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Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:12:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Trixie Stardust
There's a depression in the US, not enough jobs to account for population anymore.. Europe is on the verge of dissolution. I just read today Greek bonds are now trading at 50%, 80% yields. Meanwhile Germany is supposedly going to save all of Europe.

The UK is a mess.

Europe is a mess, you don't know it yet but it's going to get worse..

So in view of all that, it's maybe not a good idea to casually quit a job. There are problems, and there are problems. Being angry at "lousy coding" and hating your "good job" for no identifiable reason is one of those problems a lot of people would love to have.

(it's all relative though so I don't mean to knock the OP.. but think about it.. tough times ahead for the world)



Sure, but none of that is exclusive to race. It's an equal opportunity world when it comes to being screwed over.

Jones Bones
Burning Napalm
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:14:00 - [32]
 

"White people problem" = Stressful job.
Problem = I'm starving to death.

Dawson's Creek = "white people problems"
The Wire = Problems

VOUS MAD?

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:27:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Jones Bones
"White people problem" = Stressful job.
Problem = I'm starving to death.

Dawson's Creek = "white people problems"
The Wire = Problems
VOUS MAD?


They ought to put some kind of "Math Captcha" test you have to pass before you can post, such as "what is 1 + 2" or similar. Would cut down on the ignorant trolls.

OP is not suffering from stressful job; by his own description the job isn't half bad at all. OP is suffering from internal issues and should address them by seeking professional assistance. Do try to understand the issue here.


Dalloway Jones
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:33:00 - [34]
 

Go see a doctor or therapist.

I had a similar experience where I suddenly quit a job that to all appearances wasn't really that bad and a year later I had a nervous breakdown.

Kirsi Kirjasto
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:46:00 - [35]
 

CCP alt detected.

Ida Nolol
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:32:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Marchocias

I love the computer science! Thats the good bit.

A big part of why I get so annoyed with bad code, is because its a terrible abuse of a computer.
So I normally make the suggestion that it ought to be heavily refactorred, or better still done properly from the beginning. Invariably we "don't have time for that", so I'm then in a position where I have to write even more terrible code to fit round the stuff thats already there.

Not only is the software I'm writing dull as ditchwater, but it also only serves to make a bunch of rich companies richer at the expense of small independant businessmen. The thought that THAT is what I'm doing kind of gets to me, even though they do pay quite well.




Congratulations, you have an unblinkered outlook on life. I'm a software engineer too (well almost, another year to go), and I understand the bad code thing, but even more I understand the anger at your boss telling you to just bodge it some more. Its not what either of us was trained to do. We were trained to look for efficient solutions and go by specific processes, and your boss is just ignoring that. Its professionally dissatisfying.

I get much the same thing when I look at the world in general.

You'll have to find a way to deal with it though. I deal with it thusly: I don't have to like my job. I'm happy to hate its guts, provided I get paid for it. If my boss wants me to write substandard software, I'll do it, provided he pays me for it.

I'll tell him its wrong, but if he doesn't listen to the professional he has hired, he can do whatever the **** he wants and take his lumps for it later. Maybe I'll even be around to say "I told you so".

Now I'll ask you this: most computer scientists I know have a random, entirely unrelated hobby, like fishing, or raising chickens. Lots of comp sci professionals take up a martial art.

Do you do any of these things, or have a similar replacement?

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.09.06 02:06:00 - [37]
 

You might be the kinda guy that needs to start his own company or at least work with all like minded people.

My roommate (also a CS guy) had this very problem when he started out. Not the greatest team player, and really focuses on the details of bad code or outta date code. Essentially he sees the trees but not the forest. And it drives him bonkers as well because he thinks so sequentially, and thus wants to fix all code when he encounters it.

His old man was the same way, and thus later had to start his own company so he could get things done his way.
Some people dont do well with hierarchical authority, and task driven mentality unless they're at the top being said authority, and giving said orders.

