:00 - [24]

agreed - A roll back is demanded!

There is no continuation from here. The game is over unless a roll back is implemented.

Our whole corp is on the chopping block. You MUST accuratly evaluate if a factory is in use, and you must use the corrected billing from this point on, NOT RETROACTIVE!

Or if you must do these things, give us a warning.

Posted - 2003.07.03 21:25:00 - [25]

I vote for the roll back as well. Our corporation is dead in the water now. Every one of our offices was being used daily by a corp member and now they can't do anything.

It may be just a small thing to many of you, but it isn't to us. We invested a great deal of time and energy to this project. To have it all summarily taken away by CCP even though we honestly played by the rules is just unacceptable.

We didn't have any delusions of grandeur. We didn't overextend ourselves. We were just trying to have fun building and selling. Now that is impossible.

Posted - 2003.07.03 21:27:00 - [26]

The system is processing all bills due over the last 3 or 4 weeks. This seems to be a process that scans all accounts for each billing peirod at a time.

Another process then sees if any bills have not been paid and then frees up the unpaid slot.

This cycle is happening every 30mins and not 3 days. The result being that anyone who has not been connected since the patch has lost all their slots.


Gold Brick
Posted - 2003.07.03 21:27:00 - [27]

Can I have everyone's stuff? Well, except for that annoying nerf bat thingy....

Rising Sin
Posted - 2003.07.03 21:40:00 - [28]

Here's cheering for rollback right to the point before the patch was implemented. Not just for my corp, which by the way is small, plays by the rules, and had a total of 7 factory slots and 3 research slots rented, but for all the people that are gonna stop playing if they don't rollback. I like this game, and even if I somehow manage to make it through this patch, I don't want to play an MMOG where the only thing massive is the empty universe I'm in.

Shadow Tech Industries
Posted - 2003.07.03 21:43:00 - [29]

This is from the IRC chat today: Brought to you by

<Pann> Hellmar: Ok I think I understand the problem. 1st - if you have rented a lot of slot you are gona feel a sting, as we are actually doing the billing. The bills are send out on an hourly basis, so if you have all the slots rented in a station you'll get one bill per hour until you have gotten a bill for each of them.

<Pann> Hellmar: This is the first issue - players hoarding slots haven't recieved billing but are getting it now, then there is the "no automatic reneval if you don't use" that is a whole other issue and shouldn't be confused with the billing. There is the "no automatic renewal if you don't use" that is a whole other issue and shouldn't be confused with the billing.

<Pann> Now. For the last time. There is not going to be a rollback. They are investigating the slot leasing problem and will get it correctly as quickly and painlessly as possible. The next person who falsely says there is going to be a rollback - which I consider to be trolling - will be banned from this channel. Understood?

Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2003.07.03 21:43:00 - [30]

Yup...Old Farts Corp got hit too. Minimal slots - and a bp in mid research got booted.

I have never called for one in my years of online gaming, but it might be required :(

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