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Zanthiuse
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.11 19:33:00 - [1]
 

I'm trying to chose a cruiser or battlecruiser for pvp and pirating. I have had great success so far with the thorax, but i feel i should try out some other things too, and i like the idea of more med slots. I'm going to limit this to gallante and caldari ships because i already have gallente hac and will be training tech2 med guns. So, what's your favorite, and why? Or do you have some good setups? Should i just stick with the rax?

Miss Mwah
Posted - 2005.03.11 19:37:00 - [2]
 

vexor

2med nosf, 2 small, 1 gun
1web, 1 20km src, 1 ab
2 med reps, 2 hards

Selim
Akh'Vehlr Industries
Posted - 2005.03.11 20:18:00 - [3]
 

regular cruisers suck except the thorax.

Stabber is good because its fast but its really only good for mongoosing interceptors and assault frigs.

slothe
Caldari
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas.
Posted - 2005.03.11 20:29:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Selim
regular cruisers suck except the thorax.

Stabber is good because its fast but its really only good for mongoosing interceptors and assault frigs.


i think the vexor has a role too.

Zanthiuse
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.11 21:01:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Selim
regular cruisers suck except the thorax.

Stabber is good because its fast but its really only good for mongoosing interceptors and assault frigs.


this is the general impression i had. Cruisers blow except for
Rax because of insane firepower
Stabber because of good speed
blackbird because it can jam battleships
Vexor seems alright too, but i'd guess 8 heavies on the rax is better than 14 or 15 meds.

As for the bc, from what i've seen thorax with 1600 plate and frig guns is better than brutix. The rest seem ok, but i don't know if the cyclone has any real advantage of the ferox. Ferox and proph seem to be the best.

Kyle Caldrel
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.03.11 21:09:00 - [6]
 

Ferox is decent as well as a ganka prophacy.

Voltron
Caldari
Black Lance
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2005.03.11 21:09:00 - [7]
 

augoror

can be a crazy little tank Very Happy

needs more drone space though Sad

MadGaz
Temptation inc.
Posted - 2005.03.11 21:24:00 - [8]
 

Maller has an insane tank when fitted properly, or can be fitted to do some nice damage with heavy pulse and a few heatsinks

RDM
Posted - 2005.03.11 21:36:00 - [9]
 

A cyclone is a nice pirate battlecruiser because it can fit 2 scramblers and a webber.

A maller is very nice because of how much you can tank it up. Lets you have plenty of time to kill off the drones before they start to threaten you.

There arent a lot of options though, the thorax is probably the best choice.

Weirda
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2005.03.11 22:04:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Selim
regular cruisers suck except the thorax.

Stabber is good because its fast but its really only good for mongoosing interceptors and assault frigs.


Thorax is simple to kill with a Rupture. Rock/Sissor/Paper Weirda guess...

Set it up as a short range killer - it is very fast and deals massive damage against types that players are rarely equipped to handle... Shocked

BUT - you said Galliente/Caldari - so this is moot... Thorax... but run from a Rupture if he know what he's doing. Cool

Selim
Akh'Vehlr Industries
Posted - 2005.03.11 22:38:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Selim on 11/03/2005 22:39:50
Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Selim
regular cruisers suck except the thorax.

Stabber is good because its fast but its really only good for mongoosing interceptors and assault frigs.


Thorax is simple to kill with a Rupture. Rock/Sissor/Paper Weirda guess...

Set it up as a short range killer - it is very fast and deals massive damage against types that players are rarely equipped to handle... Shocked

BUT - you said Galliente/Caldari - so this is moot... Thorax... but run from a Rupture if he know what he's doing. Cool


Of course you can kill anything with anything Wink But the thorax is much more viable for general use than a rupture. At least in my opinion. Rupture is well suited to killing certain things but not all. Thorax is more general purpose.

Grut
The Protei
Posted - 2005.03.11 23:18:00 - [12]
 

If i had to go for a single bc/cruiser to pvp id pick a gankaproph... it'll toast anything without ew smaller then a bs.

Hyey
Posted - 2005.03.11 23:38:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Selim
Edited by: Selim on 11/03/2005 22:39:50
Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Selim
regular cruisers suck except the thorax.

Stabber is good because its fast but its really only good for mongoosing interceptors and assault frigs.


Thorax is simple to kill with a Rupture. Rock/Sissor/Paper Weirda guess...

Set it up as a short range killer - it is very fast and deals massive damage against types that players are rarely equipped to handle... Shocked

BUT - you said Galliente/Caldari - so this is moot... Thorax... but run from a Rupture if he know what he's doing. Cool


Of course you can kill anything with anything Wink But the thorax is much more viable for general use than a rupture. At least in my opinion. Rupture is well suited to killing certain things but not all. Thorax is more general purpose.


If we are only discussing cruisers than IMO the thorax would be what is called inbalanced Laughing in respect to all other cruisers. The Rupture and the thorax are almost onpar with each other but yes, the thorax is more general purpose.

Cruisers suck in general though, they are not fast enough, nor do they have enough agility compared to BS, its really ridiculous. Go for a battlecruiser, at least with that you can somewhat tank and kill Razz

Edoo
The Scope
Posted - 2005.03.11 23:50:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Edoo on 11/03/2005 23:50:31
i used to play with thoraxes loads. i have lost about 20 of them lol. My prophecy ripped apart a cyclone within 10 seconds Smile It is prolly the best BC.

Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
Posted - 2005.03.12 02:24:00 - [15]
 

I think all cruisers and Battlecruisers play a good role in any pvp. Fun playing with them atleast.

