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Ford Ix Prefect
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:12:00 - [1]
 

Why? I doubt its your captains closet, which the only content it added was longer station loading times.

But game breaking bugs that you never seem to see on your server.

I have seen, and had happen to me, these bugs in the last 2 months alone.

Lvl 4 half trained to 5 skill reset to 4.
2 level 5 skills reset to 4.
(no deaths either case)
Carrier jumps, docks, all mods and rigs missing.
Bubbles just not working.
All damage over a 15 second fight applied at once.
Resist being ignored
Modulus turning off
Ships flying backwards
Bonuses not being applied
Texture failures in closet
Fps sky rocketing to 900fps ( nearly melted my video card thanks )
Turrets appearing on random parts of ships.
Mining laser sounds not stopping until reloging
People teleporting out of their ship and appearing in random station
Jumping at star gate, not jumping, getting session timer.
Tons of lag

Anyone else notice anything I didnt list? This is just recent stuff.

Ford Ix Prefect
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:15:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Ford Ix Prefect on 02/09/2011 16:17:18
Double incursion, 2 in same system in a row
Enemies appearing as friendly on overview
Friendly appearing as neutral on overview
People not appearing on overview
People appearing in duplicate on overview
Mining drones stop mining
Drones ignore focus fire order ( ongoing )

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:18:00 - [3]
 


Most of those bug were fixed by simply clearing the cache.

CCP fixed over half of those last night with 1 client patch and a hot fix.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist

Tian Garsk
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:22:00 - [4]
 

About half of those problems are very likely at tour end to be honest.

Take for example the 900fps issue, there is no software no matter how badly coded that could physically do that to your fps as the card would have cut out end forced your machine to reboot a long time before that happened. If it did happen (and i'm very skeptical about that) it would have been a hardware issue with your GPPU core.

Lag isn't always CCP's fault, a large amount of lag is simply the internet routing between your modem and their modem, it could be caused by anything along that route, yes there is lag that is server based in EVE but to be fare it's not any worse than any other MMO out there.

Ships flying backwards? That was comical, not game breaking, and wasn't really even a bug, that was YOUR pc using cached image files, all that was needed was to clear YOUR cache.

Many of the rest can be simply associated to lag quite easily, whether it's your lag, their lag or somewhere in between is hard to determine.

I'm not saying there haven't been bugs, there have and are, but it's nowhere near as bad as people seem to make it out to be, i have seen far worse issues in other MMO's.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:23:00 - [5]
 

OP is wrong and fail

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:24:00 - [6]
 

OP YOUR STUFF!!!!

I'm first, I want!!


Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:24:00 - [7]
 


I am simply stating that most of the whiners show no respect to anyone or even realize things were fixed, or the fact that at 0200 GMT this morning CCP applied hot fixes to fix problems. YA thats right ****tard they pulled an all nighter for you so you can play there game. You know what just quit and give me your stuff.

Troll quote removed. Zymurgist

Ford Ix Prefect
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:28:00 - [8]
 

I have seen, and had happen

That is past tense, there have been a ton of bugs, and a lot fixed.


Vilggiiee
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:31:00 - [9]
 

Game is dying ... and small amount of new players come ,why ? people doesnt want to wait min ~6 months to try solo pvp and even then u can lost more or less hours to find some1 to fair fight . u can stay 24/7 in game grinding isk only ...

Tian Garsk
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:38:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Tian Garsk on 02/09/2011 16:40:28
Originally by: Vilggiiee
Game is dying ... and small amount of new players come ,why ? people doesnt want to wait min ~6 months to try solo pvp and even then u can lost more or less hours to find some1 to fair fight . u can stay 24/7 in game grinding isk only ...


I kind of agree with you there, not that the game is dying, it's a long way from that, but the lack of new subscriptionsis what i agree on.

My theory on that is becasue this game is very much a niche game, it caters to a specific type of gamer which is only realy a small corner of the market, that and the length of time the game has been running means that most people who would have played the game have tried it and not been in that niche profile or are desensitised to seeing it around and think "ah thats an old game now i want something newer".

Plus as you say it is a long slow grinding type of game (that's part of the niche market there) and a lot of people who used to play are just simply burnt out, that happens on most games to an extent but i can see it being more common here.

I might be wrong but it seems logical.


Vilggiiee
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:44:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Vilggiiee on 02/09/2011 16:44:07
Originally by: Tian Garsk
Originally by: Vilggiiee
Game is dying ... and small amount of new players come ,why ? people doesnt want to wait min ~6 months to try solo pvp and even then u can lost more or less hours to find some1 to fair fight . u can stay 24/7 in game grinding isk only ...


I kind of agree with you there, not that the game is dying, it's a long way from that, but the lack of new subscriptionsis what i agree on.

My theory on that is becasue this game is very much a niche game, it caters to a specific type of gamer which is only realy a small corner of the market, that and the length of time the game has been running means that most people who would have played the game have tried it and not been in that niche profile or are desensitised to seeing it around and think "ah thats an old game now i want something newer".

I might be wrong but it seems logical.


long ? i dont think so ... maybe 2 more expansions ,its a year ? ccp only lies about stats to keep old players in game becouse its a little addictive ,and is "sad" to leave 3-4 year (or older) char ... but as a new gamer ,what i get ? Door to WC or ugly,slow,cpu eater hq .... this game has nothing to offer atm .

