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Juni Dogo
Posted - 2011.09.05 09:54:00 - [1]
 

Hi,

I am new to eve and i would like to work my way up to lucrative Lev 4 Missions.

But i need to know a few things.

- Since i can only do lev 1 missions, how do i effectively grind to lev-2-3-4 missions? How long does it take to get there?

- What kind of missions should i choose?

-Where do i start? I see agents everywhere, but it confuses me. Sometimes i get to a station only to learn that the agent dosn't know me well enough to give me missions. What am i suppose to do about it?

If i can get some direction on how to work my way up, and run does lev 4's i would really appreciate.

gfldex
Posted - 2011.09.05 10:16:00 - [2]
 

It takes as long as you need to get the skills and ISK to be able to run them. Actually you will be able to talk to them before you got the skills.

Do combat missions until you have a very good reason not to.

There is a little button close to the agents that says "Agent Finder". You want to run missions in a 0.5 system as it gives you the most LP and reward for completion.

Asana Keikira
Posted - 2011.09.05 10:40:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Juni Dogo
- Since i can only do lev 1 missions, how do i effectively grind to lev-2-3-4 missions? How long does it take to get there?

- What kind of missions should i choose?

-Where do i start? I see agents everywhere, but it confuses me. Sometimes i get to a station only to learn that the agent dosn't know me well enough to give me missions. What am i suppose to do about it?




I'm relatively new as well, and, after a couple months of casual playing, I'm able to speak to level 4 agents. Basically, run missions for your level 1 agent, taking note of their specific faction. Once you hit 1.0 standing with that faction, you'll have access to the level 2 agents. Then level 3's at 3.0 and level 4 at 5.0 standing. To find agents you can get missions from, use the Agent Finder. Just set the level of missions you want, make sure that you've got things set to show only available agents, set your other filter options (pretty easy to figure out), and it will show you what agents are available where, where they are located and the security status of the system. The key to getting to the level 4's the fastest is to run missions for agents in the same faction. (For example, I focus on missions for any agent whose corporation has Caldari Navy in the name.)

As already stated, 0.5 systems have slightly tougher missions for that level, with slightly better ISK/LP rewards.

Another thing to keep in mind is that while you may have the ability to run Level 2 missions, you might not have the capability yet. A good rule of thumb: Level 1 - Frigate/Destroyer, Level 2 - Cruiser, Level 3 - Battle Cruiser, Level 4 - Battleship. This isn't to say that you may have the skills to be effective with a frigate in a level 2, but it's not going to be a walk in the park doing it, no matter the fittings or your skills.

If you want to get your standings up really fast, get into a corporation that runs missions, and join up with them for level 4's. The corporation I'm in allows me to come along and participate, and when the mission is concluded, I get a share of the faction standing increases, the mission ISK/LP payouts, and a share of the bounties (which, in the right level 4's, can be quite considerable.)

As for what missions to run, that's pretty much determined by the Division that the Agent is assigned to. Security agents generally give missions where combat is possible, with the occasional courier mission. Distribution is more courier with the rare combat mission.

Hope this helps.

Juni Dogo
Posted - 2011.09.05 11:08:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Juni Dogo on 05/09/2011 11:08:38
ok Thank you. Both of you. I have a clear picture now.

I am already flying a well fitted BC, so i guess i need to grind to lev3's for now. (Been playing for about 2-3 months, but only done ratting and gang pvp untill now).

Thanks for the help.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.09.05 15:13:00 - [5]
 



Players Guide: Missions


One thing to keep in mind - if you do a mission belonging to another player - the standings increase you get will mostly help you with the agent they are using. Thus - you could get to where you could do Level IV missions for that agent but not for another one in the same corporation.


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Asana Keikira
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk


One thing to keep in mind - if you do a mission belonging to another player - the standings increase you get will mostly help you with the agent they are using. Thus - you could get to where you could do Level IV missions for that agent but not for another one in the same corporation.


I thought with the new system that's being used, about the only thing Agent standing is used for is for slight bonuses to payouts, and that the important thing was your standing with the faction that agent is a member of. My character's standing with Caldari Navy is around 5.7, and I have a wide spread of choices in agents across Caldari space, but significantly less with, say, Lai-Dai and Hyasoda (sp?). Also, doesn't nation standing come into play as well? Right now, my Caldari State standing is somewhere around 1.8 or so...Am I correct in thinking that should open up any Level 2 agent within the Caldari State factions?

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:29:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Asana Keikira
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk


One thing to keep in mind - if you do a mission belonging to another player - the standings increase you get will mostly help you with the agent they are using. Thus - you could get to where you could do Level IV missions for that agent but not for another one in the same corporation.


I thought with the new system that's being used, about the only thing Agent standing is used for is for slight bonuses to payouts, and that the important thing was your standing with the faction that agent is a member of. My character's standing with Caldari Navy is around 5.7, and I have a wide spread of choices in agents across Caldari space, but significantly less with, say, Lai-Dai and Hyasoda (sp?). Also, doesn't nation standing come into play as well? Right now, my Caldari State standing is somewhere around 1.8 or so...Am I correct in thinking that should open up any Level 2 agent within the Caldari State factions?



I ... believe ... that most of what you're saying is correct, except about the 1.8 standing getting you access to Level 2 Agents ... I'm not so sure about that.

What I was referring to was the small increases in bonuses you referred to, as coming from the missions a player was running with someone else who actually owned the mission. That is my understanding of that.

In other words - you might well get to where you could run missions with a higher level agent through piggy backing on another players missions - but that wouldn't automatically qualify you to run missions with another agent of the same corporation who was at the same level.

