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Bon Hedus
Amarr
Voice of the Blood Raiders
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:47:00 - [1]
 

I've been with Eve Online for a long time, since beta. I have brought friends and family into the game by telling them how good it is and how much fun it is. I truly hope CCP decides to reverse some of it's most recent decisions (mainly NEX but Incarna as well). Hilmar wanted to see what the player base would do and not what they say, so I chose to vote with my actions.

In a few hours this account will lapse. CCP showed me the door and so I opened it and walked out. I am not leaving to play WoW, never played it and not planning on starting. I will keep my stuff. Maybe CCP will realize in time the error of their ways and reverse course.

A few thoughts for CCP.

Focus on your player base. If you lose them you will lose your game.

Reevaluate your goals. I have watched CCP grow since EVE opened in 2003, please look back to see your accomplishments and mistakes. don't be doomed to repeat them.

Eve is about internet spaceships, not barbies. It is not bad to use EVE to help create new games, but please don't switch your focus.

Just a few thoughts before signing out. I guess the biggest reason I chose to close my accounts was that I felt and still feel betrayed by CCP and their vision of EVE. I understand that it is CCP's game and they can do what they choose with it. When our paths are no longer going in the same direction, it is time to part ways.

Thanks for many years of fun.

Bon

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:52:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Bon Hedus
CCP showed me the door and so I opened it and walked out.


Shocked He did that what cannot be done, he opened THE DOOR Surprised

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:57:00 - [3]
 

I'm not trying to be rude, and there are plenty of people, myself included, who feel the same.

However, the people that allocate resources to Eve and control it's financial decisions don't give a flying **** about you, and the best thing we can all do is continue to unsub if you are unhappy with the game, until management either **** it up completely, or the current management gets "rearranged".

My biggest fear is that if too many unsub however, that first route will be taken and something drastic will be done to ensure an influx of new players, such as a full free to play model, or pay to win items.

The only reason I don't see that happening immediately is due to the fact Dust 514 kind of relies on Eve as it's main selling point. (as in the intergration with it).

Thornat
Posted - 2011.09.06 11:40:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
I'm not trying to be rude, and there are plenty of people, myself included, who feel the same.

However, the people that allocate resources to Eve and control it's financial decisions don't give a flying **** about you, and the best thing we can all do is continue to unsub if you are unhappy with the game, until management either **** it up completely, or the current management gets "rearranged".

My biggest fear is that if too many unsub however, that first route will be taken and something drastic will be done to ensure an influx of new players, such as a full free to play model, or pay to win items.

The only reason I don't see that happening immediately is due to the fact Dust 514 kind of relies on Eve as it's main selling point. (as in the intergration with it).


In a lot of ways Dust I think will ultimatly save Eve from oblivion. Neither that project or WoD has a future without Eve as a financial crutch and already (according to some sources) its rumored that they have a big bill coming up this or next month (I don't have the source handy) which they cannot cover. Given the state of subscription decline at the moment (if those sources can be trusted) than un****ing this situation seems to me is an absolute must for the continued viability of Eve and its three projects. Now most of that is based on internet sources and information that we have, hence it can only be described as "unreliable sources", but at the same time any Eve player game at the moment can tell you that the amount of people logged in has greatly diminished and that already says a lot about the reaction to the current state of affairs.

The point here is that Eve is not doing very well at the moment according to most sources and being a financial crutch for other projects, improving it will probobly become top priority for CCP if for no other reason than pressure from their investors.

The forum community has firmly flipped against them. Members of their own CSM are speaking out against them. The media is covering the whole thing in a very negative light. Most of the Pod Casts, including Eve Radio has shined a very poor light on them. The number of people logging in is down. Incarna has been widely rejected. If sources are true, their are loans outstanding that cannot be covered.

The whole thing at least in the public eye has become very unstable and consumer confidence is at an all time low.

The investors, assuming they have any brains at all and are truely attached to their money and investment will hopefully take all this in and put some pressure on CCP to both improve their community relations and start delivering on the many empty promises that have been sweeped under the rug to turn this thing around.

Personally however I don't think its going to happen. I predict two things. First an outright cancelation of WoD. That project will never see day l... eh night light. Dust on the other hand will be reduced to a standard FPS having nothing to do with Eve.


Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.06 22:25:00 - [5]
 

Quote:
The forum community has firmly flipped against them.


You can't bundle the other 350k+ users into the postings of a few dozen. I've only been on these forums a short while and all I have seen is the same flames coming from the same jet motors day after day...

In my experience, it's the minorities that make the most noise.

There are some genuine concerns no doubt and I suspect that CCP may well have regretted some of their decisions. The world is full of experts with hindsight, very few have 20/20 foresight. Hindsight makes us *all* wiseman after all.

But their investment and time in Incarna - with it's long term objectives in mind - simply can't be realistically rolled back, mistake or otherwise.

