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Miyako Komoe
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2011.09.05 11:13:00 - [1]
 

I look at a Stabber and see a possibility to pack it with some autocannons and assault launchers, and have some fun with some passive shield tanking, microwarpdrivin' and speed gankin'.

But, is it worth it? Can I get something better for a lower price?

Merbusent
Posted - 2011.09.05 11:25:00 - [2]
 

I have fond memories being camped into a station by one stabber, that is to say I didn't know about stacking resists properly.. he used a vampire item. used a stabber recently with the same setup and failed against a rifter having to get my corp to bail me out.

I suppose there good just out shined a little.


Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.09.05 11:29:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Merbusent
I have fond memories being camped into a station by one stabber, that is to say I didn't know about stacking resists properly.. he used a vampire item. used a stabber recently with the same setup and failed against a rifter having to get my corp to bail me out.

I suppose there good just out shined a little.




A ship designed to kite and "hit from here" will two shot any rifter or ceptor if flown/fit properly: 220mm T2 vulcans and good ammo, dual prop etc, this ship is awesome. hell even with 425mm cane you can one/two shot those pesky things without tracking mods.

Uppsy Daisy
Caldari
Deteis Industries
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:38:00 - [4]
 

Unless you mean Stabber Fleet Issue, awesome is not a word I would use about this ship.

The rupture is better in pretty much every way (except pure speed).

Could we see this amazing dual-prop frigate killing stabber fitting?

Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:49:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Dorian Tormak on 05/09/2011 19:51:07
Fitted properly a Stabber can beat almost any other cruiser in a straight up 1v1. Awesome is the word I would use for that.

Highs
Dual 180s x4
Medium Neut
Small Neut

Mids
10mn Afterburner
Warp Scrambler
Shield Extender

Lows
Gyro x2
Nano/DCU

Shield rigs.

I have done tests against a couple WT Ruptures shooting at me, and speed tanked them for a good minute, but didn't agress because... well, there was two of em, so I docked up when my shield HP were totally down. The one Rupture I actually fought in lowsec escaped in hull because of ECM drones :(

Also engaged a kiting Stabber (got to 11 km with an overheated scram, but it didn't turn on and he gained range again; but I had turned my guns on thinking he was scrammed), he then had a Rupture warp in and engage me, by which time he was feeling safe so he let me get within scram range, and I got the Stabber into half shields while he and the Ruppy were shooting me, I overheated the AB and scram, and escaped in hull.

Killed a Brutix in it, killed a Thorax. It's a speed tanker with good dps and tracking and decent tank; a mini SFI.

Load Barrage and kite frigates who come after you and watch them melt. Stabber is a pwnmobile TBH.

Uppsy Daisy
Caldari
Deteis Industries
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:05:00 - [6]
 

Sorry, I disagree.

With that fitting you have to fight within 10km or so to warp scramble the target. A properly fit and flown rupture will absolutely murder you at that range.

Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:16:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Dorian Tormak on 05/09/2011 20:17:37
Originally by: Uppsy Daisy
Sorry, I disagree.

With that fitting you have to fight within 10km or so to warp scramble the target. A properly fit and flown rupture will absolutely murder you at that range.


They can't track it with the AB that goes faster than some frigates. Just check it out in the dps graph in eft. Scrammed, a Rupture has no speed or agility and cannot reduce transversal to score any hits. Try it for yourself, you'll see :D The only chance cruisers like Ruppy have is ECM drones, that's about it, or if they are a kiting setup with TEs because I lost it to a Thorax who kited me with neutrons at about 20km.

The thing about that Stabber is even when you are losing, you can easily GTFO with an overheated AB.

Paranon
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:23:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Edited by: Dorian Tormak on 05/09/2011 20:17:37
Originally by: Uppsy Daisy
Sorry, I disagree.

With that fitting you have to fight within 10km or so to warp scramble the target. A properly fit and flown rupture will absolutely murder you at that range.


They can't track it with the AB that goes faster than some frigates. Just check it out in the dps graph in eft. Scrammed, a Rupture has no speed or agility and cannot reduce transversal to score any hits. Try it for yourself, you'll see :D The only chance cruisers like Ruppy have is ECM drones, that's about it, or if they are a kiting setup with TEs because I lost it to a Thorax who kited me with neutrons at about 20km.

