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Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:51:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/09/2011 20:02:06
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Ranger 1
Lets hear more from the ignorant and uninformed.
I gleefully await your next post in that case.

Originally by: Ranger 1
Pot, meet kettle.

It's apparent that you are correct about one thing, you've been out of the loop for a very long time, but you don't let that stop you from talking out of your ass.

1: Every game company uses their assets from ongoing projects to fund new projects.

2: Companies that don't will die, and their games along with them.

3: Development of a graphics engine that will enrich both games is a smart move, which is probably not obvious to people who don't understand that said development must be done incrementally. Those would be the same people that look at the initial framework for Incarna and can't understand that there is more to come.

4: MMO's, by necessity, never stop developing and iterating on content. If a feature were ever "complete", that would be the first step in the long slide into oblivion.

5: People with your business acumen and level of experience in developing online games are ideally suited to a future in fast food management.


1. But not every compnay is financialy sound enough to embark on multiple projects.

2. Patently false. Companies that bail from one game to another to keep the status quo are the ones that tend to die in a fire.

3. Yes of course. 'more to come' This has been a standard of eve development for nearly a decade. Hey guys look at this shiney new content and resub! Now don't be alarmed that said new content is actually just a bare framework with little actual content but hey we promise to flesh it out in time. Really! No! Really we promise!!!!!

4. Even world of warcraft when it introduces new content make sure its feature complete. You never get a new class with only a fraction of its content on launch day. Ever.

5. Lol. Well its a known fact that even the cheesiest fast food franchise makes tons more profit than ccp. Besides I can't remember the last time I ordered fast food and only got one of the items orders with a promise of the rest of the meal being delivered at a later date. Laughing


Very Happy

With each statement you make all you succeed in doing is proving my points. All it takes is for someone to check the validity of each point you made, which is easily done.

Just because you say a thing is so, does not make it so. Check your facts, then come back to us.

Companies that do not expand their offerings, die.

Companies that do not reinvest funds, die.

The "bare framework" you describe has more depth of game play than any other offering on the market.

WOW, or any other RPG, constantly tweaks, changes, and adds to their offerings.

Fast food franchises make money because people a lot smarter than you make the business decisions. Be content with making sure the floor gets mopped.





Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:53:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Very Happy

With each statement you make all you succeed in doing is proving my points. All it takes is for someone to check the validity of each point you made, which is easily done.

Just because you say a thing is so, does not make it so. Check your facts, then come back to us.

Oh really?

[citation needed]

So link some proof or stfu. Very Happy

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:56:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/09/2011 19:56:51
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Ranger 1
Very Happy

With each statement you make all you succeed in doing is proving my points. All it takes is for someone to check the validity of each point you made, which is easily done.

Just because you say a thing is so, does not make it so. Check your facts, then come back to us.

Oh really?

[citation needed]

So link some proof or stfu. Very Happy


You're the one specializing in spewing your version of reality, the burden of proof is on you.

I invite anyone to check for themselves, including yourself.

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:03:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/09/2011 19:56:51
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Ranger 1
Very Happy

With each statement you make all you succeed in doing is proving my points. All it takes is for someone to check the validity of each point you made, which is easily done.

Just because you say a thing is so, does not make it so. Check your facts, then come back to us.

Oh really?

[citation needed]

So link some proof or stfu. Very Happy


You're the one specializing in spewing your version of reality, the burden of proof is on you.

I invite anyone to check for themselves, including yourself.

If you are so certain of your stance then please provide said proof.

You are the one disputing things so the burden of proof is always laid at the accusers feet.

But if you want to waffle then I understand and won't hold it against you. Very Happy

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:17:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/09/2011 19:56:51
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Ranger 1
Very Happy

With each statement you make all you succeed in doing is proving my points. All it takes is for someone to check the validity of each point you made, which is easily done.

Just because you say a thing is so, does not make it so. Check your facts, then come back to us.

Oh really?

[citation needed]

So link some proof or stfu. Very Happy


You're the one specializing in spewing your version of reality, the burden of proof is on you.

