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Ford Ix Prefect
Posted - 2011.09.04 19:24:00 - [1]
 

People are more concerned about the loss appearing on their record than the ship loss it self.

People would risk more, and it would take effort to calculate who wins in fleet battles.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.09.04 21:22:00 - [2]
 

it sucks because your right. but it wont happen.... personally if i would go pvping and kill some guys i would be all proud and display the mails. but people are obsessed with not dieing because their ratio will be lower too bad no one cares

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.05 05:32:00 - [3]
 

KMs are fine. It's nice to have some kind of history of your pvp in Eve.

If anything, I'd like to see KMs only actually show the modules that drop on the kill, and hide all modules that were destroyed.

As of right now, you can simply view any alliances killboard for a full summary of their standard cap and super cap fits.

This is something you should have to obtain through active espionage, rather than passive killboard viewing.

Pou Tau
Posted - 2011.09.05 15:50:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Magnus Orin
KMs are fine. It's nice to have some kind of history of your pvp in Eve.

If anything, I'd like to see KMs only actually show the modules that drop on the kill, and hide all modules that were destroyed.

As of right now, you can simply view any alliances killboard for a full summary of their standard cap and super cap fits.

This is something you should have to obtain through active espionage, rather than passive killboard viewing.


Well without kill mails, you would have to piece together fits from wreckage of battle fields.
That would make it less easy to predict what the enemy is bringing.

But ya KMs are insta intel. Who's that in system? Check KB for probable fit. Ahh hes a covert cyno-pilot.

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:20:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Ford Ix Prefect
People are more concerned about the loss appearing on their record than the ship loss it self.


I too, can make an anecdotal post.

People who have an aversion to risk will not un-dock to fight, with or without kill mails.




Hayden Goodbrother
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:24:00 - [6]
 

I agree here, killmails would definately change the way PvP is done.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:42:00 - [7]
 

Increase PvP, Remove Stations And Docking

Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
Posted - 2011.09.05 18:32:00 - [8]
 

I think this proposal would, in fact, decrease PvPing.

I'm not talking about the PvPers who, like me, enjoy PvPing for what it is.

I'm talking, of course, about the carebears who alliances force to PvP because they would be kicked from corp if they don't have a minimal amount of kills on the killboards.

no killmails = no killboards = no reason for anyone but the hardcore PvPers to undock.

Pou Tau
Posted - 2011.09.05 19:51:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Gemberslaafje
I think this proposal would, in fact, decrease PvPing.

I'm not talking about the PvPers who, like me, enjoy PvPing for what it is.

I'm talking, of course, about the carebears who alliances force to PvP because they would be kicked from corp if they don't have a minimal amount of kills on the killboards.

no killmails = no killboards = no reason for anyone but the hardcore PvPers to undock.


You have a point, but I would think these care bears only participate in large blob pvp where their kill mail tags >>> their drake loss.
I think it would over all encourage these care bears into smaller gang pvp.

KB stats are screwed up already.
Who would you rather have?

Someone in a wolf with 70% kb efficacy all 1v1 or 1v>1.
or an apoc pilot who did 1% damage on 500 kill mails but has 95% efficacy.

In my opinion kill mails...
Provide way to much intel.
- Fleet fittings, skills ( ie cyno pilot)
- Blue tacklers, spies dropping bubbles / hot dropping
Way to much Epeen,
- oh ya my efficacy is 2% higher than yours.
Discouragement to new players who haven racked up 1000kill mails against NC drake blobs.
-"wow I must suck Ill never get 1000 drake kills"
-"you cant join our corp you haven't padded your KB yet"

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:39:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Pou Tau


I think it would over all encourage these care bears into smaller gang pvp.


No, they jump into big blobs because they can hide. Once in smaller gangs they are more exposed, and that increases risk, so they are not apt to join smaller gangs.

Originally by: Pou Tau
KB stats are screwed up already.
Who would you rather have?

Someone in a wolf with 70% kb efficacy all 1v1 or 1v>1.
or an apoc pilot who did 1% damage on 500 kill mails but has 95% efficacy.



If you can't read a kill mail, and discern between someone that is hiding in fleets you can figure that they at least 'x' up but have no ****ing clue about small gang warfare.

