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Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:22:00 - [1]
 

Anyone seen the 13 plex for 199,99 discount?

I find that...a bit disturbing...

It's really tell about the new direction of the game.

Igualmentedos
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:32:00 - [2]
 

I might be ******ed, but 15×13 is 195... which is cheaper than 199.99. Anyone with me on this or am i missing something?

Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:36:00 - [3]
 

nah, plex always costed more, because you could sell them for isk.

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:42:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Nin Kimrov
Anyone seen the 13 plex for 199,99 discount?

Just informing you that anyone who uses a , as a decimal point is automatically wrong.
In scientific notation, a standard, the correct . is used.
1.5 * 10^26

It also makes logical sense. Comma is a rest, period is a STOP.

$15,000.55
15...continue with thousand...STOP...55 cents
Dollars and cents are split by the period, a punctuation mark which ENDS a sentence. Dollars and cents are separate. This makes sense.

$15.000,55
ok. WTF IS THIS?
15 dollars...STOP....1000 more dollars!?...continue with 55 cents...

And then there's $15,000,000,000 vs $15.000.000.000
Imagine the number as a sentence. The comma makes it like a list, of the one sentence/value. The period is stupid, because you STOP. EVERY. TIME. 15 STOP. THOUSAND STOP. THOUSAND STOP. THOUSAND


And, no, I'm not American. They're wrong with their dates, spelling and unit system.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:46:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Originally by: Nin Kimrov
Anyone seen the 13 plex for 199,99 discount?

Just informing you that anyone who uses a , as a decimal point is automatically wrong.
In scientific notation, a standard, the correct . is used.
1.5 * 10^26

It also makes logical sense. Comma is a rest, period is a STOP.

$15,000.55
15...continue with thousand...STOP...55 cents
Dollars and cents are split by the period, a punctuation mark which ENDS a sentence. Dollars and cents are separate. This makes sense.

$15.000,55
ok. WTF IS THIS?
15 dollars...STOP....1000 more dollars!?...continue with 55 cents...

And then there's $15,000,000,000 vs $15.000.000.000
Imagine the number as a sentence. The comma makes it like a list, of the one sentence/value. The period is stupid, because you STOP. EVERY. TIME. 15 STOP. THOUSAND STOP. THOUSAND STOP. THOUSAND


And, no, I'm not American. They're wrong with their dates, spelling and unit system.


You are wrong.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:49:00 - [6]
 

This is NOT my alt, but it is a post I've posted a couple of times on these forums ;-)

/me HIGH fives 'Vice Admiral'.

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Originally by: Nin Kimrov
Anyone seen the 13 plex for 199,99 discount?

Just informing you that anyone who uses a , as a decimal point is automatically wrong.
In scientific notation, a standard, the correct . is used.
1.5 * 10^26

It also makes logical sense. Comma is a rest, period is a STOP.

$15,000.55
15...continue with thousand...STOP...55 cents
Dollars and cents are split by the period, a punctuation mark which ENDS a sentence. Dollars and cents are separate. This makes sense.

$15.000,55
ok. WTF IS THIS?
15 dollars...STOP....1000 more dollars!?...continue with 55 cents...

And then there's $15,000,000,000 vs $15.000.000.000
Imagine the number as a sentence. The comma makes it like a list, of the one sentence/value. The period is stupid, because you STOP. EVERY. TIME. 15 STOP. THOUSAND STOP. THOUSAND STOP. THOUSAND


And, no, I'm not American. They're wrong with their dates, spelling and unit system.

Coco Brown
Minmatar
morons.
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:49:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Coco Brown on 03/09/2011 00:49:19
looks like CCP is bankrupt because of door...

Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:49:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Nin Kimrov on 03/09/2011 00:52:19
Edited by: Nin Kimrov on 03/09/2011 00:50:03
If I tell you that I am Canadian, you can tell from my "mistake" were do I come. (if you look at the wiki)

Edit: I was more concerned by the so player controlled market that the game was advertising. It seem another feature of the game will be converted for cash shop.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:54:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Nin Kimrov
Edited by: Nin Kimrov on 03/09/2011 00:52:19
Edited by: Nin Kimrov on 03/09/2011 00:50:03
If I tell you that I am Canadian, you can tell from my "mistake" were do I come. (if you look at the wiki)



Quebec.

Hello from the west coast (BC).

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:58:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Magnus Orin
You are wrong.


