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Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:38:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Rather than ad-hoc nonsense, and "this one time, I logged on and only saw like 2 people online" why don't you take a look at eve-offline?

The truth is that the last year HAS seen growth in the player count. You could argue that the growth is somethat slight, compared to what it ought to be, but there are not 20,000 people missing from the game.

And yes, a lot of account have been banned for botting - and a lot of people would have unsubbed their bot accounts by themselves after getting a suspension for doing it. The fact that you pathetic whiners can simultaneously say "BAN ALL BOTTERS!!!!!!!!!!!" and then say "OMG ACCOUNTS ARE MISSING!!!" is full on special, it really is.

Oh, and Eve has been dying since 2004 ... didn't you know?

ignorance is bliss?

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Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:41:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Rather than ad-hoc nonsense, and "this one time, I logged on and only saw like 2 people online" why don't you take a look at eve-offline?

The truth is that the last year HAS seen growth in the player count. You could argue that the growth is somethat slight, compared to what it ought to be, but there are not 20,000 people missing from the game.

And yes, a lot of account have been banned for botting - and a lot of people would have unsubbed their bot accounts by themselves after getting a suspension for doing it. The fact that you pathetic whiners can simultaneously say "BAN ALL BOTTERS!!!!!!!!!!!" and then say "OMG ACCOUNTS ARE MISSING!!!" is full on special, it really is.

Oh, and Eve has been dying since 2004 ... didn't you know?

ignorance is bliss?

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Which shows that Incarna has not had a positive impact ... but no, there is no mass exodus. Jester himself blogged that there has been a 2.4% growth.

Try harder.

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:48:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher


Which shows that Incarna has not had a positive impact ... but no, there is no mass exodus. Jester himself blogged that there has been a 2.4% growth.

Try harder.
yeah sure whatever

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ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:57:00 - [34]
 

I can see this happening when CCP and its dev's are not dealing with the "features"(bugs), 0.0 nerfs make it worthless, continuously shooting out crappy "new content" that no one really cares about. Tell me there is a reason to continue to play?

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.09.04 17:59:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: ChYph3r
Tell me there is a reason to continue to play?
if you're not enjoying it, there isn't.

now, for the rest of the playerbase that DO still enjoy EVE, what is the reason NOT to play?

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.09.04 18:01:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher


Which shows that Incarna has not had a positive impact ... but no, there is no mass exodus. Jester himself blogged that there has been a 2.4% growth.

Try harder.
yeah sure whatever

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Math fail much, bro?

Originally by: Jester's Trek
For those wondering what the percentage in EVE's growth was for +60 days after Incarna's release? Before I normalized it, it was up a bit. After normalization, the true number is -0.2%. The normalized +30 day number changes from the -1.8% I published on July 20 to +0.1%. In short, either there's been no growth from Incarna, or any growth has been neutralized by unsubs caused by this summer's dramas. As a matter of fact, what struck me the most about the new, normalized chart, was the 30-day rolling average for the last 30 months. That number on February 22, 2009: 29,113. The same number on August 22, 2011, 30 months later: 29,841. The short spike of new players after Incursion was released aside, that's a difference of 2.4%. In 30 months.


Jester's Trek

Like I said, little to no growth. But no mass exodus either.

L2Math.

Or at least learn to read someone elses.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.04 18:03:00 - [37]
 

Suddenly graphs everywhere.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.04 18:09:00 - [38]
 

2.4% growth over a multi-quarter period, for an MMO of EVE's size, is not a very optimistic number.

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.04 18:10:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher


Math fail much, bro?

Originally by: Jester's Trek
For those wondering what the percentage in EVE's growth was for +60 days after Incarna's release? Before I normalized it, it was up a bit. After normalization, the true number is -0.2%. The normalized +30 day number changes from the -1.8% I published on July 20 to +0.1%. In short, either there's been no growth from Incarna, or any growth has been neutralized by unsubs caused by this summer's dramas. As a matter of fact, what struck me the most about the new, normalized chart, was the 30-day rolling average for the last 30 months. That number on February 22, 2009: 29,113. The same number on August 22, 2011, 30 months later: 29,841. The short spike of new players after Incursion was released aside, that's a difference of 2.4%. In 30 months.


Jester's Trek

Like I said, little to no growth. But no mass exodus either.

L2Math.

