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Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.06 03:26:00 - [1]
 

OK, up front, I am a carebear.

Done my time in 0.0 as part of NC.
Two tours of duty in wormholes.

But still a carebear. Came back to high sec for a breather.
I suck at PvP, too many clicks for someone as keyboard-challenged as I.

I know the only way I am going to get better at PvP is jumping in and doing it a lot more than I have. No more running in logistics squads against the russians.

I have friends in a couple corps encouraging me to hook up with them and pew pew. But given that I am going to lose a lot of clones since I suck so much at PvP, this is where I have an issue.

Even though I plan on flying with an implantless clone, it is going to cost me more for a new med clone than it does to replace a ship. Does that seem reasonable?

I recognize the concept of ISK sinks in the game, but does getting podded have to hurt the pocketbook so much?

I don't know if many others feel that way, but there must be a ton of 2004, 2005, 2006 chars that must wince when they undock (I am 2008). It is one thing to say "don't fly what you can't afford to lose", but your clone is something that you have no choice over.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.06 03:30:00 - [2]
 

I 100% support the prices being reviewed.

Does anyone have a list handy of the prices for say 75m and up clone prices?

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.09.06 03:35:00 - [3]
 

dont get podded.

yeah, it sounds like a troll, but seriously, don't get podded.

the ONLY time you should ever die in a pod in space is if you are in a bubble.
otherwise you screwed up.

I go through a lot more ships than pods, if you are going to die in a ship that you can fly, you know full well when its too late, and thats usually a good bit before you pop. you should be setting up your escape before you pop.

proper escape tactics won't save you every time, but they'll save you most of the time. YARRRR!!

Dinsdale Pirannha
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.06 03:45:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: daddys helper
dont get podded.

yeah, it sounds like a troll, but seriously, don't get podded.

the ONLY time you should ever die in a pod in space is if you are in a bubble.
otherwise you screwed up.

I go through a lot more ships than pods, if you are going to die in a ship that you can fly, you know full well when its too late, and thats usually a good bit before you pop. you should be setting up your escape before you pop.

proper escape tactics won't save you every time, but they'll save you most of the time. YARRRR!!


2 things:

1. I do have the pod-saver overviews set up, have an excellent concept of when I am toast, and yet I still lose a ton of pods (hence the part about me sucking at PvP).

2. Like you mentioned right off, the bubble thing. In 0.0 and wh's I got nailed in a ton of bubbles. They are everywhere. They are completely expected and accepted, but that does not change the fact that when I lose a ship in null, I am VERY likely facing an expensive medclone loss.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.06 05:25:00 - [5]
 

The high end prices are absurd.

Its no easier to make isk with 100 mill SP than it is with 25 mill SP.

Katrina Oniseki
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.09.06 05:30:00 - [6]
 

Does anyone know what type of mathemetic formula the game uses to assign a price to a clone grade? Or is it arbitrarily set by devs?

Mallak Azaria
Three 6 MaFiA
KRYSIS.
Posted - 2011.09.06 05:30:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha
OK, up front, I am a carebear.

Done my time in 0.0 as part of NC.
Two tours of duty in wormholes.

But still a carebear. Came back to high sec for a breather.
I suck at PvP, too many clicks for someone as keyboard-challenged as I.

I know the only way I am going to get better at PvP is jumping in and doing it a lot more than I have. No more running in logistics squads against the russians.

I have friends in a couple corps encouraging me to hook up with them and pew pew. But given that I am going to lose a lot of clones since I suck so much at PvP, this is where I have an issue.

Even though I plan on flying with an implantless clone, it is going to cost me more for a new med clone than it does to replace a ship. Does that seem reasonable?

I recognize the concept of ISK sinks in the game, but does getting podded have to hurt the pocketbook so much?

I don't know if many others feel that way, but there must be a ton of 2004, 2005, 2006 chars that must wince when they undock (I am 2008). It is one thing to say "don't fly what you can't afford to lose", but your clone is something that you have no choice over.