I invite anyone to check for themselves, including yourself.

If you are so certain of your stance then please provide said proof.

You are the one disputing things so the burden of proof is always laid at the accusers feet.

But if you want to waffle then I understand and won't hold it against you. Very Happy


I underlined the important bit. You've made a lot of claims with nothing to back it up.

The only thing you've done is proven talk is cheap and try to shift the burden of proof, and the focus, away from yourself.

Until you can back up your claims, stop embarrassing yourself.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:21:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Until you can back up your claims, stop embarrassing yourself.
Funny how this all started with a “Pot, meet kettle”, and now, you're doing the same thing (or, rather, not doing the same thing) he's doing, so…

Kettle, meet pot. Laughing

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:23:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
I underlined the important bit. You've made a lot of claims with nothing to back it up.

The only thing you've done is proven talk is cheap and try to shift the burden of proof, and the focus, away from yourself.

Until you can back up your claims, stop embarrassing yourself.
Your not very good at this are you?

Take another shot mate. Laughing

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:24:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Funny how this all started with a “Pot, meet kettle”, and now, you're doing the same thing (or, rather, not doing the same thing) he's doing, so…

Kettle, meet pot. Laughing


Shh, I want to see which one runs out of steam first

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:26:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Shh, I want to see which one runs out of steam first
Ohsi… sorry. I'll see if I can find some ponies to paste in instead. Razz

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:28:00 - [70]
 

This thread is proof that bad posting can be created with any forum software.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:30:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: baltec1
Shh, I want to see which one runs out of steam first
Ohsi… sorry. I'll see if I can find some ponies to paste in instead. Razz


This pleases meVery Happy

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:32:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: baltec1
Shh, I want to see which one runs out of steam first
Ohsi… sorry. I'll see if I can find some ponies to paste in instead. Razz


This should be appropriate.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:36:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: baltec1
Shh, I want to see which one runs out of steam first
Ohsi… sorry. I'll see if I can find some ponies to paste in instead. Razz


This pleases meVery Happy


I'll admit it, it would be a distinct improvement. Very Happy

All the other "NO YOU" crap aside, your original statement boiled down to "CCP is making an poor decision in using EVE funds to develop other games" (to put it in polite terms) and inferring that "successful companies would never do this".

Since this bold statement started the debate, I'm asking for you to prove it.

See, I can be polite... sometimes....

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:42:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: baltec1
Shh, I want to see which one runs out of steam first
Ohsi… sorry. I'll see if I can find some ponies to paste in instead. Razz


This pleases meVery Happy


I'll admit it, it would be a distinct improvement. Very Happy

All the other "NO YOU" crap aside, your original statement boiled down to "CCP is making an poor decision in using EVE funds to develop other games" (to put it in polite terms) and inferring that "successful companies would never do this".

Since this bold statement started the debate, I'm asking for you to prove it.

See, I can be polite... sometimes....
So you are saying that the continued back burner treatment of eve to make other games is ok with you?

Hello ccp alt.

Eva'Ryvonne Charmp
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:45:00 - [75]
 

Why the hate for the new forums?
I never had signatures enabled. And would never do so.

And what has World of Darkness to to with these?

Everyone, even CCP has to agree on this one undisputable fact:

VAMPIRES SUCK!


Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:57:00 - [76]
 

Quote:
Hello ccp alt.


Ahh, the ccp alt accusation. The true indicator that someone just lost the debate.

Yes, I fully expect CCP to use their income to develop other products and split development time between them. Especially if that development time is used to develop code that will ultimately benefit EVE as well as their other offerings.

We are still waiting for you to substantiate your claim.

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:01:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Quote:
Hello ccp alt.


Ahh, the ccp alt accusation. The true indicator that someone just lost the debate.

Yes, I fully expect CCP to use their income to develop other products and split development time between them. Especially if that development time is used to develop code that will ultimately benefit EVE as well as their other offerings.

We are still waiting for you to substantiate your claim.
I'm still wondering why you are ok with ccp funneling money into projects that have zero impact on eve core gameplay development.