Or at least learn to read someone elses.

a little comprehension is required for that "reading" to be of any use. that 2.4% is for about 2 years. it shows that influx of new customers can barely cancel out the exodus of players, as opposed to the previous years that showed sustained significant growth. the data for this year is the most telling, and it will get worse as cancelled and isk-financed subs run out

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.09.04 18:12:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Discrodia
2.4% growth over a multi-quarter period, for an MMO of EVE's size, is not a very optimistic number.

Considering subscription numbers often spike before a MMO is dying, stagnation isn't as bad as one may think. Just dig out one of the comparative charts of subscription numbers of different MMOs.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.04 18:16:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Discrodia
2.4% growth over a multi-quarter period, for an MMO of EVE's size, is not a very optimistic number.


Still beats economic growth in the UK...

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.04 18:18:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Pok Nibin on 04/09/2011 18:23:52

Originally by: Perramas

We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch....
...changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.


When I first saw this guy (Hilmar) I couldn't believe what I was looking at. How this lost-in-a-timewarp fashion clown with all the cutting edge presence of a No Parking sign could possibly attempt to sound so "cool" and "with it" in all his textual offerings became at once clear with one look at this ride-the-curl wannabee.

I still shudder in disgust at the memory, but must admit that it became enlighteningly evident why this CCP organization is swimming up stream with all the strength and grace of a one-finned salmon...that thinks it's a shark.


Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 02:39:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 04/09/2011 17:33:09
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Mai Kusoni
I did see 40,000 + online last night EST.
Which just a year or so ago was pushing 70k+. Wink
LOL - some of you kids really like to stretch facts, eh?

Whilst I'm not disputing there has been a drop in population, the 70K+ you're talking about was a ONE-TIME PCU of 63k - hardly pushing 70k, except in your imagination - and this number came during AT8 so is not exactly a "standard benchmark" we should be all using.

but i know, a little black silhouette like you is FAR happier if they can shout "EvE is dying!" every time you pay your sub/buy a plex, eh?

For the OP - you can see yourself what's going on. There has definitely been a drop (look at the "Past Three Months" graph) but there are arguably some mitigating factors (higher system reqs for CQ, banning of bots) for this - either way, as bad as this might look, we'll only truly know what's going to happen to EvE by watching the sub numbers over the next year or two. CCP could easily fix this, it just remains to be seen if they want to.


EDIT: There are 44,470 online now. What are you crying about again?

Poor pesky. Still trying to validate your continued subscription to this game?

As far as the eve is dying comment I'm the last person in the world who wants eve to die and in all honestly its not going to die off completely.

But for a long term player who ran out of content years ago and waited and waited and waited and waited for ccp to ever atcually finish any content that has been put in the game I finally gave up and am browsing in greener pastures.

Now hopefully one day after ccp gets past its carebear money grab phase and actually finishes the stuff it started years and years ago my accounts will gladly come back.

But until then I will just occasionally pop back in off an isk for plex resub and continue to laugh at you all.

~toodles and have fun funding world of darkness. \o

Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
I used someone else's money to reactivate my inactive sub


Most neckbeards do; Mommy and Daddy's.
wouldn't be surprised if it was your mommy and daddy's
Yeah. I have no idea who's money initially bought the plex I bought off the market with isk.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.05 02:54:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 05/09/2011 02:59:32
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 05/09/2011 02:55:25
[tinfoil]
Kinda wondering if the NeX store and them not giving a real **** if ppl leave wasnt their way of softening up the player base of the people that would ***** if the game DID to F2P
[/tinfoil]

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher


Which shows that Incarna has not had a positive impact ... but no, there is no mass exodus. Jester himself blogged that there has been a 2.4% growth.

Try harder.


Whats the timeline for that growth?

oh yeah THIRTY MONTHS

Originally by: Pok Nibin

When I first saw this guy (Hilmar) I couldn't believe what I was looking at. How this lost-in-a-timewarp fashion clown with all the cutting edge presence of a No Parking sign could possibly attempt to sound so "cool" and "with it" in all his textual offerings became at once clear with one look at this ride-the-curl wannabee.
I still shudder in disgust at the memory, but must admit that it became enlighteningly evident why this CCP organization is swimming up stream with all the strength and grace of a one-finned salmon...that thinks it's a shark.



Last thing I remember Hilmar saying was this:
Quote:
Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say


funny, I cant get that out of my head

Trolls Troll
Posted - 2011.09.05 03:17:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Pok Nibin


When I first saw this guy (Hilmar) I couldn't believe what I was looking at. How this lost-in-a-timewarp fashion clown with all the cutting edge presence of a No Parking sign could possibly attempt to sound so "cool" and "with it" in all his textual offerings became at once clear with one look at this ride-the-curl wannabee.

