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Hevymetal
Caldari
POT Corp
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:05:00 - [1]
 

The layout, font size, column width and default color schema make the new forums almost totally unusable. The background pic is a COMPLETE waste of bandwidth.

What the heck is going on there in Iceland other then massive alcohol and drug ingestion?

Don't know why I would have thought otherwise. Did the same person who was in charge of bug elimination and testing of the latest patch (offline modules) also do the forums?

I really hope that changes are made that will allow handicapped people to use the forums and not isolate us even further. The existing forums are very tolerable, why not allow us to keep the existing format? Not everyone runs in uber high resolution and has 20/20 eyesight.

CCP wonders why they are the laughing stock of the MMO world and are losing customers like rats off a sinking ship. This is one of WAY too many blunders in recent months to even list or count.

To be blunt and concise CCP needs to get their head out of the bankers ass and focus on releasing QUALITY expansions/features that have at least passed a 2nd grade assessment and testing. DON'T let mismanagement and delusions of incompetent employees prevent you from focusing on you roots (The Playerbase).

If your not even going to listen to our suggestions then don't bother insulting us by asking for them.

Hevy






AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:17:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Hevymetal
Good points


Alas mate, the forums are just as bad for those with good eyesight....

Perhaps put this in the forums issues thread though, A Dev would probably be interested to hear how the forums look to people with differing eyesight.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:11:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Hevymetal
The layout, font size, column width and default color schema make the new forums almost totally unusable. The background pic is a COMPLETE waste of bandwidth.

What the heck is going on there in Iceland other then massive alcohol and drug ingestion?

Don't know why I would have thought otherwise. Did the same person who was in charge of bug elimination and testing of the latest patch (offline modules) also do the forums?

I really hope that changes are made that will allow handicapped people to use the forums and not isolate us even further. The existing forums are very tolerable, why not allow us to keep the existing format? Not everyone runs in uber high resolution and has 20/20 eyesight.

CCP wonders why they are the laughing stock of the MMO world and are losing customers like rats off a sinking ship. This is one of WAY too many blunders in recent months to even list or count.

To be blunt and concise CCP needs to get their head out of the bankers ass and focus on releasing QUALITY expansions/features that have at least passed a 2nd grade assessment and testing. DON'T let mismanagement and delusions of incompetent employees prevent you from focusing on you roots (The Playerbase).

If your not even going to listen to our suggestions then don't bother insulting us by asking for them.

Hevy








They did ask. Lots of us, including myself, said that these forums hurt our eyes.

Your sense of entitlement is sickening, BTW.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:19:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Hevymetal
stuff








yes

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:36:00 - [5]
 

im easily pleased and i say the new forums suck too.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:43:00 - [6]
 

I have perfect eyesight but the new forums make me think I'm visually impaired.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:45:00 - [7]
 

The forums are only for a vocal minority and for the devs apparently, no one else was ever really interested in 'new forums', most folks would much rather have parts of the game finished and new ships to fly and shoot at along with new mods etc.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:46:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Signal11th
I have perfect eyesight but the new forums make me think I'm visually impaired.


Also they presume things like, "people use cache" hence the large loading time. Most people I know have their cache flushed every time they close their browser.

They have been testing and "asking feedback" for months, but nothing has changed.

Now they aren't even able to launch them.

Trolls Troll
Posted - 2011.09.06 07:52:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones


Your sense of entitlement is sickening, BTW.



And your inflated sense of e-importance is rather amusing.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:44:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Myfanwy Heimdal on 06/09/2011 08:44:36
I have to agree with the OP here; my aging eyesight, mostly due to my being in my sixth decade on this mortal coil, isn't as good as it used to be.

With the current set of forums I am able to set my own font zize and I am happy.


Now, these current forums aren't perfect but all that is needed to make them almost so are:

1. Not to time us out if we're not clicking around for more than five minutes.
2. That our settings are remembered.

That's all.

FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:55:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: FluffyDice on 06/09/2011 08:56:04
While not being the most amazing thing ive ever seen i actually don't mind the look of the new forums. I am very pleased to see that there are some decent search features too.

In regards to the background picture Im not a computer scientist but I think those get pulled from a cache after the first time you load it so I dont know how thats a complete waste of bandwidth.

No offence to the handicapped but I think there needs to be a line drawn somewhere on your demands. It would be great if there were options for the vision impaired but throwing a tantrum over it and bad mouthing the company makes you look like a brat. If you cant see the forums your probably not missing out on that much anyway. If you really want to be a part of all the complaining and e-peen measuring invest in some 3rd party software or realise that life isn't fair.

Oh yeah the the offlining modules thing? Welcome to what its been like pulling ships out of a POS hanger since as long as i can remember.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Hevymetal
Post....


They did ask. Lots of us, including myself, said that these forums hurt our eyes.

Your sense of entitlement is sickening, BTW.
Yea you're right, we should exclude a part of our player base by not including options in the new forums. Options which seem standard in many forums these days, but I guess the coding would be way too difficult.

Kaomond
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:12:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Kaomond on 06/09/2011 09:19:19
I'm visualy impaired as will, i have stygma (sp?) in my eyes causing my focus to be stretched on the horizontal plain, and to be really honest, i don't find the new forums any less usable than the old ones, infact i can see them slightly clearer than these.

I have always hated these forums because the font is so small and the contrast between the white text and the very light grey background makes it hard to see.

With the new forums the background is slightly darker and the font slightly larger which makes it much easier for me to read.

For me the only thing they could improve is the size of the font, just make it a little larger, and maybe use a white font instead of the off-white they're using now.