Sure ccp can do what they want with the money they get but it doesn't make it the right thing to do from an eve players perspective.

It goes to reason that if you are ok with ccp not using eves income to improve eve and instead using it to make even more eventual profits at the expense of its main game then you must be a ccp alt or an idiot.

Nothing else makes sense.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:16:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/09/2011 21:17:34
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Ranger 1
Quote:
Hello ccp alt.


Ahh, the ccp alt accusation. The true indicator that someone just lost the debate.

Yes, I fully expect CCP to use their income to develop other products and split development time between them. Especially if that development time is used to develop code that will ultimately benefit EVE as well as their other offerings.

We are still waiting for you to substantiate your claim.
I'm still wondering why you are ok with ccp funneling money into projects that have zero impact on eve core gameplay development.

Sure ccp can do what they want with the money they get but it doesn't make it the right thing to do from an eve players perspective.

It goes to reason that if you are ok with ccp not using eves income to improve eve and instead using it to make even more eventual profits at the expense of its main game then you must be a ccp alt or an idiot.

Nothing else makes sense.


Except they ARE developing code that benefits EVE game play in addition to benefiting their future games. There has been an outcry for EVE to be more than just spaceships since the game was in beta.

Right or wrong doesn't enter into it, every game company reinvests some of their profits into new offerings. Mostly because they want to survive.

Not being short sighted, or instead preferring to be a realist, does not make one a CCP alt.

And we are still waiting for your proof that this is a poor business move.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:16:00 - [79]
 

Quote:
I'm still wondering why you are ok with ccp funneling money into projects that have zero impact on eve core gameplay development.


The read what he ****ing posts, because he explains it quite well.

1. You are asking a question mired in fallacy. CCP is "funneling" money to other projects that will directly benefit EvE in the future.
2. See 1. as to why he supports it.

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:24:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Tokyo Rose on 05/09/2011 21:30:03
Originally by: Ranger 1
And we are still waiting for your proof that this is a poor business move.
Surprised

So you are saying that because ccp wants to fatten their wallets its just fine and dandy to sacrifice your daily gameplay to some future date so the top ccp dogs can get a second summer home and a lambo in the driveway.

This is what is happening.

CCP didn't need to fund addtional projects to make bank.

But like every other modern company they decided to bilk the subscribers and use them to fund even moar profits?

Are you getting a cut? If not then oh wow you are the biggest tool in ccp's box. LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
I'm still wondering why you are ok with ccp funneling money into projects that have zero impact on eve core gameplay development.


The read what he ****ing posts, because he explains it quite well.

1. You are asking a question mired in fallacy. CCP is "funneling" money to other projects that will directly benefit EvE in the future.
2. See 1. as to why he supports it.
So what is your cut? Razz


Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:39:00 - [81]
 

I profit (just about) every time I log into the server, because I enjoy playing EvE online.


Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:41:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
I profit (just about) every time I log into the server, because I enjoy playing EvE online.


Fake money != profit.

Unless you are admitting to botting to sell farmed isk for rl money. Very Happy

Izziee
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:45:00 - [83]
 

Quote:
The real troll is ccp using eves development funds to make a completely different game.

Remember that incarna test vid from quite a while back? The one that had more vampire style clothes than the current eve incarna release has eve themed clothes?




Excuse me, what?

Do you work? Are you old enough yet? When you get paid from work, and your boss tells you what to spend your money on, will you listen?

We pay CCP their wages, why? because we pay for a game they made, it is THEIR money to spend it how they see fit. If they want to spend it on another game, they can do just that. Sure, they could put it into eve, a very old MMO game, or they could put it into a newer game and hope for a bigger fan base with that. Whatever the choice, it's theirs.

Trolls Troll
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:47:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Trolls Troll on 05/09/2011 21:47:27
Originally by: Cipher Jones
I profit (just about) every time I log into the server, because I enjoy playing EvE online.




No sorry cause you pay CCP to play, and don't get any money back.

How you claim to be good at maths I never know?????????????????????????????

