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MasterEnt
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:38:00 - [1]
 

Hand One - EVE is ahead of the curve
"EVE is super unique, we do things no one else does in the industry, People say we should do 'this,' we do 'that' and make it win."

Hand Two - MT
"Everyone else is doing it."


So which one is it CCP?

Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr
Iure Divino
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:45:00 - [2]
 

BOTH!!!

CCP is just that good, don't you know? Rolling Eyes

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:02:00 - [3]
 

I am still confused as to why MT is such a bad thing? here's how I see it.

1) The NeX store stocks only clothing/vanity accessories. No game breaking items will be sold (unlike OTHER MMO's).
2) You can spend RL money on PLEX, and use it for ISK conversion ingame.
3) You can spend RL money on PLEX, convert said PLEX for AUR and buy items in the NeX store.
4) You can even buy said items with AUR and put back on market for ISK.

All optional.

Why all the rage and moaning about it.... incessantly.

What have I missed?

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:12:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
I am still confused as to why MT is such a bad thing? here's how I see it.

1) The NeX store stocks only clothing/vanity accessories. No game breaking items will be sold (unlike OTHER MMO's).
2) You can spend RL money on PLEX, and use it for ISK conversion ingame.
3) You can spend RL money on PLEX, convert said PLEX for AUR and buy items in the NeX store.
4) You can even buy said items with AUR and put back on market for ISK.

All optional.

Why all the rage and moaning about it.... incessantly.

What have I missed?

Because of the principle of it. If your selling vanity, it's only a short step before your selling an advantage. And in EVE, said advantage would bypass the player market in a way that PLEX doesn't, and that's the fear. CCP has also done an uninspiring job convincing a lot of people they aren't considering this (Ex: Navy Scorpion)

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:23:00 - [5]
 

Quote:
it's only a short step before your selling an advantage


But haven't CCP stated categorically that no ADVANTAGE items would sell? Seriously, I've seen the "gold ammo" rumours ad infinitum, all baseless.

CCP needs to keep the RL coin coming in or they cannot continue to develop the game, As you know, many players now sub using PLEX which is lost income to CCP. They've gotta get it from somewhere. I mean, they could reduce player income and force more RL money subbing but that would open yet another Pandora's Box.

Regardless, CCP are not idiots (despite the "experts" thinking otherwsie). Introduction of game breaking items to derive RL income would kill the game. I know it, they know it.

So why all the "fear" about something that will not happen?


Ildryn
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:43:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Quote:
it's only a short step before your selling an advantage


"many players now sub using PLEX which is lost income to CCP. They've gotta get it from somewhere."



You can't really be that stupid...

If they sub using plex then someone already bought that plex with real money.
Please don't breed.

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:49:00 - [7]
 

Quote:
You can't really be that stupid...


I am. I keep forgetting that simple fact.

Quote:
Please don't breed.


Too late. I have the next generation of Eve players asleep in the next room. Sorry mate. I know that's ruined your day.




Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.09.06 02:26:00 - [8]
 

Quote:
1) The NeX store stocks only clothing/vanity accessories. No game breaking items will be sold (unlike OTHER MMO's).

They were planning on adding game breaking items, they probably still are trying to figure out a way of doing it. So the rage is in part preemptive. However the NeX store hurt's gameplay because instead of, for example, adding blueprints, rare drops, missions, etc to obtain these vanity items you just give CCP money and they pop into existence.

That's not fun, it displaces what gameplay might have been there instead. Not to mention the damage to immersion.

Quote:
2) You can spend RL money on PLEX, and use it for ISK conversion ingame.

Not directly. You can sell PLEX on the market to other players, it doesn't create ISK. It doesn't pop anything into existence by just paying money. It doesn't displace any gameplay. I would actually support a means of converting plex to cash, CCP could simply take a tax on the transaction. Diablo 3 is going to be doing just that, I think it would be a much more Eve-like way of handling it.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.09.06 02:52:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
I am still confused as to why MT is such a bad thing? here's how I see it.

1) The NeX store stocks only clothing/vanity accessories. No game breaking items will be sold (unlike OTHER MMO's).
2) You can spend RL money on PLEX, and use it for ISK conversion ingame.
3) You can spend RL money on PLEX, convert said PLEX for AUR and buy items in the NeX store.
4) You can even buy said items with AUR and put back on market for ISK.

All optional.

Why all the rage and moaning about it.... incessantly.

What have I missed?


Cerebral Booster - 100,000 AUR
thats the problem


 

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