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Sethinopolous
Posted - 2003.07.03 15:41:00 - [1]
 

I'm trying to fly a gun-less Imicus for mining purposes.

I'd like to load up on light or medium scout drones to protect me from pirates.

Any suggestions on how many and which drones to use in Sec.7 or so space, without also bringing guns along?

Right now I can pack three, but would like to up that to five drones. In my drone space I could fit two hammerheads and one warrior. Would that be enough?

Sethinopolous

halgar
Posted - 2003.07.03 16:11:00 - [2]
 

yep u can i carry them in a .6 sector and mount a civilian shield booster as well the pirates do'nt stand a chance!

Drewbicus
Posted - 2003.07.03 18:05:00 - [3]
 

More specifically, using drones for defense works well down to .6 systems easily with just a single hammerhead drone if you are willing to fly away from teh combat while your droen fights. Using that method I have fought off waves of 4 simultaneous pirates with just one drone. If you have 2 hammerhead drones you should be able to fight them off much more effectively. My suggestion:

Use 2 drills, 2 cargo expanders, a shield booster and a cap booster. Load 2 hammerhead drones if you ahve Drone 2 and Scout drone skills; if you have drone 3 add a small drone to the mixx and you should HANDILY smear any pirates that approach you down to .6 or even .5 systems (if they are NPC).

The method is: Warp in. Select roid. launch drones while approaching. The instant something locks on to you, count the enemy ships. If it is just one, or if it is two that are not too close to you, target the closest and send all your drones to attack it. Trigger your shield booster as needed, but don't bother to stop mining. Send the drones to attack each ship from closest to furthest.

If it is 3 or 4, and they are in close, scoop all drones and warp out. if they are not in close, turn and fly away from them even if it takes you out of mining range. Send the drones after the closest pirate first. They'll go down like ten pins.

As I said, I could fight off a pack of 4 in a .6 system with one drone. With 2 mediums, or 2 mediums and a light, I could have fought them off VERY handily with less of an interruption to mining.

Sethinopolous
Posted - 2003.07.03 21:59:00 - [4]
 

Drewbicus,
Thanks for the detailed response, that's exactly what I was looking for.

My only real decision now is to go with 2 Hammerheads and 1 Warrior, or max out drones and get 5 Warriors to swamp my targets.

Of course, 3 drones have the advantage of being more managable at the expense of maximum damage output.

Sethinopolous

Slithereen
Amarr
Posted - 2003.07.04 01:36:00 - [5]
 


I use a Probe outfitted wtih two mining lasers and three Warrior drones (or sometimes an Infiltrator and one Warrior). I can mine easily at 0.7 space. I got a corp mate with a Probe and three Warrior drones too, and another corp mate with an Imicus with three or four combat drones. If we all go mining together, we can unleash that many drones towards any attacking NPC pirate group, easily decimating them. The bigger your drone group the lower the sec region you can dare mine in.


Kennian
Gallente
Chosen Path
Posted - 2003.07.04 12:50:00 - [6]
 

if you have drone 5, go for 3 warrior 1's and 2 hornets

the warriors damage isnt so great agenst most ships armor, but the hornets kenetic damage drills holes in most serpentis ships with a vengance

dalman
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2003.07.04 13:25:00 - [7]
 

haha, with my Moa, it's no problem mining down to 0.6 with a silly hornet to take care of pirates. Then I can have 4 lasers and 2 harvesters mining all the time. (250 drone bay)


Askari
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2003.07.04 14:07:00 - [8]
 

its even better with a group of you...

while saving for cruisers we mine with 5 imicus and an iteron II

thats 10 mining lasers 16 mining drones and 4 hornets for protection...

just incase a drug courier pops up, the iteron has a 250mm light artillery cannon on it as well...

works a treat. all the way down to 0.6

I dont know if this will work still work after the patch seeing as pirates are a tad harder now.

Lartfor
Gallente
Internet Tough Guys Inc.
Posted - 2003.07.05 11:24:00 - [9]
 

Well being a combatant my self, i always use drones. Right now im piloting an Incursis frigate which has a small drone bay. I usually use 2 light drones, two warriors most often, and those not only can take a few hits, they usually dont even get hit. Along with 2x 150mm rail guns and a 125mm rail gun i can hold my own down into .3 sectors with no prob.

So basically all every one needs to know is, drones kick ass =P.

Edited by: Lartfor on 05/07/2003 11:24:48

Zaphod Robotnik
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2003.07.05 15:13:00 - [10]
 

Our Security Department drone users, who use a Thorax swear by the use of Wasp I's - a very nice Heavy Drone.

If you wan some stats, pop by our ingame channel and have a natter (bsc_chat)

Tsaya
Posted - 2003.07.07 01:05:00 - [11]
 

My recommodation:
Use light drones for pirate defense, medium ones are not worth it; or heavy ones if you have low drone skill. Best light drone combo is normaly hobgoblin and hornet (thermal is fastest to get down any ship(shield and hull together), the hornet is roughly equal with the 1 damage more it does). As said above, best heavy is wasp.
Setup here: ;)
5 mining lasers, 8 mining and 8 combat drones in the dronebay, if im to lazy to switch i use 6 mining and 2 combat.

P.S.: If you have drone skill 5, dont forget to buy drone interfacing once you have the isk ;)

Edited by: Tsaya on 07/07/2003 01:07:14

Da'Tol
Posted - 2003.07.07 12:29:00 - [12]
 

I'm mining in a thorax using 4 CU mining lasers and 1 250 railgun and 8 harvestor drones.