I still shudder in disgust at the memory, but must admit that it became enlighteningly evident why this CCP organization is swimming up stream with all the strength and grace of a one-finned salmon...that thinks it's a shark.




+10 internetz for a good lol ugh

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.09.05 16:48:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 04/09/2011 17:33:09
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Originally by: Mai Kusoni
I did see 40,000 + online last night EST.
Which just a year or so ago was pushing 70k+. Wink
LOL - some of you kids really like to stretch facts, eh?

Whilst I'm not disputing there has been a drop in population, the 70K+ you're talking about was a ONE-TIME PCU of 63k - hardly pushing 70k, except in your imagination - and this number came during AT8 so is not exactly a "standard benchmark" we should be all using.

but i know, a little black silhouette like you is FAR happier if they can shout "EvE is dying!" every time you pay your sub/buy a plex, eh?

For the OP - you can see yourself what's going on. There has definitely been a drop (look at the "Past Three Months" graph) but there are arguably some mitigating factors (higher system reqs for CQ, banning of bots) for this - either way, as bad as this might look, we'll only truly know what's going to happen to EvE by watching the sub numbers over the next year or two. CCP could easily fix this, it just remains to be seen if they want to.


EDIT: There are 44,470 online now. What are you crying about again?

Poor pesky. Still trying to validate your continued subscription to this game?
Not in the least. If I wasn't still enjoying EvE, I would no longer be here. Not all of us are little emo crybabies who need to have our game-time validated. The minute I stop enjoying it, I'll leave.

But, nice attempt to side-step the fact that your figures were way off, and you're unable to back them up.

Originally by: Tokyo Rose
As far as the eve is dying comment I'm the last person in the world who wants eve to die and in all honestly its not going to die off completely.

But for a long term player who ran out of content years ago and waited and waited and waited and waited for ccp to ever atcually finish any content that has been put in the game I finally gave up and am browsing in greener pastures.

Now hopefully one day after ccp gets past its carebear money grab phase and actually finishes the stuff it started years and years ago my accounts will gladly come back.

But until then I will just occasionally pop back in off an isk for plex resub and continue to laugh at you all.

~toodles and have fun funding world of darkness. \o
So, you'll "pop back in off an isk for plex resub and continue to laugh at you all" and thereby support CCP even though you can barely see your screen through all the tears streaming down your face. Yup, you'll have the last laugh as you fund them to continue to make a game you swear you're so unhappy with. Oh, but wait...
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Yeah. I have no idea who's money initially bought the plex I bought off the market with isk.
thanks for demonstrating your complete lack of understanding. You won't pay CCP but you're ok with someone else paying them so long as you can pay with ISK?

So, you wouldn't buy McDonalds and support a business model you disagree with but so long as someone else buys it, you'd be ok with eating it?

Nice - if somewhat delusional - moral high ground.


Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.09.05 17:06:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Not in the least. If I wasn't still enjoying EvE, I would no longer be here. Not all of us are little emo crybabies who need to have our game-time validated. The minute I stop enjoying it, I'll leave.

But, nice attempt to side-step the fact that your figures were way off, and you're unable to back them up.
I said pushing 70k+ and not that it had reached 70k+. Keep grasping for your validation.

Originally by: Pesky LaRue
So, you'll "pop back in off an isk for plex resub and continue to laugh at you all" and thereby support CCP even though you can barely see your screen through all the tears streaming down your face. Yup, you'll have the last laugh as you fund them to continue to make a game you swear you're so unhappy with. Oh, but wait...
Originally by: Tokyo Rose
Yeah. I have no idea who's money initially bought the plex I bought off the market with isk.
thanks for demonstrating your complete lack of understanding. You won't pay CCP but you're ok with someone else paying them so long as you can pay with ISK?

So, you wouldn't buy McDonalds and support a business model you disagree with but so long as someone else buys it, you'd be ok with eating it?

Nice - if somewhat delusional - moral high ground.
I think its an awesome deal to be able to come here and laugh my arse off at the blind fanboiz with someone elses money. You still seem to think I hate eve and want it to fail. You could not be more wrong.

I want eve to be the greatest mmo ever made but alas ccp doesn't seem to feel the same way. Sad


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