And let's be real, the entire NeX and Incarna is based around the future Dust and WiS releases. When it's all combined it will fill a niche for many new players while still retaining the "old" Eve for everyone else.

Having said that, you've really only lost the ability to spin ships and you're not interested in optional clothing.

Let's put some perspective on it.

Jenshae Chiroptera
Posted - 2011.09.06 22:43:00 - [6]
 

You can bundle them under the list of accounts closed and recorded during the strike

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.06 22:57:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Quote:
The forum community has firmly flipped against them.


You can't bundle the other 350k+ users into the postings of a few dozen.



is that 350K Users? or 350K Accounts?

Living Dead Girl
Posted - 2011.09.06 23:16:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Si Omega


But their investment and time in Incarna - with it's long term objectives in mind - simply can't be realistically rolled back, mistake or otherwise.

And let's be real, the entire NeX and Incarna is based around the future Dust and WiS releases. When it's all combined it will fill a niche for many new players while still retaining the "old" Eve for everyone else.

Having said that, you've really only lost the ability to spin ships and you're not interested in optional clothing.

Let's put some perspective on it.



Actually, Your perspective is flawed, or its obvious your a (semi?) new player.

When the NeX was first opened, yes, it was a concern. however, CCP did somewhat quell those fears. (barring the whole "slippery slope" thing).

The Primary Concern, at least for me, (as i cannot speak for even one other person here) is the direction...or rather, lack thereof, of CCP in reguards to EVE. CCP is WELL known for releasing half finished content, and then NEVER getting back to it. And on top of everything, then we get :18months:, and find that most of the devs have been pulled off EVE for other projects, leaving EVE with....3 teams? (Remember reading it somewhere, i think tippia had posted it, but dont quote me. team gridlock, team BFF, and one other IIRC)



TL:DR Ship spinning, while missed, isnt the main thing here for me. Neither is optional clothing. The Primary concern is the apparent lack of any real FIS development for.....how long now?


Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.06 23:30:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
recorded during the strike


Ahh yes. The "strike". Read my recent post re: mob mentality. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1574697


Quote:
is that 350K Users? or 350K Accounts?


Fair point. Average of 4 per. 90 odd thousand. Regardless, there are not even 9,000 voices of dissent let alone 90,000.


Quote:
CCP is WELL known for releasing half finished content

True? Acophryha (sic) was a full blown release and CCP stated that major rollouts are serious head****. Their approach is progressive rollouts. From a developers POV, that's is the SAFEST way to do it. And given the crap they get for a few bugs here and there, it makes even more sense.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.07 01:47:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Si Omega

Quote:
is that 350K Users? or 350K Accounts?


Fair point. Average of 4 per. 90 odd thousand. Regardless, there are not even 9,000 voices of dissent let alone 90,000.



This is where I disagree. I accept that a large number of people are happy with Eve atm, but it's unfair to say that everyone that doesn't post on the forums is happy with it.

Even if 10% that don't voice their opinions are unhappy, thats still 35000 paying accounts, bringing in an average of $525000 of revenue per month.

I dont know of any company in the position CCP is in (ie developing 2 other games they are receiving no revenue for currently, current outstanding debts etc), that would be happy with losing $6million dollars a year in subscriptions.

But that is all speculation, however based on the actions of CCP, including flying CSM members out to Iceland, no matter how much of a publicity stunt, must have been enough people for CCP to start to get a bit concerned.

IQ 001
Gallente
2plus2isfive
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.09.07 10:39:00 - [11]
 

my 2c

the 1/2 finished content is the problem. not addressing issues, and in some cases simply an utter abmisal failure at even recognising them with a simple communication like "yes we are aware" (e.g. blasters, gallante stealth nerf with Nano, and galante ewar), P.I. "rule as a tyrant" [comon cpp, shoot your product owners with this one...they obviously missed out part of their job]
and so on...

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.09.07 11:32:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Quote:
The forum community has firmly flipped against them.


You can't bundle the other 350k+ users into the postings of a few dozen...


However, you can correlate them to Jester's PCU trend graph, which strongly supports them.

Have you seen that graph?

Pak Narhoo
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.07 12:32:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Si Omega


Quote:
CCP is WELL known for releasing half finished content

True? Acophryha (sic) was a full blown release and CCP stated that major rollouts are serious head****. Their approach is progressive rollouts. From a developers POV, that's is the SAFEST way to do it. And given the crap they get for a few bugs here and there, it makes even more sense.


Lol. They are not even capable anymore of releasing big mayor content expansions. Just goggle upon your 1 quarter with no gameplay whatsoever and removed functionality.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.07 15:54:00 - [14]
 

The good news...



































































































Three more left turns and they are back on track.

Very Happy


Slade

Tirane Merkator
Posted - 2011.09.07 16:04:00 - [15]
 

it's about internet ships and not barbies... yeah you're right, so don't play with your barby and get into your freaking ship. it is still there... Shocked

seriously. i don't need the nex shop eather, but how did it make you soooo butthurt????


 

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