Cruisers : Maller or Stabber.
Battlecruisers : Prophecy

Maller can be really lethal with the right setup. Very nice cruiser for all pvp.
Stabbers obviously for a more speedy ganks.
Prophecy has awsome armor tanking abilities. It also has a lot of low slots for a mini-gankgeddon setup. Unlimited ammo, tankage, snipe or close range. Very good for the surroundings as well those BS support fights.

But personaly, I would just stick to a elite frig.

-The Frig-

Weirda
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2005.03.12 02:31:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Selim
Edited by: Selim on 11/03/2005 22:39:50
Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Selim
regular cruisers suck except the thorax.

Stabber is good because its fast but its really only good for mongoosing interceptors and assault frigs.


Thorax is simple to kill with a Rupture. Rock/Sissor/Paper Weirda guess...

Set it up as a short range killer - it is very fast and deals massive damage against types that players are rarely equipped to handle... Shocked

BUT - you said Galliente/Caldari - so this is moot... Thorax... but run from a Rupture if he know what he's doing. Cool


Of course you can kill anything with anything Wink But the thorax is much more viable for general use than a rupture. At least in my opinion. Rupture is well suited to killing certain things but not all. Thorax is more general purpose.


Let's just say that Weirda have a 'general purpose' rupture setup that could kil thorax and any other cruiser for that matter... Very easy to tank, control range, and deal great damage with. To each they own though... YARRRR!!

Zanthiuse
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.12 03:05:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Selim
Edited by: Selim on 11/03/2005 22:39:50
Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Selim
regular cruisers suck except the thorax.

Stabber is good because its fast but its really only good for mongoosing interceptors and assault frigs.


Thorax is simple to kill with a Rupture. Rock/Sissor/Paper Weirda guess...

Set it up as a short range killer - it is very fast and deals massive damage against types that players are rarely equipped to handle... Shocked

BUT - you said Galliente/Caldari - so this is moot... Thorax... but run from a Rupture if he know what he's doing. Cool


Of course you can kill anything with anything Wink But the thorax is much more viable for general use than a rupture. At least in my opinion. Rupture is well suited to killing certain things but not all. Thorax is more general purpose.


Let's just say that Weirda have a 'general purpose' rupture setup that could kil thorax and any other cruiser for that matter... Very easy to tank, control range, and deal great damage with. To each they own though... YARRRR!!


will you share it?

Atar
Perpetua Umbra
Brotherhood Of Steel
Posted - 2005.03.12 03:35:00 - [18]
 

Vexor 4TW!

Hyey
Posted - 2005.03.12 05:09:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Selim
Edited by: Selim on 11/03/2005 22:39:50
Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Selim
regular cruisers suck except the thorax.

Stabber is good because its fast but its really only good for mongoosing interceptors and assault frigs.


Thorax is simple to kill with a Rupture. Rock/Sissor/Paper Weirda guess...

Set it up as a short range killer - it is very fast and deals massive damage against types that players are rarely equipped to handle... Shocked

BUT - you said Galliente/Caldari - so this is moot... Thorax... but run from a Rupture if he know what he's doing. Cool


Of course you can kill anything with anything Wink But the thorax is much more viable for general use than a rupture. At least in my opinion. Rupture is well suited to killing certain things but not all. Thorax is more general purpose.


Let's just say that Weirda have a 'general purpose' rupture setup that could kil thorax and any other cruiser for that matter... Very easy to tank, control range, and deal great damage with. To each they own though... YARRRR!!


Well that point aside, i have a "general purpose" omen setup that has killed ruptures. In effect id say that it is a rock/paper/scissors game, and its all about piloting in the end.

However, for noob friendliness the thorax is simply easier to handle when compared to other tech 3 cruisers is all.

Zanthiuse
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.12 06:25:00 - [20]
 

i'm not after noob friendliness, i'm after what will serve me best in the long run.

Arimas Talasko
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2005.03.12 07:00:00 - [21]
 

There ain't going to be much of a long run if you pilot a difficult ship :P

But anyway I'd stay with the rax for general fighting, it tends to be fairly effective, and though it dies often it is very inexpensive to replace.

Streetrip
FinFleet
KenZoku
Posted - 2005.03.13 00:33:00 - [22]
 

i'm a dedicated thorax pilot for around 6 months now i think. Now and then picked up Battle cruisers and assault frigs and interceptors but always comin back to the thorax. And soon to be deimos as well for BS spawns.

To be honest my biggest threat is either a maller or another rax more skilled up than me. BSs i can outmanouver easy. In any PvP situation, 60km warp, see something ready to gank you hit the autopilot out. Maller is a dogfighter sorta ship and at some range too so that'll **** me off for awhile. Also ranged Assault frigates but they stop being a problem with MWD and web.

8 heavy drones and you got one of the most versatile or if not THE most versatile cruiser there is. for 7mill that aint too bad.
75mill get its bigger bigger brother the deimos.

Now Battlecruisers i have tried the ferox with some success but with the usual loadout with a ferox i find it hard to down a BS shield with time and cost effectiveness...we're talkin 10 minutes here and if you screw up like not fire straight after reload then it will out tank so fast that you gotta start over again.
Brutix is crap, can kill BSs faster than a apocalypse but it cant survive a shot from one. (exaggeration but a BS with any escort will kill a brutix) not really touched upon the minmatar one (dont know the name) and the prophecy...well i've heard good things about it....but its amarr and i'm biased against them

Zanthiuse
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.13 01:02:00 - [23]
 

heheh, lost my first deimos afew weeks ago....waiting for an ishtar now. But i don't have the cash to fly those exclusivly, and the waiting lists are too annoying.


 

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