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Bustin Jieber
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:17:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Precisely why I feel passionately that the CSM should have been balanced rather than representing a single-interest cartel.

The players voted for who they wanted. They didn't vote for you so now you're mad.

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:35:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Bustin Jieber
Originally by: General Windypops
Precisely why I feel passionately that the CSM should have been balanced rather than representing a single-interest cartel.

The players voted for who they wanted. They didn't vote for you so now you're mad.


what % of the players voted again? And what percentage of that was goons voting for goons?

Better idea, make it so corpmates cant vote for corpmates (yes theyd just make alts but that just furthers the voting will never work in this game argument)

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:50:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Let this be a lesson to everybody:

Always elect indy players who support piracy (real piracy, not kill-everything-that-moves-Jan-Bradyism) and exploration and they will come up with stuff that all players will agree with.

And by the way, the biggest problem with democracy is the notion that just because someone got elected to something, they are automatically an authority. That's a load of BS. I am very thankful that EVE Online is such an unruly sandbox that this false notion about a false god fails so miserably and in such flames that ignorance burns so well no matter how wet.



Amen, and I don't say that because I support piracy (Rooks and Kings, yay :p), and have pushed consistently for exploration content and revamp (you can thank me, in part, for the accessibility of the "new" probing system).

But even then, I doubt you can find things everyone agrees with. My rule is to find things that benefit everyone (ie, the ecosystem), as opposed to the activities of a few. I'll nerf my own game preferences if the game as a whole benefits...

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.05 20:55:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
what % of the players voted again? And what percentage of that was goons voting for goons?

It's not our fault if the pubbies didn't vote. Take it up with them.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:02:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Bustin Jieber
Originally by: General Windypops
Precisely why I feel passionately that the CSM should have been balanced rather than representing a single-interest cartel.

The players voted for who they wanted. They didn't vote for you so now you're mad.


Whenever you vote for what someone represents and then they take office and discontinue said representation, its 'politics working as intended'.
And whenever you vote for a person rather than what they represent, it might as well be a tyranny anyway.


Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:04:00 - [186]
 

So now the CSM = tyranny?

You need to chill a bit, bro.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:05:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: General Windypops

Indeed. And when your only electorate is your own alliance membership then it's not surprising your own alliance forums are where you post your CSM updates.



I do believe The Mittani got thousands more votes than he had members of his alliance. He did it because he had a platform and made an effective case for himself.

The issue as I see it is not that Mittani won, but rather that he has gone back on his campaign promises. He does more damage control for CCP than even CCP bothers to.

If you want to get elected (you will never get elected) you should be appealing to a large number of players, explain what you are going to do, and make a case for that that is effective and in sync with what the players want. Mittani did. You didn't.

A lot of the anger at The Mittani and the CSM at large is from people who just really don't like goons. They exist. But those people were always mad, and they didn't vote for Mittani in the first place. What I think is significant is that many players such as myself who did vote for him are regretting that, not because "LOL HE A GOON HE WORKS FOR HIS ALLIANCE GOONS ARE DESTROYINGG THE GAME!!!," which is more or less the argument you too are making, but rather because he is not doing what he promised to do effectively. Months later he's going to go to 'the media' about CCP's failures with incarna? Really? And after calling the players who complained about Incarna at launch "babies?"

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:11:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
what % of the players voted again? And what percentage of that was goons voting for goons?

It's not our fault if the pubbies didn't vote. Take it up with them.


Hence why Im saying the voting system will NEVER work here. Unless you make it a manditory upon log in, one vote per account type thing. Even that falls down due to ppl having multiple accounts and "pubbies" who dont know any names other than EVE famous ppl.
So... a voting system will never work in this game. Regardless of who votes an who doesnt

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:13:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Feligast
So now the CSM = tyranny?

You need to chill a bit, bro.


That's exactly what I said.

You chilled a bit much during reading class.

Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:14:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Feligast
So now the CSM = tyranny?

You need to chill a bit, bro.


That's exactly what I said.

You chilled a bit much during reading class.


Ok then.

Paragon Renegade
Posted - 2011.09.05 21:59:00 - [191]
 

It's like watching Halo fans argue about Armour Lock.

This is a good thing.

Infinimo
GSF Finance Department
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:11:00 - [192]
 

In my opinion,.

BehindDOORNEXWhore
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:18:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Feligast
Show me where the "playerbase" in any way is united on what is fun.


I believe a large section of the playerbase recognises that that there is an inherent problem with the game/company direction at the moment.

It's the lack of fun that is uniting the playerbase at the moment, coupled with the perception that resources are being diverted away from the players investment that is causing ire.

I guess its up to the CSM to decide whether they truly represent the playerbase and their aspirations for EVE.

At the end of the day, are those minutes really going to change anything?

No.

Sure, They might give us an insight into CCP's thought process - well Hilmars at least, but its all pretty academic now. Particulary (as Mittens eludes too), the Upper Management are driven by other "Enterprises"

Apparently, Greed is good, so too is being fearless and therefore the ONLY way to show your disdain is by unsubbing - simples.
And no, To those that think that buying plex sends a signal...it doesn't. Its NOT Free - Someone PAID for that Plex.