Dray
Caldari
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.09.06 04:47:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Dray on 06/09/2011 04:47:15
10B isk says everyone else in your office wasn't sad to see you go.

I work with a guy who is always angry, always complaining, always p1ssed off about the work he has to do, he claims hes had anger management sessions etc, all I know is this, he has less than f**k all to complain about, if you really are stressing out watch the world news about people who are living in **** street, there's some real f**king issues.

No matter how bad it gets there's always some one worse off.

I'm with Jones Bones on this one.


Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
Posted - 2011.09.06 04:59:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Dray

...always angry, always complaining, always p1ssed off...

f**k all

real f**king issues.

I'm with Jones Bones on this one.



Sounds like you've found something to be angry about yourself bro, on a post in a video game forum bro. Guess you dont have any 'real f**king issues' to worry about either eh bro?

As for the Jones Bones comment, he is an obvious troll with an agenda trying to derail the thread and make a topic about depression into a racial issue. Dont feed the obvious troll.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:15:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Jones Bones
"White people problem" = Stressful job.
Problem = I'm starving to death.

Dawson's Creek = "white people problems"
The Wire = Problems
VOUS MAD?


They ought to put some kind of "Math Captcha" test you have to pass before you can post, such as "what is 1 + 2" or similar. Would cut down on the ignorant trolls.

OP is not suffering from stressful job; by his own description the job isn't half bad at all. OP is suffering from internal issues and should address them by seeking professional assistance. Do try to understand the issue here.




Or, you know, think a bit for himself, some internal reflections. That kinda stuff takes time, but is imensly rewarding.

Seems like OP has already started on it.

Perhaps just up an quiting was rash, I would have done it the formal way and left them witout burning bridges, but if I felt the way OP did, I would have left.

You live once, why waste your life working for something you do not belive in?

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:17:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 06/09/2011 08:18:40
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 06/09/2011 08:18:23
Originally by: Dray
Edited by: Dray on 06/09/2011 04:47:15
10B isk says everyone else in your office wasn't sad to see you go.

I work with a guy who is always angry, always complaining, always p1ssed off about the work he has to do, he claims hes had anger management sessions etc, all I know is this, he has less than f**k all to complain about, if you really are stressing out watch the world news about people who are living in **** street, there's some real f**king issues.

No matter how bad it gets there's always some one worse off.

I'm with Jones Bones on this one.




"People have it worse them me, so I should not complain or seek someting better" is a defeatist idiotic attitude, and is validating all the suffering in the world by its passiveness.

Get a grip, and go seek someting better, always.

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:04:00 - [42]
 

Perhaps you're just coming to the realisation that you can't live a fulfilled life through your work alone. You can't do what you want when you want how you want because you're being paid to do a job that simply doesn't allow you to (no job does).

Go for a long walk in the Autumn rain with the leaves falling down around you, and try to work out what's missing in your life.

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.09.06 12:37:00 - [43]
 

Tune in...soft mellow piano music now.

Originally by: Florio


Go for a long walk in the Autumn rain with the leaves falling down around you, and try to work out what's missing in your life.


Lol that's "the most hippiest" thing I done heard on these here forums.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.06 12:54:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Blacksquirrel


Originally by: Florio


Go for a long walk in the Autumn rain with the leaves falling down around you, and try to work out what's missing in your life.


Lol that's "the most hippiest" thing I done heard on these here forums.


But it is quite effective. I have about a 30min walk to work, and its 90% through a forest path. Walking there in the calm nature is very refreshing, and my mind is free to wander and reflect. 30min is not nearly enough to really reflect, but it is a ncie break from the daily routine however.

While it sounds "hippi", reflection and introspection is a very rewarding thing to do, and it should be done in quiet suroundings to free yourself from other external disturbances.

jason hill
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.09.06 13:41:00 - [45]
 

just do drugs and drink beer ...problem solved Very Happy

EmmaFromMarketing
Posted - 2011.09.07 08:17:00 - [46]
 

@OP

I've been in a similar position as a software engineer and as a poster on the first page said: boredom and burnout - this I think is the most likely explanation.