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Grimlock Gumshoe
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:32:00 - [8]
 

Don't forget about the Connections skill. It can help you reach higher level missions sooner or be able to receive missions from a wider variety of agents. A few levels in Connections (Level 3, I believe) can get you straight into level 2 missions.

Also make sure to always do the storyline missions. You get those every 16 missions you run of the same level. These missions help your standing with your faction, which can open up a whole slew of missions.

Remember, to work with an agent, you have to meet their requirement either in your relation to them, their corporation, or your race. You only need 1.0 for level 2 missions, but you need 3.0 for level 3's. If you read the Info on an agent of the appropriate level, it shows what rating you need.

As an example, if you have a 1.0 rating with a particular level 2 agent, you've only opened up that agent. If you get a 1.0 rating with their corporation, you open up every level 2 agent they have. If you get a 1.0 rating with your faction (e.g. Caldari), you basically open up every level 2 agent whose corporation is aligned with the Caldari.

More details (and math) on the wiki:
Standings mechanics

Asana Keikira
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:37:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

I ... believe ... that most of what you're saying is correct, except about the 1.8 standing getting you access to Level 2 Agents ... I'm not so sure about that.




I think I'm actually correct (that would be a switch :) ). Sitting in a Home Guard Logistic Support station right now. HGLS isn't listed in my Corporation Standing Liked By window. Caldari State is 1.79, and there are two level 2 agents available to me here. So, it does look like, per Agent, you gain access using the better of either the Nation faction or Corp faction for that agent. That could be useful to jump start working for a new faction in the same nation area.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.09.06 08:28:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Asana Keikira
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk

I ... believe ... that most of what you're saying is correct, except about the 1.8 standing getting you access to Level 2 Agents ... I'm not so sure about that.




I think I'm actually correct (that would be a switch :) ). Sitting in a Home Guard Logistic Support station right now. HGLS isn't listed in my Corporation Standing Liked By window. Caldari State is 1.79, and there are two level 2 agents available to me here. So, it does look like, per Agent, you gain access using the better of either the Nation faction or Corp faction for that agent. That could be useful to jump start working for a new faction in the same nation area.



Yes - your best standing helps.

If you go to the Agent Info tab for the Agent it should list all your standings with them and give you an indication as to which ones met or didn't meet their standard.

1.8 seemed a little low to me for level two but *shrug* if you can really access them you might well be right. Have you actually tried using the agent? Sometimes - it will tell you that you have access - when you really don't. Usually though, if you log out and log back in - that will fix that. I've mostly had that happen when I was closing in on accessing an agent - I reached the level their Agent Info SAID I needed - but - when I tried to talk to them they wouldn't talk to me. I even ran several more missions so that my standing listing was ABOVE what was needed but they still wouldn't talk to me. I believe relogging was the fix. Of course ... that was some time ago ... so ... I've no idea if that's still an issue.

Of course - as mentioned above - it's the total standings you get based on the addition of your Connections or Diplomacy Skill that counts.

Connections boosts your standings with agents you already have a positive base standing with.

Diplomacy boosts your standings with agents you have a negative base standing with.

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Ulmagod
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:26:00 - [11]
 

Here is a useful resource for finding Agents.

Eve Agents

I was under the impression that you needed a standing of 2.0 for L2 missions, 4.0 for L3 missions and 6.0 for L4 missions, but that may have been modified. It is the best of your standing to the three (Faction, Corp and Agent).

So for examply you may have a standing of 4.0 with Caldari Faction and 2.0 with the Caldari Navy. In that case it will be the Faction standing that will override and you will be able to access all L3 agents of the Caldari faction, including the Caldari Navy. If you grind missions for the Caldari Navy, you will find your standing with that Corp rising a lot faster than with the Caldari Faction (which only increases with every storyline mission) until eventually it will exceed it. Lets say you get Caldari Navy to 6.0 while Caldari faction remains at 4.0. At that point you will be able to access the Caldari Navy L4 Agents (all of them). Meanwhile you will still be able to access every other Caldari Corp L3 Agent, even Corps that you have no direct standing with, due to your Caldari Faction standing.

When soloing only, it is the Corp standing that is important to get to the higher level agents (as it is rare to get your Faction standing high enough to reach all faction L4 agents). In this case the Agent standing is largely irrelevant other than a debateable improvement in the quality and rewards of the missions offered.

If you piggyback with another player who has already grinded that Corp standing. You can run missions with him with an agent that you alone could not work for. Like the way Corp standing rises quicker than faction standing, Agent standing rises quicker than Corp standing. Thus assuming you start with a 0 Corp and Agent standing, it is possible to reach a position where your standing to that Agent is say 6.0 while the standing to his Corp is 4.0. At that point you can go off and solo - you can run L4 missions for that particular Agent only and any L3 Mission for other Agents of his corp. I would argue that piggybacking with another player is not a cost effective use of your time, except perhaps to reach the lower level agents (L2, maybe L3). You should only be doing this primarily for social reasons.

If you are ever able to get a Faction standing to 6.0 (say Caldari), spread yourself around as many Caldari corps as possible. You will instantly be able to access their L4 agents and grind up their Corp standing rapidly. Later if you decide to go to run missions for the Galante faction, as your standing to them increases, your Caldari standing will drop, but you not lose standing with the individual Caldari Corps.

Train Connections and Social for helping your standing grind, to at least 4 in both as a priority, it will pay dividends.

Diplomacy is only useful for reducing your negative standing after you have really screwed things up with a particular faction. It's usefullness is largely limited to stopping unfriendly faction navies shooting at you as soon as you enter their space. But it will help you reach the initial L1 Agent if you decide to switch sides.


 

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