To those hellbent on skilling up "just in case" ...your "Just in case" was shown the door.

The CSM does have an opportunity here, If you truly believe you do represent the playerbase, then I suggest that you unify your voice, Coherently, through The Mittani (or not) and sort out these pressing issues.
For the good of the game and the playerbase.



















Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:20:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Paragon Renegade
It's like watching Halo fans argue about Armour Lock.

This is a good thing.


never played much halo whats armor lock lol

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:22:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: BehindDOORNEX*****

They might give us an insight into CCP's thought process - well Hilmars at least,




Hilmar's though prosesses cant be more well spelled out

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:26:00 - [196]
 

Edited by: AnzacPaul on 05/09/2011 22:25:59
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Paragon Renegade
It's like watching Halo fans argue about Armour Lock.

This is a good thing.


never played much halo whats armor lock lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-t3f5zn51M&feature=related

lol you can imagine the tears when it was introduced :P

Reilly Duvolle
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:33:00 - [197]
 

More stuff happening it seems. Has the campaign begun?

Edge article

Eurogamer article

Indy Rider
Amarr
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:40:00 - [198]
 


Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:49:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 05/09/2011 23:51:24
Countdown till Mittens gets banned and his name censored on the forums like **********
CCP doesnt have a good history with ppl that blow the whistle on them

odd how quickly the "news" agencies are finding his blog isnt it

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:16:00 - [200]
 

5/10 for trolling that hard a lot of peeps YARRRR!!


N1gella Laws0n
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:19:00 - [201]
 

How erect do you think Mittani gets every time he sees his name on a website?
lob, partially, semi, fully, rampant?

It's like a male mintchimp... only... somehow more deserate... which way doth the wind blow? He just follows the wind, only so loudly you think he made the wind. Bandwagon Mastery V.

Cancel Align NOW
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:32:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: N1gella Laws0n
How erect do you think Mittani gets every time he sees his name on a website?
lob, partially, semi, fully, rampant?

It's like a male mintchimp... only... somehow more deserate... which way doth the wind blow? He just follows the wind, only so loudly you think he made the wind. Bandwagon Mastery V.


Thank you for your viewpoint N1gella

DmD666
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:45:00 - [203]
 

posting in a future threadnaught

Living Dead Girl
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:53:00 - [204]
 

Looks like it's starting?

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:21:00 - [205]
 

Forcing voting is stupid because that's not how democracy works. If you force people to vote then whoever's name is on the top of the list wins. Besides, few of the CSMs represent any large chunk of the populace outside their corp/alliance, and most of the choices are just unappealing.

The past few elections, for example, I've either abstained because I don't think anyone represents me, or voted for Mittens on account that he's getting elected anyway and I like voting for professional trolls. I don't honestly care, because so far the only things I've seen from the CSM have been positive (skill queue notably) I see no reason to change.

As flawed as the system is, the best way to counter people who you don't like in CSM is to actually run for CSM and either get a large corp/alliance behind you, or actually make your views clear enough that of the un-allianced voters you actually get a significant chunk.

Because, like I said, forcing the vote upon all players would just be plain stupid. If they can't be bothered to vote of their own initiative, they can't complain when it bites them in the ass.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.06 01:23:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Discrodia
Forcing voting is stupid because that's not how democracy works.




yes well democracy doesnt really work in a system where you can make 3 new voters as much as youre willing to pay for them (alt accounts).

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.09.06 05:12:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Discrodia
Forcing voting is stupid because that's not how democracy works.




yes well democracy doesnt really work in a system where you can make 3 new voters as much as youre willing to pay for them (alt accounts).


One thing Discrodia really missed was that EVE is a GAME, not a nation, and hence as a system owned by a private corporation that can spell out game mechanics and devise their own User License Agreement, the "laws of what is and is not democracy" does not apply.

Based one the view that we should not be forced to vote on a private server in a privately own IP content, we might even argue that we should not even have to be forced to engage in PVP either.

If CCP wants to force everybody to vote, they have every right to. They are not a government. Quite often we mix up individual rights and those of a corporation, and get things mixed up. An individual who you have no contract with cannot force you to do anything. We have a contract with CCP - we agree to their rules when playing their game. If they wanted to make everybody vote, they could, and we could whine about it until it kills us, and no rights are violated.


Empy Ralt
Posted - 2011.09.06 05:26:00 - [208]
 


A vote for the CSM only had meaning if CCP cared. They don't, it didn't.

It really doesn't matter who got elected.

KamikazeBrAzIl
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.06 05:36:00 - [209]
 

Will Jita burn again?


DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.09.06 06:16:00 - [210]
 

I am not a Mittens fan at all. But he did did well as chairman of the CSM so far.

Don't blame him, blame CCP, they are the cause of the problems and only they can solve them. The CSM has a little influence over certain people in CCP, but not over management, and CCP management is the problem here.

My 0.02isk



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