You need to 'read' what you quoted and see where you went wrong there. Here's my favorite reply so far (taken from memory, sorry, I'm not the original author and it probably shows lol):

I.can.
type.like.this.
though.and.everyone.
knows.
what.
I'
m.saying.
so.there.is.no.
problem.with.the.overloading.of.a.decimal.mark.separator.delimiter.used.to.aid.in.punctuation.for.appearing.1.0.0.s.of.posts.


Optional Patch
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:04:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Originally by: Nin Kimrov
Anyone seen the 13 plex for 199,99 discount?

Just informing you that anyone who uses a , as a decimal point is automatically wrong.


Nin is hardly automatically wrong.

I agree that the comma used as a decimal delimiter feels odd and leads to confusion, however many countries use this notation as standard. When the comma is used as a decimal mark, the digit group separator can be either a point or a space.

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:07:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Magnus Orin
You are wrong.


You need to 'read' what you quoted and see where you went wrong there. Here's my favorite reply so far (taken from memory, sorry, I'm not the original author and it probably shows lol):

I.can.
type.like.this.
though.and.everyone.
knows.
what.
I'
m.saying.
so.there.is.no.
problem.with.the.overloading.of.a.decimal.mark.separator.delimiter.used.to.aid.in.punctuation.for.appearing.1.0.0.s.of.posts.




I was referring to this part:

Quote:

In the Middle Ages, before printing, a bar ( ¯ ) over the units digit was used to separate the integral part of a number from its fractional part, a tradition derived from the decimal system used in Indian mathematics.[1] Its regular usage and classification can be attributed to the Persian mathematician Al-Khwarizmi.[2] It remains in common use as an underbar to superscript digits, especially for monetary pricing values. e.g. 9995 without a decimal point.
Later, a separator (ˌ) (a short, roughly vertical, ink stroke) between the units and tenths position became the norm among Islamic mathematicians. When this character was typeset, it was convenient to use the existing comma (,) or period (.) instead.
In France, the period was already in use in printing to make Roman numerals more readable, so the comma was chosen. Many other countries also chose to use the comma to mark the decimal units position, such as Italy.[3] It has been made standard by the ISO for international blueprints. However, English-speaking countries took the comma to separate sequences of three digits.



The OP noted that he is from Quebec, and french is likely his native language, making it perfectly acceptable to use the comma symbol (,) as a decimal mark.

I don't get your jibberish.

Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:11:00 - [13]
 

the purple alligator danced on the light of the moon and then we walked across the ocean and ate dinner at our favorite taxi cab ride to the city. Oh what fun we had.

Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:19:00 - [14]
 

So what about that plex discount? (grammar nazy!!! :P) How do you feel about it?

Taylor Polynomial
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:24:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Igualmentedos
I might be ******ed, but 15×13 is 195... which is cheaper than 199.99. Anyone with me on this or am i missing something?


isn't it $15.95 for a plex? In that case it'd cost 207.35, saving you 7.36. Or 3.5%

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Nin Kimrov
So what about that plex discount? (grammar nazy!!! :P) How do you feel about it?


Screw the bulk plex! We're on to decimal points now!

Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:27:00 - [17]
 

I agree, that decimal point is more disturbing. What can CCP do to fix that? An emergency meeting?

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:38:00 - [18]
 

"The 10th resolution of CGPM in 2003 declared that "the symbol for the decimal marker shall be either the point on the line or the comma on the line." In practice, the decimal point is used in English-speaking countries as well as most of Asia and the comma in most continental European languages. -Your BFF Wikipedia.org.

We're all wrong?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:40:00 - [19]
 

non-special PLEX offers -> 17.5 / mo (or if USD translated into EUR, 12.33 / mo)
13 PLEX for 199.99 special -> 15.38 / mo (or if USD translated into EUR, 10.84 / mo)
1-month subscription -> 14.95 / mo
3-month subscription -> 12.95 / mo
6-month subscription -> 11.95 / mo
1-year subscription -> 10.95 / mo

PLEX is still the worse option for people paying in USD, no matter what the offer is.
People that pay in EUR can only take advantage of the 17.5->12.33 method (via GTCs) which is still worse than the 6 month or the 1 year plan.
The only convoluted way in which the "13 PLEX" offer would be of any actual benefit is if some EUR-payer would actually wire cash to somebody that buys in USD, have him buy the PLEX and send them to him, but that actually breaks the game's EULA (selling in-game goods for real cash) and is also highly risky.

So... basically... no big freaking deal.

Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:44:00 - [20]
 

Not really about the deal in itself, but the idea behind it, because yes the deal suck.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:48:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 03/09/2011 01:48:56
Originally by: Nin Kimrov
Not really about the deal in itself, but the idea behind it, because yes the deal suck.

So the idea behind bringing PLEX-supported subscription RL equivalent prices ever so slightly more in line with directly credit-card-paid subscription for larger transactions is a sign of the coming apocalypse now or something like that ?
...
Right.
I rest my case.

Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:02:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Nin Kimrov on 03/09/2011 02:03:43
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 03/09/2011 01:48:56
Originally by: Nin Kimrov
Not really about the deal in itself, but the idea behind it, because yes the deal suck.

So the idea behind bringing PLEX-supported subscription RL equivalent prices ever so slightly more in line with directly credit-card-paid subscription for larger transactions is a sign of the coming apocalypse now or something like that ?
...
Right.
I rest my case.


The idea of according discount on a market item regulated by the player economy and influencing its price by increasing or reducing offer/demand.

Seriously, It could be a ship, I don't care that it is a plex, but the timming is, with all the events going on, interesting.

Anyways, thank you for your concerns Akita, like If I was saying the apocalypse is coming...

EDIT: Oh and what about those decimals and dots, where are we now? What is better? 1,337.00 or 1 337,00 or 1'337.00 or 1.337.00

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:05:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 03/09/2011 02:08:24
Originally by: Nin Kimrov
like if I was saying the apocalypse is coming

"[...]disturbing[...]new direction[...]" ? CloseEnough™

Originally by: Nin Kimrov
The idea of according discount on a market item regulated by the player economy and influencing its price by increasing or reducing offer/demand.

Like they flat out stated early this year they are prepared to do if they felt it was necessary ?

Also, a whooping barely above 12% discount for a 13-unit order ?
Bleh. Almost negligible. In comparison, the discount for CC sub is almost 27% for 12 units compared to 1 unit.

Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:07:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Nin Kimrov on 03/09/2011 02:07:49
Edited by: Nin Kimrov on 03/09/2011 02:06:58
Personnally, I do find that the game, by trying to aim at a new market, is forgetting their current base. That is my opinion and yes, what I did say may have been influenced by my opinion.

EDIT : Now I should add disclaimer in all my future posts!

Large Collidable Object
morons.
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:13:00 - [25]
 

Hey I can buy like 3-4 monocles for that - I'll so totally do that...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:13:00 - [26]
 

You're full of non-sequiturs.
Yes, the game might be taking a few odd turns. Yes, the new developments were sub-standard. Yes, CCP screwed up a lot of things.
But the pathetically low discount on PLEX bulk orders (MUCH lower discount than when compared to longer subscription discounts) is NOT indicative and NOT related to ANY of those things, nor ANY future developments, good or bad.
It's like saying a "buy a 10-pack of icecream, get 1 free" promotion is a sign that the icecream company is going under, or plans to screw up the recipe.
Would you like a T2 tinfoil hat ? I have a BPO for it.

Nin Kimrov
Minmatar
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:18:00 - [27]
 

May I ask you one thing, do you really think that I really care that much about those rebate that I would respond to your last answer trying to defend my point and say omg we all going to die?

You know, from all time I watch the forum, EvE general forum never been that slow, maybe it's because of the new forum coming, but it's like an irc chat. That's funny!

So may I present you my thin foil hat for you speechless victory!

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:28:00 - [28]
 

Well, we're all going to die anyway Laughing eventually.

Flottari
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:54:00 - [29]
 

CCP are really screwing EU in the a**, because 10.95 euros = 15,56 dollars, so one year becomes 131,4euros which is 186,71 dollars.
Instead of 131.4 dollars which are 92,47 euros.
I know this an old argument but hey i thought id mention it again because im ****ed off because it would be worse buying 1 year rather than one month at a time with dollars.

/ranting done

Anshu Zephyran
Gallente
Laurentson INC
Posted - 2011.09.03 03:09:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Igualmentedos
I might be ******ed, but 15×13 is 195... which is cheaper than 199.99. Anyone with me on this or am i missing something?


You are missing something. If you go to CCP's own PLEX store, you get 1 PLEX for approx. $20. 13*20=260, which is greater than 199.

You can buy 2 PLEX for about $35, 6 PLEX for $105, or 12 PLEX go for $210, all of which translate to about $17.5 per PLEX. 17.5*13=227; 227>199.


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