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Sir Ibex
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:02:00 - [1]
 

^topic


Cause seriously.. This would be the last drop...

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:05:00 - [2]
 

No.

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:08:00 - [3]
 

People seem ready to believe practically anything these days.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:12:00 - [4]
 

Well let's startvwith the *facts*:

- mining sucks
- people that mine do it for profit
- 0.0 is far more lucrative
- there are serious game breaking bugs to deal with
- there are serious overly powered ships with no counter other than you bringing more of them to the fight to balance
- sov grind is an actualy labor, no fun to be found at any point along that line
- people are moaning their lost flat world sanctum whoring ability

And now, ice is up for removal from high sec?

The fact this even made it onto even a trolls to do list is amazing. There are far bigger fish to fry!

Jackson Brown
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:16:00 - [5]
 

Yes, it is true, and supercarriers and titans will be nerfed to uselessness.

Sir Ibex
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:28:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Spurty
Well let's startvwith the *facts*:

- mining sucks
- people that mine do it for profit
- 0.0 is far more lucrative
- there are serious game breaking bugs to deal with
- there are serious overly powered ships with no counter other than you bringing more of them to the fight to balance
- sov grind is an actualy labor, no fun to be found at any point along that line
- people are moaning their lost flat world sanctum whoring ability

And now, ice is up for removal from high sec?

The fact this even made it onto even a trolls to do list is amazing. There are far bigger fish to fry!



I'm not trollin' - a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.

I understand why some people would like ICE removed from empire, but this would be a huge mistake do do something like this now, when already so many people left due to overly draconian changes that were employed in resent years. Let's not forget the people who mine ice simply for pure profit while watching a nice movie, and dont care for POSs, fuel, PvP, politics or any of that stuff. I see nothing wrong with this.

Digital Gaidin
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:32:00 - [7]
 

Ice miners directly affect the prices of Nullsec warfare, and we should hold off on removing the Ice from empire because people want to watch a movie while they play EVE and afk-mine in near-absolute safety?

Yea... going to need a better argument than that to convince many of us who feel that Ice should never have been in empire to begin with... Rolling Eyes

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:34:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Sir Ibex
a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.
It's not.

What it is is people suffering from highsec persecution complex who dream up nerfs that are supposed to happen to them based on a failure to read very simple language.

The fact is this: as part of their 5-year nullsec development plan, CCP are discussing an idea that nullsec should be the sole source of at least some of the types of ice in the game. So it is not “very soon” and it is not “all ice” anyway.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:39:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Sir Ibex

a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.


You and your friend are both idiots. 30 seconds would have found the answer.

Reading the official Devblog states this:

Originally by: Devblog
long term



Originally by: Devblog
why we're saying "more than five years"



Originally by: Devblog
THIS WILL ALL TAKE A LONG-ASS TIME TO HAPPEN



Originally by: Devblog
Some of it will be changed or dropped before it ever gets implemented. Some of it will never happen



Originally by: Devblog
This is a roadmap, not a production schedule.



and finally to reiterate:

Originally by: Devblog
Some of it will never happen


Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:55:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Sir Ibex

a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.


You and your friend are both idiots. 30 seconds would have found the answer.

Reading the official Devblog states this:

Originally by: Devblog
long term



Originally by: Devblog
why we're saying "more than five years"



Originally by: Devblog
THIS WILL ALL TAKE A LONG-ASS TIME TO HAPPEN



Originally by: Devblog
Some of it will be changed or dropped before it ever gets implemented. Some of it will never happen



Originally by: Devblog
This is a roadmap, not a production schedule.



and finally to reiterate:

Originally by: Devblog
Some of it will never happen




In short: the OP was right about the rumor of ice being removed from highsec. Way I read the devblog, is that it's likely going to happen, far as CCP is concerned, but that they continue monitoring community feedback, and will consider other things, before they make anything final.