Originally by: Pou Tau
In my opinion kill mails...
Provide way to much intel.
- Fleet fittings, skills ( ie cyno pilot)
- Blue tacklers, spies dropping bubbles / hot dropping
Way to much Epeen,
- oh ya my efficacy is 2% higher than yours.
Discouragement to new players who haven racked up 1000kill mails against NC drake blobs.
-"wow I must suck Ill never get 1000 drake kills"
-"you cant join our corp you haven't padded your KB yet"


I have not seen very much of the over the top e-peen waving ***s with KM's. The ones that do are normally compensating for something. But they are in the minority. The reason some corps use the KB is to see if you even flippin un-dock. The idea is not to recruit dead weight. But peeps that actually play the game.

Nezumiiro Noneko
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:59:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Baaldor
I have not seen very much of the over the top e-peen waving ***s with KM's. The ones that do are normally compensating for something. But they are in the minority. The reason some corps use the KB is to see if you even flippin un-dock. The idea is not to recruit dead weight. But peeps that actually play the game.


this basically. This not an issue for the established hardcore members of your corp (you got them guys you know love their pvp and are skilled at i) so if no km's they say they roamed or wnet solo and kill 5 ships...you'd take them at their word.

Problem is your less bitter vets...like the noob trials fresh from empire. They got their 5 mil, 10 mil, 20 sp and said lemme in guys I meet your basic entry req's.. they miss a roam/op...its solo or them running with aonther less established member km;s that prove they undock for more than ratting (the corp tax wallet hit).

No km's...lots of issues. I undock and solo it, kill a few ships...no proof. Am I lying to impress or actually killing stuff? You don't know as corp leadership/established members. Sucks for all...goit a trial actually killing stuff not being believed he will in time take no initiative to find trouble in his own. Miss an op/roam....too far out...Ima rat (only way anyone nows I am here with no km's).

Or if you do beleive them, you might get a trial (or established member...alsways though it funny established members get the right off for being good peeps...its these peeps who are the best spies and do the biiiiiig corp thefts) making up kills if smart enough to hide thier ass in a dead system.

Hide in system where corpies can't see you, come back a few hours lates and say you roamed to here and killed heaps of ratters. Unless corp has spies in the copr you shot up....no way to check this out.

Hell even if you have spies....no km's mean people will hide the deaths they don't want to mention. Can't even trust your spies with this when their corpies loot/slavage their wrecks, make it go away and go nothing to see here...I didn't lose a ship lol.

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.09.06 05:05:00 - [12]
 

I think you need km's for the most part. However I do think they give too much intel, it should not show your fit, or even imo the modules that you drop, let people piece that together from the wreckage manually.

Nezumiiro Noneko
Posted - 2011.09.06 06:28:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Covert Kitty
I think you need km's for the most part. However I do think they give too much intel, it should not show your fit, or even imo the modules that you drop, let people piece that together from the wreckage manually.



problem is it makes seeing how your peeps fit a problem.

Take your pick....finding corpies who need some guidance in fitting (usually your noobs, but not always) or at the higher levels how do you ensure your fleet reimbursments aren't paying for replacements flown by people with no fitting skills or schemers? Those who can't fit a cap right...easier to spot. Say post up what you fit and see glaring problems. Problem is your schemers...they show a great uber fit for their caps if asked...but thats not the cap fit they run in fleets. 100% **** fit what they run to cut down on costs. Mommies gonna pop em up anyway ....lets run whatever named gear drops they got ratting and be out less mone they might say and do.

Gemberslaafje
Vivicide
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:34:00 - [14]
 

Perhaps loss mails, which should be (and are?) readable by corp directors, should have the actual fitting,

Kill mails should only have the dropped loot (it's a bit silly not to mention things people can see anyway) maybe without detailing which ones are actually fitted (so you can run around with a bunch of T1 guns in your cargo hold to give false intel) You could even try to include a total value, but that's especially hard with Faction mods etc.

Each corp can then decide to post their loss mails publically or privately, and kill mails do prove you've been running around without giving more intel then what you could get out of the wreck anyway.

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.09.06 10:50:00 - [15]
 

Removing killmails will have the opposite effect... If people cannot brag about their kills they won't go hunting for targets. People gain absolutely very little from PvP'ing except some adrenaline from nearly losing a ship, however in the current Eve people just reship so losing a ship isn't really a Big Deal anymore.

Pinky

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.09.06 14:41:00 - [16]
 

*RandomChar: Spacefajita trasher "x system -0.4"*

*Randomtard: why don't you kill it???*

*RandomCHar: look the char, it's just some noob mining or rating, give him a chance*

*Randomtard: wtf??? Kill it dam !*

*RandomChar: sry afk irl for few min. why should I kill the noob? give it a chance lol *

*Randomtard: BECAUSE OF KM's YOU BASTARD ! BECAUSE OF KILLBOARDS !! *

*...*



 

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