However, as other posters have said, don't discount a medical reason and have a full checkup and get your eyes tested.

Get your eyes tested - I didn't start wearing glasses until I was in my forties - sitting at a computer screen 8 hours a day reading code and coding - I started to get constant headaches, blurred vision and had great difficulty in concentrating. After alot of mucking around and taking days off here and there I eventually decided to get my eyes tested and it turned out I was going long sighted and needed glasses. The headaches and problems concentrating disappeared as soon as I started wearing glasses.

I also know a coder that had alot of problems with being unable to concentrate - it turned out he had sleep apnea (sp?) and some medical treatment resolved that.

So while I suspect it is most likely burnout I definately wouldn't discount some medical factor and really recommend getting your eyes tested.

HTH

Rashmika Sky
Amarr
R. Sky Escorts
Posted - 2011.09.07 21:39:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Marchocias
Edited by: Marchocias on 05/09/2011 16:37:09
At least developing games you're entertaining people, and presumably the standard of coding needs to be higher. A fair amount of my free time is spent researching computer technology and I do a lot of my own coding at home... assuming I was working on a great game, I don't think I'd have any problem in working long hours, as I'd probably enjoy it a lot more.


I've tested enough games that I can tell you, there is bad code there also. Plenty of other things to frustrate you in the industry as well; think how many games come out in poor shape every year, pushed out early due to budget issues or whatnot. Consider some of the various issues related to working on certain platforms (contractual issues for consoles, rather than the technical issues). From your posts, it seems to me like these kinds of things would bother you greatly.

I'm in the same camp as a few others here; I think you should at least consider working for yourself. Perhaps become an independent game developer - I assume you must have enough money saved up to support yourself while you develop a few simple games, given you've said your job pays quite well. I also assume you must have the skills required to develop a game, or you wouldn't be suggesting that as a career path. As an independent developer, you would be able to ensure your games released in a proper state and were supported as necessary.

I don't think it's a bad thing to provide entertainment, and if you're interested in doing that, and it isn't a poor choice for you, go for it. Of course, being pessimistic, and given your worries of the impact of your current work on society, I feel I should point out that providing cheap, long lasting entertainment like video games to people can be a very effective means of keeping them from accomplishing anything real; then again, perhaps the benefits of the entertainment outweigh that.

-Rash

Mudkest
Adventurers
Matari Visionary Coalition
Posted - 2011.09.07 21:46:00 - [48]
 

@OP, I deffinetly know how you are feeling. I've had jobs that, as you described, paid well, nice co-workers, good hours and commute adn all that, but I just was not happy with. I still look back at those jobs with joy, but also still dont regret quitting.

My current job, I recognice the problem of other peoples sloppyness, though i work as a maintanance engineer. Basicly the problems I come across are, someone breaks a machine, doesnt mention it but just keeps on using it so in the end it is completely busted up and takes 4-6 hours to repair instead of teh 15 mins it would have taken had theye just mentioned it right when theye broken it(and off course I have to hurry and fix it cause theye need to use it .. wich I refuse to do)
Also, apart form that problem, I'm grossly underpaid(a co-worker got another job and his salary went up by 500 euro!, his new boss didnt even bother to haggle about it) work hours just plain suck(one week starting at 5.00 and working on saturday, the other week 14.00-22.00 though saturday off that week) and there's either nothing to do at all, so bored out of your mind, or so much to do and such pressure that you almost have to say "srew you all, Im gonna take my break(wich was 2 hours ago) now and I'll see you in 30 minutes"

so yeah, pretty crappy but I have my reasons to stay for now and in a couple of months I'm gonna look for another job.

Anyway, jsut trying to say, if you dont like your job, look for another one. sometiems it will be better, other tiems it will be total crap but either way you cant really control it. Maybe even consider a whole new carreer path, get out of the software engineer bussiness and work at something completely unrelated for a year or so.