So, when met with enough opposition they may well leave ice in highsec, but it's my understanding that CCP itself wants to move it to lowsec/nullsec exlusively.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:06:00 - [11]
 

no instead of ice being unlimmited it will disapeer and regenerate like normal rocks

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:08:00 - [12]
 

Considering CCP's glacial development speed, I can guarantee you that the removal of high sec ice - even if confirmed - will almost surely never happen.

Sadayiel
Caldari
Inner Conflict
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:08:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Sadayiel on 05/09/2011 17:08:42
Originally by: Sir Ibex
Originally by: Spurty
Well let's startvwith the *facts*:

- mining sucks
- people that mine do it for profit
- 0.0 is far more lucrative
- there are serious game breaking bugs to deal with
- there are serious overly powered ships with no counter other than you bringing more of them to the fight to balance
- sov grind is an actualy labor, no fun to be found at any point along that line
- people are moaning their lost flat world sanctum whoring ability

And now, ice is up for removal from high sec?

The fact this even made it onto even a trolls to do list is amazing. There are far bigger fish to fry!



I'm not trollin' - a friend who spends most of his day in EVE every day, told me ice will be removed soon, according to what he heard on IRC and forums. I googled this and found several supporting posts. So I decided to come in and check if any of it is true.

I understand why some people would like ICE removed from empire, but this would be a huge mistake do do something like this now, when already so many people left due to overly draconian changes that were employed in resent years. Let's not forget the people who mine ice simply for pure profit while watching a nice movie, and dont care for POSs, fuel, PvP, politics or any of that stuff. I see nothing wrong with this.


Me neither also it is a fact that EVE has been dying since 2003, there is post around there that prove it!!

Also i kind of remember CCP reducing some Ice areas in hi-sec like 2-3 years ago or even more

CCP Soundwave


C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:16:00 - [14]
 

We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.


Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:33:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tippia
It's not.

What it is is people suffering from highsec persecution complex


Looks like CCP is suffering from it too

Quote:
Sole source of ice and high-end minerals
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game. This ensures that nullsec mining retains a unique value proposition, and guarantees that mining time for these types is priced according the risk and effort involved in nullsec extraction.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:39:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
People seem ready to believe practically anything these days.


$80 monocles tend to adjust ones perspective on whats believable.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:47:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 05/09/2011 17:50:21
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Looks like CCP is suffering from it too
Quote:
Sole source of ice and high-end minerals
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game.

Nice edit there. It's this kind of wilful self-deception and nigh on paranoid altering of facts I refer to as the highsec persecution complex.

Anyway, no, they're not. Let's look at the actual quote, shall we? Rolling Eyes
Quote:
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting (at least some of the) ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game.
So, yes, the notion that all ice will be removed from highsec is something highsec dwellers have dreamed up because they can't read, not something CCP has ever mentioned, much like the supposed removal of L4s that also was never mentioned.

It might be the case that as part of a 5-year plan, they will make sure some types of ice are only available in nullsec. Some — might — in upwards of 5 years. There is no mention whatsoever about removing all highsec ice, and the any reshuffling of other ice that might happen will not happen very soon.

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:48:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Prince Kobol on 05/09/2011 17:55:29
Edited by: Prince Kobol on 05/09/2011 17:52:27
Tippa, as much as I like your posting in the past, your condesening attitude is starting to get old.

The topic about moving ice to null started why back during the Alliance Tourny when it was discussed live.

When it was talked about it was about MOVING all ice to null, something which the panal agreed with.

Yes it was mentioned during the blog regarding the 5 year plan but it was also talked about before then.

At the moment you can not help people being very skeptical about anything CCP say.

Tetragammatron Prime
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:00:00 - [19]
 

How long have we been waiting for some dude to change a couple numbers to nerf the dramiel and increase logistics warp speed? Will be another decade before they even start to make plans for changes to ice distribution.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:00:00 - [20]
 

To be honest Tippia is arguing just to argue.