"Please lower the cost of medical clones, because making isk is really hard in this game"

That's all I saw.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.09.06 05:49:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Does anyone have a list handy of the prices for say 75m and up clone prices?
Clone Grade Omega   - Skill Points Kept 450m    - 150m ISK
Clone Grade Psi - Skill Points Kept 343.5m - 120m ISK
Clone Grade Chi - Skill Points Kept 264m - 90m ISK
Clone Grade Phi - Skill Points Kept 203m - 65m ISK
Clone Grade Upsilon - Skill Points Kept 156m - 45m ISK
Clone Grade Tau - Skill Points Kept 120m - 30m ISK
Clone Grade Sigma - Skill Points Kept 92.5m - 20m ISK
Clone Grade Rho - Skill Points Kept 71m - 13m ISK
Clone Grade Pi - Skill Points Kept 54.6m - 7.8m ISK
Clone Grade Omicron - Skill Points Kept 42.2m - 4.7m ISK
Clone Grade Xi - Skill Points Kept 32.8m - 2.99m ISK
Clone Grade Nu - Skill Points Kept 25.6m - 1.98m ISK
Clone Grade Lambda - Skill Points Kept 15.7m - 0.93m ISK
Clone Grade Kappa - Skill Points Kept 12.4m - 0.65m ISK
Clone Grade Iota - Skill Points Kept 9.8m - 0.47m ISK
Clone Grade Theta - Skill Points Kept 7.75m - 0.335m ISK
Clone Grade Eta - Skill Points Kept 6.1m - 0.25m ISK
Clone Grade Zeta - Skill Points Kept 4.8m - 0.18m ISK
Clone Grade Epsilon - Skill Points Kept 3.75m - 0.13m ISK
Clone Grade Delta - Skill Points Kept 2.8m - 0.095m ISK
Clone Grade Gamma - Skill Points Kept 2.05m - 0.065m ISK
Clone Grade Beta - Skill Points Kept 1.38m - 0.040m ISK
Clone Grade Alpha - Skill Points Kept 0.9m - FREE

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:44:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Ciar Meara on 06/09/2011 07:44:04
That's the price of a high end frigate, If anything they should raise prices.

Get more rich.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:44:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha
...
I recognize the concept of ISK sinks in the game, but does getting podded have to hurt the pocketbook so much?

I don't know if many others feel that way, but there must be a ton of 2004, 2005, 2006 chars that must wince when they undock (I am 2008). It is one thing to say "don't fly what you can't afford to lose", but your clone is something that you have no choice over.



it has to hurt at some level. and if it's raised, then it would eventually start to hurt again. and you do have a choice for your clone. simply stop training, and cost of your loss will stop increasing.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:47:00 - [11]
 

Many of us use combat alts that have fewer skill points than our mains :)

If you've not used all your character slots you can make an alt on one halt main training and have a decent combat toon with about a month of time invested.


AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:49:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jagga Spikes

simply stop training, and cost of your loss will stop increasing.


Nice trolling.

Perhaps a better idea would be to have an insurance period on the clone, ie lose it within 2 weeks and it's only half price.

You shouldn't be repeatedly punished for actively participating in PVP.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:55:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
Edited by: Ciar Meara on 06/09/2011 07:44:04
That's the price of a high end frigate, If anything they should raise prices.

Get more rich.


Grind moar, right?

enterprisePSI
Unimatrix 0.1
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:00:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
Edited by: Ciar Meara on 06/09/2011 07:44:04
That's the price of a high end frigate, If anything they should raise prices.

Get more rich.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:04:00 - [15]
 

Seriusly, I don't think clone prices are too high.

Also, the game needs isk sinks.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:04:00 - [16]
 

Practice with 900k Alts - it's fine for a lot of stuffWink

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:28:00 - [17]
 

Can anyone that pvp's actively in 0.0 say how often they would replace their clone?

I think the issue is now, alot of people are reaching the higher clones, and the prices have never changed. It's fine to have 30m isk clones when the only people using them were the Skill training online bunch, but now more and more general pvpers are getting up above 75m sp, and if your losing 3 clones a week in active pvp (this might be way over, i'm not sure?), having to dedicate the cost of a BC each time just to protect your sp that you've earnt over time is a bit rich, in my opinion only).