As to the background picture, 1) most browsers would have cached that the first time you loaded so it's not using hardly any bandwidth, a picture signature would use as much, 2) I don't notice backgrounds after a while, on my own forum i tend to change the forum once a month because after a while of seeing the same thing it kinds of "dissapears" for me, so i'm not really bothered about the background.

Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:14:00 - [14]
 

Don't worry. You'll be able to buy a new colour scheme for the forums in the NeX for only 5999 AUR/month.

If you don't like it then I can always send you a print-out of the door for you to stick on your screen.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:16:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: FluffyDice

No offence to the handicapped but I think there needs to be a line drawn somewhere on your demands. It would be great if there were options for the vision impaired but throwing a tantrum over it and bad mouthing the company makes you look like a brat. If you cant see the forums your probably not missing out on that much anyway. If you really want to be a part of all the complaining and e-peen measuring invest in some 3rd party software or realise that life isn't fair.




Sorry, FluffyDice, that was offensive particularly the last four words.

All that folk are asking is that the font zize can be altered by the user as per these forums.

Oh, do consider one thing; you won't have 20/20 vision for ever. I had great eyesight until about nine months ago and like everyone else my age they started to deteriorate. So unless you are planning to expire just before your fiftieth then you should expect this to happen to you too.

No offence? Yoru posting was chock full of it.

FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:28:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Originally by: FluffyDice

No offence to the handicapped but I think there needs to be a line drawn somewhere on your demands. It would be great if there were options for the vision impaired but throwing a tantrum over it and bad mouthing the company makes you look like a brat. If you cant see the forums your probably not missing out on that much anyway. If you really want to be a part of all the complaining and e-peen measuring invest in some 3rd party software or realise that life isn't fair.




Sorry, FluffyDice, that was offensive particularly the last four words.

All that folk are asking is that the font zize can be altered by the user as per these forums.

Oh, do consider one thing; you won't have 20/20 vision for ever. I had great eyesight until about nine months ago and like everyone else my age they started to deteriorate. So unless you are planning to expire just before your fiftieth then you should expect this to happen to you too.

No offence? Yoru posting was chock full of it.


Personally I dont have perfect vision and sometimes colours all look the same to me. I dont demand and insult the company of games that refuse to cater to this. I fail to see how zooming in your browser or using third party magnifaction software is too hard.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:46:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 06/09/2011 10:10:29
Originally by: FluffyDice
I fail to see how zooming in your browser or using third party magnifaction software is too hard.
In part because it shouldn't be needed — it's trivial to make those things user settings so they can adjust things according to their needs. Hell, even these crummy old forums support that (then again, these forums support a lot of things that the new ones don't).

In addition, because the new forums are so poorly designed that they don't really respond well to outside changes. They're not dynamic enough to simply allow for a size increase, and zooming in through the use of magnification has a tendency to just make things either blurry or pixellated (neither of which really improves the readability).

It's not that it's too hard — it's that it shouldn't be needed with modern forum software, and that it's a result of CCP once again reducing functionality in favour of bling.

edit: unwanted visits from department of redundancy department are not wanted

FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:00:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: FluffyDice on 06/09/2011 10:00:33
Originally by: Tippia
words


Ok I will agree with most of this. I agree that these options and facilities should exist for those who are vision impaired. I do however beleive that these features shouldn't be someones god given right in regards to a forum about a game. Also that a company's employees shouldn't be slandered because of this.

Regardless I hope somebody like Chribba will create some kind of mirror of the site or a third party tool if CCP fails to pick it up.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:02:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: FluffyDice
I dont demand and insult the company of games that refuse to cater to this.


Insult?

An interesting accusation there. Show me in any one of my messages, if you would be so kind, as to where I have insulted CCP.

FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:11:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Originally by: FluffyDice
I dont demand and insult the company of games that refuse to cater to this.


Insult?

An interesting accusation there. Show me in any one of my messages, if you would be so kind, as to where I have insulted CCP.


My apologies that was directed at the OP and his comments such as:

"What the heck is going on there in Iceland other then massive alcohol and drug ingestion?"


gfldex
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:32:00 - [21]
 

Stoping whining and fix it yourself.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:37:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: gfldex
Stoping whining and fix it yourself.
…only further proving that it's broken.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.09.06 11:23:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: FluffyDice
Edited by: FluffyDice on 06/09/2011 10:00:33
Originally by: Tippia
words


Ok I will agree with most of this. I agree that these options and facilities should exist for those who are vision impaired. I do however beleive that these features shouldn't be someones god given right in regards to a forum about a game. Also that a company's employees shouldn't be slandered because of this.

Regardless I hope somebody like Chribba will create some kind of mirror of the site or a third party tool if CCP fails to pick it up.
Like... EVE-Search? Laughing

FluffyDice
StarFckers Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.06 12:25:00 - [24]
 

Eve-Search was exactly what i was getting at Im just not familiar with the ins and out of how that all works and its compatiblity with the new setup.

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.09.06 12:36:00 - [25]
 

only good thing on new forum is that cookies are working.
never worked on these one, always had to relog every 15mn...

well on the other hand, as news forums are linked to eve gate, if you want to check mails or so on another char, you'll lose your forums char on the way...

Scorpionidae
Posted - 2011.09.06 12:47:00 - [26]
 

+1 can't you see we don't want them CCP?

Scorpionidae [:cry:

Walextheone
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.06 12:53:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Scorpionidae
+1 can't you see we don't want them CCP?

Scorpionidae [:cry:


There is no "we"


 

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