The 250 rail takes care of pirates very quickly(even in 0.3 space) and if they get close I have 2 shield boosters that keep me at full shield while killing of the last one.
It's a bit harder now with the slow turret turning but I keep lots of ammo :)

1 less mining laser is -48 ore, 2 less drones would be -60 so I prefer less mining lasers

Drewbicus
Posted - 2003.07.07 13:17:00 - [13]
 

I have to disagree with the poster who said that medium drones are "useless." I find they do quite well. They do more damage than the light drones and are significantly more durable; and with just drone 2 you can field two mediums instead of 2 smalls with an Imicus's larger drone bay.

Blinder
Caldari
Bloody Hands
Posted - 2003.07.07 18:50:00 - [14]
 

Yeah, all these thorax loadouts are nice but the poster wants to load an imi :>)

I'd go with the suggestion of 2 mediums, and if you happen to have drone 3 toss a light in there.

That can actually keep you decently safe down to a .6 probably, just use a real shield booster if you can (civvy's are nice because they don't eat up much in the way of ship resources, but they don't help enough if the pirates beat on you).


Gantell
Posted - 2003.07.07 23:56:00 - [15]
 

Blinder is correct an Imi has on 250m3 for drone bay. Go with 2 Hammerheads and a Hornet, if you can. We used that a lot befor we moved to a Thorax.

Little drone story, before the patch me and a buddy were mining in Thorax's without guns in a .5 each had 8 Hornets for protection. We are parked close together and the drones are orbiting. Along comes a Imi who parks between us I was expecting him to steal some ore. Not a big deal we are mineing more per minute than his ship will hold. But no the guy doesn't steal our ore he pops his little micro smart bomb. I don't know if he thought that would kill the drones and leave us defenseless or what. It didn't kill any of the Wasps, But it really ****ed them off. 16 Wasps went into auto attack, and shredded the guys Imi in about 4 secs. There really wasn't time to stop them. The sad part was then the cops came and chased us. I guess we where responsable for this guy committing suicide?

Edited by: Gantell on 07/07/2003 23:58:25

Shauna
Gallente
X-Factor Industries
Posted - 2003.07.08 05:06:00 - [16]
 

Quote:

16 Wasps went into auto attack, and shredded the guys Imi in about 4 secs. There really wasn't time to stop them. The sad part was then the cops came and chased us. I guess we where responsable for this guy committing suicide?



he was probably trying to get the cops to kill you...


Lyzander
Caldari
BIG Advanced Assault
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2003.07.08 14:04:00 - [17]
 

Just to throw in my 2 cents, when mining I use:

Imicus
-------
2 Miner 1's
Small Clarity Ward Booster
Survey Scanner
2 Expanded Cargoholds
5 Warrior 1 drones

I find that the warriors are a good choice. Although NPC shields are tough against the explosive damage, the Warriors have far more shields than any other drone, giving them better survivability when mining for extended periods of time.

Gandthizer
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Posted - 2003.07.08 17:58:00 - [18]
 

When I use drones I always mix them up. If I was using an Imicus, I'd use 2 Hammerheads and 1 Acolyte. You'll punch through the shields faster. Or use an Infiltrator and 2 or 3 Hornets, whatever your drone skill can handle. In any case, I find it very useful to have either Acolytes or Infiltrators in the mix because the EM damage helps bring down shields fast.

Anya Stark
Posted - 2003.07.08 18:29:00 - [19]
 

We are running cruisers, which are a bit diff, but we find Harvester mining drones mine so much good stuff that in a 0.6 or above we just leave a gun on one turret (a very good gun mind you), and have our max number of Harvesters cutting. 2 Harvesters cut 60 ore per tick. That's better than any miner you are likely to have.

Depends of course on your drone skills and drone bay size. Harvs take up 100, so if you ahve at least Drones 3 and sounds like 250 Drone Bay size you are WAY better off to keep the 2 harvesters mining and use a quality gun plus one Warrior to kill the pirates. Using 2 hammerheads for defense is a waste when you could be using one less laser (lose 40 to 50 ore per tick) and a gun, and gaining 60 per tick with Harvesters (60-120 per tick, depending of course on frigate drone bay size.

And Harvesters are cheap, selling through the trade channel for 40K-50K each for small orders, much less for big orders.

BTW, this advantage to Elite, advanced or Harvester mining drones become even more profound when you get a cruiser. Save up for the largest one with the best Drone bay size in your race. My corp is glad we saved for the Rupture BP rather than getting the Stabber a week earlier. I can now have 600 Drone space, can run up to 6 harvesters (180 ore per tick) plus I use 3 out of 4 turrets for miners. This is fine in a 0.6, and my mate is his Rupture then can sit back and mine with all 4 mining lasers and all his Harvesters leaving all the security to me. For pirate hunting/self defense combat drones are good vs. frigates, so I'm not saying you should use them. That's the best part about the Drones and Drone interfacing skills, they are transferable. But I wouldn't mine with lasers and no Harvesters. Wasted time, wasted ISK.

Stark



Edited by: Anya Stark on 08/07/2003 18:35:08

Bashar
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2003.07.08 23:25:00 - [20]
 

Depending on the size of the pirate spawns in the system (many .7's have very pathetic pirates and only 1 or 2 per group), you can often get away with running 3 elite mining drones and 2 scout light combat drones (i like the hobgoblin and hornet also) even if you only have level 3 drone skill you can always scoop the three miners, and launch fighters when pirates show up if you stay close to the roid your mining (which you should if your using mining drones) otherwise you can keep all 5 if you have the skill. throwing those 3 elites into the mix will give you another 90m3 of ore per minute..

then when you gradutate to a vexor, you can run your 4 lasers 8 miners, and still keep 8 light combat in your bay for when the pirates come. I prefer this to useing one gun and all miing drones in either case, as most of the time a gun is inactive, and wasting space....with drones you just unload whatever you need.

Bashar


 

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