Perhaps the fact that not a large amount of noise is being made about it says that it isn't a large issue for the people with say >90m sp, but I think it might be in the future as more and more reach the higher caps.

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:32:00 - [18]
 

Quote:
You shouldn't be repeatedly punished for actively participating in PVP.



Isn't it you that keeps saying "Eve has consequences" when a Carebear says he loses a Hulk or an Indy?

Isn't it you that says "if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it"?

Aww shucks.

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:34:00 - [19]
 

Quote:
Can anyone that pvp's actively in 0.0 say how often they would replace their clone?


Death cloning is a common and std practise. Used to lose 1 or 2 a day sometimes - even on small roams.

Besides, 75m+ SP pilots don't "normally" get podded. If they do, they shoulda stayed outta character bazaar.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:38:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Can anyone that pvp's actively in 0.0 say how often they would replace their clone?




Once a week if I am unlucky. Most of the time I lose one or two a month. It takes me 15 minutes to make the isk to cover my 7.8 mil clone cost.

I don't see the problem here...

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:51:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Quote:
Can anyone that pvp's actively in 0.0 say how often they would replace their clone?


Death cloning is a common and std practise. Used to lose 1 or 2 a day sometimes - even on small roams.

Besides, 75m+ SP pilots don't "normally" get podded. If they do, they shoulda stayed outta character bazaar.


ugh


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:34:00 - [22]
 

Yes, it's true. Beyond 150M SP, the clone costs go a bit bonkers. From what I understand, those grades didn't even exist in the beginning and when they were added as people started to push the boundaries, they didn't think that hard about the pricing.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:01:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul

You shouldn't be repeatedly punished for actively participating in PVP.


You aren't. You're only punished for losing.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:12:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Yes, it's true. Beyond 150M SP, the clone costs go a bit bonkers. From what I understand, those grades didn't even exist in the beginning and when they were added as people started to push the boundaries, they didn't think that hard about the pricing.


actually, from table presented, past 150 mil SP cost is linear. up to that point, on average, each 33% increase of SP has 50% increase in ISK cost.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:17:00 - [25]
 

Peasants.

Amsterdam Conversations
Posted - 2011.09.06 13:05:00 - [26]
 

If you get podded everytime you PVP, you shouldn't be flying a 70m SP char. Not even a 20m SP char to be perfectly honest.

Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.06 13:21:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: daddys helper
dont get podded.

yeah, it sounds like a troll, but seriously, don't get podded.

the ONLY time you should ever die in a pod in space is if you are in a bubble.


There's a ****load of bubbles out there.

Maybe a better idea is to limit the amount of bubbles which can be used.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.06 13:24:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Amsterdam Conversations
If you get podded everytime you PVP, you shouldn't be flying a 70m SP char. Not even a 20m SP char to be perfectly honest.


Nobody is saying every single time, but it obviously does happen. Bubbles get dropped, I heard there was a bug recently of pods not warping off properly. Lag in big fights (sometimes your dead and don't even know you've been shot at).

If you have anything over 92m SP your looking at 30m for each med clone. Even twice a week is still 60mill you have to pay just for clones.

As I said, in my opinion maybe some kind of frequent "dier" deal could be set up :P, so the cost is reduced if you lose your clone over a week or fortnight period. But it seems like alot of people are happy for the price to be high, so no dramas.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.06 13:52:00 - [29]
 

I have 150M SP, and I don't have a problem with the cost of clones.

Dying is meant to hurt.

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.09.06 14:13:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: daddys helper
dont get podded.

yeah, it sounds like a troll, but seriously, don't get podded.

the ONLY time you should ever die in a pod in space is if you are in a bubble.


There's a ****load of bubbles out there.

Maybe a better idea is to limit the amount of bubbles which can be used.


or don't warp to zero like a moron
When I said bubbles, I should have added the qualifier of "bubbles on entry gates."
of course many gates are bubbled in null (many are not), but honestly you are doing it wrong if you manage to fly into each and every one.

ffs, if you are going to spend time in dangerous places, set up perches and safes then the only bubble you need to worry about is the one on the other side of the gate


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