The thing about that Stabber is even when you are losing, you can easily GTFO with an overheated AB.



Hahah. Oh dear I spilt tea all over my keyboard at this one.

Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:32:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Dorian Tormak on 05/09/2011 20:36:06
Yeah, just ignore any logic or sense you might have had. "EFT? NOOB!" Quit trying to act like you know jack on the forums.

I don't have a Stabber right now.

I will buy another one soon, if either of you posers feel like testing it out come find me in your 1600/trimark rupture or whatever you kids are using these days YARRRR!!

Experience doesn't lie. EFT DPS graph doesn't either.

Edited because I can.

Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:46:00 - [10]
 

Good day:

While a Stabber can take out a Dramiel -- http://www.triad-eve.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=77696 -- it is an easy ship to fight in a frigate if the Stabber pilot is new to the Stabber.

I would recommend a Rupture for a more stable Minmatar cruiser.

Thank you.

Maz3r Rakum
Gallente
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:51:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Mara Abraham
Good day:

While a Stabber can take out a Dramiel -- http://www.triad-eve.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=77696 -- it is an easy ship to fight in a frigate if the Stabber pilot is new to the Stabber.

I would recommend a Rupture for a more stable Minmatar cruiser.

Thank you.



lol, TRIAD

Rupture is better in ever way except speed. While the stabber can theoretically do some cool things upclose while AB fit, medium ACs just don't track quite well enough when trying to get under another cruisers guns. Stabber Fleet gets an amazing tracking bonus which will allow it to take advantage of its speed up close. However the SFI is much more akin to a Rupture than a Stabber.

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:55:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Maz3r Rakum
Originally by: Mara Abraham
Good day:

While a Stabber can take out a Dramiel -- http://www.triad-eve.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=77696 -- it is an easy ship to fight in a frigate if the Stabber pilot is new to the Stabber.

I would recommend a Rupture for a more stable Minmatar cruiser.

Thank you.



lol, TRIAD

Rupture is better in ever way except speed. While the stabber can theoretically do some cool things upclose while AB fit, medium ACs just don't track quite well enough when trying to get under another cruisers guns. Stabber Fleet gets an amazing tracking bonus which will allow it to take advantage of its speed up close. However the SFI is much more akin to a Rupture than a Stabber.


What about training your gunnery skills after lvl1? -med guns (Ac's)can't track quite well...

Well I've changed from blasters to Ac's and let me tell you that this single comment gave me lols irl.

Uppsy Daisy
Caldari
Deteis Industries
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:29:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Just check it out in the dps graph in eft.


Ok, I have. You are still wrong.

I'll grant you it does look like the stabber will hit for more at very close ranges.

Until you realise that EFT doesn't take into account that the ruptures MWD will be off if it's warp scrambled. When you switch it off manually then look at the graph again, you see the rupture is better.

Plus the 1600mm plated rupture has more than *DOUBLE* the hit points.


ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:41:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Uppsy Daisy
Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Just check it out in the dps graph in eft.


Ok, I have. You are still wrong.

I'll grant you it does look like the stabber will hit for more at very close ranges.

Until you realise that EFT doesn't take into account that the ruptures MWD will be off if it's warp scrambled. When you switch it off manually then look at the graph again, you see the rupture is better.

Plus the 1600mm plated rupture has more than *DOUBLE* the hit points.




just pre-empting here but it not quite that simple.

the main point is that without a mwd the rupture has no way of effecting the transversal of the stabber. ie. it cant pull out of an orbit to reduce the transversal and so hit the stabber.

personally id still use a rupture but out of all other T1 cruisers the stabber is the one id worry about most

Uppsy Daisy
Caldari
Deteis Industries
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:15:00 - [15]
 

It doesn't matter!

The way that EvE combat works, the transversal velocity between two ships is always the same either way around.

A high transversal velocity between the two ships affects BOTH of them.

For example, a ABing stabber orbiting a stationary rupture does not mean a high transversal from the rupture to the stabber (i.e. hard to hit) and a low transversal for the stabber to the rupture (i.e. easy to hit).

It means a high transversal for both ships.

Given the rupture has double-bonused turrets, more EHP and a full flight of drones, it will win unless it does something moronic (like loading barrage for a close range fight).



ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:57:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Uppsy Daisy
It doesn't matter!

The way that EvE combat works, the transversal velocity between two ships is always the same either way around.

A high transversal velocity between the two ships affects BOTH of them.

For example, a ABing stabber orbiting a stationary rupture does not mean a high transversal from the rupture to the stabber (i.e. hard to hit) and a low transversal for the stabber to the rupture (i.e. easy to hit).

It means a high transversal for both ships.

Given the rupture has double-bonused turrets, more EHP and a full flight of drones, it will win unless it does something moronic (like loading barrage for a close range fight).




This is true if the rupture is fit with duel 180's, or at least the same as the stabber, but people have the mentality of fitting the biggest guns possible on a ship (and in this case why not the rupture can easily fit 425's and to great effect). Whilst a stabber pilot is always worry'ing about transversal.

Larton Dretta
Posted - 2011.09.06 17:16:00 - [17]
 

it's a fun ship to fly, but don't expect much from it, better get a Rupture, it's easier to pilot, more forgiving and you can put a massive armor tank on it if you're not going to 0.0, the money doesn't matter when it comes to picking cruisers, it's a t1 hull, 100% insurence return

Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.09.06 20:31:00 - [18]
 

Good day:

Given this topic, and my thoughts of the number of Stabber's I've solo'd in the past (and won), when I came up against a pirate in a Stabber while flying my Taranis, I thought I had an easy win.

Little did I know this pirate was good at using staggered small neuts. While his 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II's didn't hit me before being neuted; as soon as my cap was dry, he was able to get enough range and lower transveral to pop my Taranis with ease.

http://www.factionalwarfare.info/1691/respect-stabbers/ shares the story.

Thank you.

Scorpionidae
Posted - 2011.09.06 22:06:00 - [19]
 

Stabber is a great ship!!!! Very fun!

Scorpionidae Very Happy

Ryuce
My Bonnie Lies over the Ocean
Posted - 2011.09.07 07:14:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Mara Abraham
Good day:

Given this topic, and my thoughts of the number of Stabber's I've solo'd in the past (and won), when I came up against a pirate in a Stabber while flying my Taranis, I thought I had an easy win.

Little did I know this pirate was good at using staggered small neuts. While his 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II's didn't hit me before being neuted; as soon as my cap was dry, he was able to get enough range and lower transveral to pop my Taranis with ease.

http://www.factionalwarfare.info/1691/respect-stabbers/ shares the story.

Thank you.


So a Rupture with two utillity highs and more DPS would be even more effective then?

Mupdadoodidda Bix Nood
Posted - 2011.09.08 18:22:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Ryuce
Originally by: Mara Abraham
Good day:

Given this topic, and my thoughts of the number of Stabber's I've solo'd in the past (and won), when I came up against a pirate in a Stabber while flying my Taranis, I thought I had an easy win.

Little did I know this pirate was good at using staggered small neuts. While his 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II's didn't hit me before being neuted; as soon as my cap was dry, he was able to get enough range and lower transveral to pop my Taranis with ease.

http://www.factionalwarfare.info/1691/respect-stabbers/ shares the story.

Thank you.


So a Rupture with two utillity highs and more DPS would be even more effective then?


No, because he simply would not have engaged that Rupture.

Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.09.09 16:48:00 - [22]
 

Good day:

Mupdadoodidda Bix Nood hits the bulls eye.

If you are out for combat, you want to fly a ship you are comfortable flying in combat and willing to lose.

You want to fly a ship others are willing to engage (unless you can catch them); and look for targets you can fight within your estimated % chance of success while avoiding targets you know you cannot win against.

While I was in Minmatar Faction warfare, it would be common for Mystical Might to fly a Cynabal or Tengu (both highly pimped with faction modules) who would station camp (Auga 3rd or Vard top station), and sometimes roam around literally asking in local for people to 1v1 him.

Extremely few would respond, and Mystical Might (at least in the pats, not sure of the present) would refuse to ship down stating he was only flying a cruiser hull.

But the bottom line, is that flying some ships (no matter how comfortable you are flying them or how little it matters if you lose them) will mean fewer engagements as solo pilots (and sometimes small gangs) will avoid engaging them.

Thank you.


 

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