As for the mental issuess, I dont have any medical knowledge so I cant give any advice there other then, if you feel, or even consider that, you might need help, then go see a doctor.

Dravius Luxor
Minmatar
Independent Galactic Network
Posted - 2011.09.08 16:25:00 - [49]
 

If you want my opinion on the subject, I would suggest that you may be suffering from Asperger's Syndrome without knowing it. I think you're asking the Eve Online forums about it because you recognise Eve players as being generally quite intelligent.

I did something similar before my diagnosis (walked out on good job to play computer games), and I'm quite sure that an addiction to Eve Online can be attributed to this disorder...

It's good therapy for me. I also noticed that you mention noise level and number of colleagues in your workspace with a degree of importance, but these are things that most "normal" people either don't notice or don't care about, but drive most aspies insane. I can certainly relate to your "boiling rage" resulting from your inability to deceive yourself into acceptance of your situation. I can't work for anyone, my time is worth more to me than anyone can pay me.

If you're lucky enough to be an aspie, find out what your talents are and then milk them for profit!

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.08 18:57:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Dravius Luxor
If you want my opinion on the subject, I would suggest that you may be suffering from Asperger's Syndrome without knowing it. I think you're asking the Eve Online forums about it because you recognise Eve players as being generally quite intelligent.

I did something similar before my diagnosis (walked out on good job to play computer games), and I'm quite sure that an addiction to Eve Online can be attributed to this disorder...

It's good therapy for me. I also noticed that you mention noise level and number of colleagues in your workspace with a degree of importance, but these are things that most "normal" people either don't notice or don't care about, but drive most aspies insane. I can certainly relate to your "boiling rage" resulting from your inability to deceive yourself into acceptance of your situation. I can't work for anyone, my time is worth more to me than anyone can pay me.

If you're lucky enough to be an aspie, find out what your talents are and then milk them for profit!


Isn't Aspergers more or less a kind of Autism, and really noticable?

Tbh, I think it is too convenient to say someone got that just becuase they hate their job. Because in the end there is more to life then a job.

It is not at all unreasonable to dislike working for 'the man', or to disprove of the current human condition. In fact it is quite healthy to do so. When you realize that in the end all your job is good for is making your company owners money, and they take nigh all of the profit and will go to any lenght possible to pay you less since you are naught but a cog in the machine, and can be easily replaced like any broken part.

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” -Krishnamurti


Of course, when all is said or done, I do not know OP, but my replies is not just directed at OP.

Dravius Luxor
Minmatar
Independent Galactic Network
Posted - 2011.09.08 22:15:00 - [51]
 

I don't know, I'm no expert, I was surprised at my diagnosis but it uncannily explains my life to date. The biggest problem with Asperger's, I've heard many times recently, is explaining what it is to other people. While I don't agree with that, I agree that it is an invisible illness, and most people aren't even capable of understanding how it affects those who live with it.

The OP reads like my year of 2007. Marchocias' experiences as described are nearly exactly my own, particularly his disillusionment and ability to say "F**k it, goodbye" despite knowing he's putting himself at risk and his conscience warning him against it. Sounds like a "does not compute" moment to me, when my selfish need to do what I want, right now, overshadows everything else, no matter how important.

Asperger's has been suggested to be a form of autism, but is as yet not officially classified as an ASD, retaining it's original name. It is not outwardly noticeable at all, unless "being a little odd" is particularly noticeable to some. Everyone is a little odd to me, with their overpowered emotions and dishonest or sly behaviour. Us Aspies are quite emotionally detached, and we hate noise and busy environments. We also despise dishonesty and certain aspects of capitalist society (while being good at manipulating it), because it offends our exaggerated sense of morality.

Obviously not my place to diagnose anyone! Just thought I should chip in to this discussion because of the similarity between the OP's experiences and my own.

Rion Deteisan
Posted - 2011.09.09 10:11:00 - [52]
 

posting in a ccp dev alt thread.


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