EDIT: maybe removing that monocotroll might help you see the numbers better Question

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:50:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Izziee
Quote:
The real troll is ccp using eves development funds to make a completely different game.

Remember that incarna test vid from quite a while back? The one that had more vampire style clothes than the current eve incarna release has eve themed clothes?




Excuse me, what?

Do you work? Are you old enough yet? When you get paid from work, and your boss tells you what to spend your money on, will you listen?

We pay CCP their wages, why? because we pay for a game they made, it is THEIR money to spend it how they see fit. If they want to spend it on another game, they can do just that. Sure, they could put it into eve, a very old MMO game, or they could put it into a newer game and hope for a bigger fan base with that. Whatever the choice, it's theirs.
So you are saying that you are totally ok that ccp is not giving you the best eve experience it can because it wants to fatten their wallets off additional games that have little or nothing to do with eve?

CCP alt/blind fanboi detected.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:50:00 - [86]
 

Every time I post a link to the definition of a word for you a mod erases it. So I will just say quit being a dumb ****, and shall go enjoy other activities that I profit from.

OFC if you are incapable, I understand.

Trolls Troll
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:55:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
So I will just say quit being a dumb ****



Did you listen to yourself?

Izziee
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:55:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Izziee
Quote:
The real troll is ccp using eves development funds to make a completely different game.

Remember that incarna test vid from quite a while back? The one that had more vampire style clothes than the current eve incarna release has eve themed clothes?




Excuse me, what?

Do you work? Are you old enough yet? When you get paid from work, and your boss tells you what to spend your money on, will you listen?

We pay CCP their wages, why? because we pay for a game they made, it is THEIR money to spend it how they see fit. If they want to spend it on another game, they can do just that. Sure, they could put it into eve, a very old MMO game, or they could put it into a newer game and hope for a bigger fan base with that. Whatever the choice, it's theirs.
So you are saying that you are totally ok that ccp is not giving you the best eve experience it can because it wants to fatten their wallets off additional games that have little or nothing to do with eve?

CCP alt/blind fanboi detected.


lol, wow you are desperate aren't you. I gotta love those pathetic cry babies who accuse anyone and everyone of being CCP because they don't agree with them, damn, that really is desperate.

And yeah, I don't give a crap what they do with the money, it's THEIRS. I pay for eve because I like it. If you don't like it and you pay for it well, lol at you. If you buy plex, then hey, you have even less reason to say how they spend THEIR money.

Keyword :- THEIRS.

You should look up what a company does. If they can make more money making another game then that's 100% up to them. Period.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:02:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Izziee


You should look up what a company does. If they can make more money making another game then that's 100% up to them. Period.



They shouldn't skimp on the current product though to have to do so, which is what is happening with Eve.

What if Coca Cola said, "Whilst we produce our new juice range for the next 18 months, we are going to stop producing all flavour related products, and the only line available will be plain Coca-Cola.

Sure, plenty of people love coke, and not sprite, or fanta, or diet coke. But there are others out there who don't like coke, and drink Coca Cola products for the other tastes.

Kinda see where i'm going?

Izziee
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:05:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Originally by: Izziee


You should look up what a company does. If they can make more money making another game then that's 100% up to them. Period.



They shouldn't skimp on the current product though to have to do so, which is what is happening with Eve.

What if Coca Cola said, "Whilst we produce our new juice range for the next 18 months, we are going to stop producing all flavour related products, and the only line available will be plain Coca-Cola.

Sure, plenty of people love coke, and not sprite, or fanta, or diet coke. But there are others out there who don't like coke, and drink Coca Cola products for the other tastes.

Kinda see where i'm going?


It's their choice if they do or not.

Eve is an old game, it doesn't have that many subscribers in todays terms, even less so for those actually paying cold hard cash for it.

If they want to take a gamble at producing other games which will in turn, fill their pockets more than what eve does, that is completely up to them. It's their game, their money, and at the end of the day, if I was in their shoes and had a gamble at making more money, I would, as would most people - even if they try to act all ethical and say they wouldn;t.


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