CCP(even in this very thread) has said that they are considering major changes to ice in the future.
Looking at CCPs recent track record its reasonable for people worry about the worst case serio for any change.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:21:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 05/09/2011 18:24:40
Originally by: Prince Kobol
Tippa, as much as I like your posting in the past, your condesening attitude is starting to get old.
I have grown to old and weary to have patience with self-imposed ignorance, even more so when it's so blatantly obvious that people are inventing **** just to be able to get all worked up about the nonsense they've just invented.
Quote:
The topic about moving ice to null started why back during the Alliance Tourny when it was discussed live.
…and what was said back then isn't particularly relevant when that was just 5-second soundbites compared to the actual design pointers that were then presented.
Quote:
At the moment you can not help people being very skeptical about anything CCP say.
No, but I can be sceptical (and, yes, condescending) towards people who blatantly alter and falsify statements and then claim that it's CCP who said it.
Originally by: Ghoest
To be honest Tippia is arguing just to argue.
Not really. I'm correcting people to provide them with correct information. If they have invented their own information, then yes, I also like to smack them over the head a bit. Neither really counts as arguing.
Quote:
CCP(even in this very thread) has said that they are considering major changes to ice in the future.
Looking at CCPs recent track record its reasonable for people worry about the worst case serio for any change.
…and no-one is arguing that. What I'm saying that the whole “omgz, highsec nerf” is just the product of wilful ignorance or an outright inability to read.

Arte
The Darkness Within
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:21:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
CCP(even in this very thread) has said that they are considering major changes to ice in the future.

You may be right BUT I believe Tippia's post was pointing out that while some may want to assume that the world is about to end, misquoting a Dev does not make your arguement more credible, it makes you look a panic-merchant who's determined to troll in order to spread dissent and concern.

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.

Does not equal
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Sole source of ice and high-end minerals
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game.

That game is called Chinese Whispers - we may have played it when we were young. It's fun, but has no place in here. (though it's here in abunance). There are a great deal many changes which sound good but are never implemented, and rubish changes can fall by the way side too.

To be honest. All this nay-saying is doing my nut in. If they say something we don't like, it's gospel. If they say something that sounds good, we don't believe them. That might be 'CCP's fault', but if you don't believe anything you read unless it's bad, then just stop reading - or you can try and be more objective like adults are supposed to be.

(Now that's condescending! SorryConfused)

Richard Hammond II
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:24:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Arte
or you can try and be more objective like adults are supposed to be.




lol do as i say not as I do
(or say in this case)

Arte
The Darkness Within
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:32:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Richard Hammond II
Originally by: Arte
or you can try and be more objective like adults are supposed to be.




lol do as i say not as I do
(or say in this case)


Hah. My mum always used to beat me with that saying.

It's true, the nay saying has ground me down and it's all I seem to see on the forums nowadays.

That is... worse that it ever used to be. At least in the old days the smack-talk was aimed at each other with a sense of humour, now there's just so much.... malice.Twisted Evil

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:49:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
People seem ready to believe practically anything these days.


Your signature is the personification of that good sir.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:51:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
People seem ready to believe practically anything these days.


$80 monocles tend to adjust ones perspective on whats believable.


Real wisdom is being able to believe anything but knowing what not to.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:05:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.




is this the same as CCP shadows comments on micro transactions?

if so, expect no ice in high sec for the next expansion

Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Dock 94
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:07:00 - [28]
 

Removing ice from hi-sec would mean less industrials to gank. This would indeed be sad.

CCP Soundwave


C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:48:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: CCP Soundwave on 05/09/2011 19:49:19
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.




is this the same as CCP shadows comments on micro transactions?

if so, expect no ice in high sec for the next expansion


No clue, I don't know all Shadows posts by heart. But the tl;dr here is that I'm not touching it for now.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:58:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Edited by: CCP Soundwave on 05/09/2011 19:49:19
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We are still looking into the option of altering the ice distribution in EVE, but it's not planned for any release at this point.




is this the same as CCP shadows comments on micro transactions?

if so, expect no ice in high sec for the next expansion


No clue, I don't know all Shadows posts by heart. But the tl;dr here is that I'm not touching it for now.


lol... even CCP's are like "no comment" hey at least theyre getting smart


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