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:01:00 - [12]
 

A decent discussion of numbers you probably want this thread moved to "out of pod".

In the mean time, I'll point out some inconvenient truths:

- many mmos have gone free to play (so people are trying them out)
- botting has been looked at seriously by CCP (unholy rage!)
- people that play eve don't follow the hardcore gamers philosophy (buy new every 2), they just keep the same machine for silly amounts of years as gaming rigs (it burns to work on tech older than 24 months)
- game mechanics that need changing are blocked due to fear 1% of the active population in EVE will kick up a stink
- their "piste resistance" (eve tournament ) was a farce

Now add the bugs and whatever everyone that posts their good bye love letters is complaining about and you are getting close to the one that tickles me most.

A good few people were told that the game is now run by Russian corporations and feel that they (being non-Russian) aren't wanted in the game.

I have no idea how CCP deals with a player base that's drunk the coolaid and feels disenfranchised. Just not sure them leaving is truly a loss for anyone.

Check eve kills for how I see the world.

Ships are still dying, people are still playing.

Forums are optional. Undocking should however not be and the CQ appears to agree. LOL



Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:02:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 02/09/2011 17:04:24
Quote:
people doesnt want to wait min ~6 months to try solo pvp


I think I found your problem. Wink

Also, the game has everything it always had, plus a few new wrinkles, to entertain new players. Somehow I don't think ship spinning and the ability to drag and drop cargo to your ship has the magical "new player addiction" qualities that you think they have.

Other than that, you can do anything from your NeoCom and hanger that you could in the past, you don't even have to wait for the CQ to even fully load. In fact, thanks to not needing the ship change session timer anymore, things are actually faster for many people.

Bloutok
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:07:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tian Garsk
About half of those problems are very likely at tour end to be honest.

Take for example the 900fps issue, there is no software no matter how badly coded that could physically do that to your fps as the card would have cut out end forced your machine to reboot a long time before that happened. If it did happen (and i'm very skeptical about that) it would have been a hardware issue with your GPPU core.

Lag isn't always CCP's fault, a large amount of lag is simply the internet routing between your modem and their modem, it could be caused by anything along that route, yes there is lag that is server based in EVE but to be fare it's not any worse than any other MMO out there.

Ships flying backwards? That was comical, not game breaking, and wasn't really even a bug, that was YOUR pc using cached image files, all that was needed was to clear YOUR cache.

Many of the rest can be simply associated to lag quite easily, whether it's your lag, their lag or somewhere in between is hard to determine.

I'm not saying there haven't been bugs, there have and are, but it's nowhere near as bad as people seem to make it out to be, i have seen far worse issues in other MMO's.


Ok, ok, another troll tread being trolled even harder, but explain this to me please.

Lag, if lag is having some lost packets between the client and the server, how come for at least a year i had nearly no problems, suddenly, a patch comes on and everything is blowing up right left for no reasons. Did CCP change provider or something ? or did they change the code ?

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:21:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei

I am simply stating that most of the whiners show no respect to anyone or even realize things were fixed, or the fact that at 0200 GMT this morning CCP applied hot fixes to fix problems. YA thats right ****tard they pulled an all nighter for you so you can play there game. You know what just quit and give me your stuff.

Troll quote removed. Zymurgist


While I disagree with the OP/troll, to be fair they pulled that all-nighter to fix problems they introduced earlier in the day.

KB


LightMeUpJohnny
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:27:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei

I am simply stating that most of the whiners show no respect to anyone or even realize things were fixed, or the fact that at 0200 GMT this morning CCP applied hot fixes to fix problems. YA thats right ****tard they pulled an all nighter for you so you can play there game. You know what just quit and give me your stuff.


Because CCP's testing skills are so 1337 that they don't need hot fixes at all, amirite?

Just waiting for CCP to break things and then charge us to download the "hot fix".

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:29:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei
YA thats right ****tard they pulled an all nighter for you so you can use the service you paid for

Gosh, what saints

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:33:00 - [18]
 


Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:42:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 02/09/2011 18:48:41
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: thread title
60k to 30k in one year

Bullcrap.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Daily average from early March of 2006 to end of August 2011


Regardless, of the OP claims or what a "log on" graph shows, for those of us that play SiS (Spaceships in Space), there is certainly a major down turn in player activity out side of stations in actual space.

Your little graph might show people are logging on still, but those same people are less frequently FiS (Flying in Space) and doing stuff out side of stations. I dunno maybe high sec is booming, but I can tell you that low sec & even NPC null is very dead most of the time these days along with the random PVP that used to happen there.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:47:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: thread title
60k to 30k in one year

Bullcrap.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Daily average from early March of 2006 to end of August 2011


The trend does seem to be heading downward. Its certainly not increasing at any noticeable rate.

C.


Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:51:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Black Dranzer on 02/09/2011 18:51:37
Originally by: Akita T
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

It does look like it's starting to flatten out, but things have a history of going up and down and up and down.If the downward trend continues over the next 12 months, then maybe.

Dex Ironmind
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:52:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: thread title
60k to 30k in one year

Bullcrap.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Daily average from early March of 2006 to end of August 2011


Point taken. But does this factor in/out alt accounts???

When I log in, I typically log in at least two accounts at a time. So, these can very well be inflated numbers based on alts. Most of the time, I am only really playing one account at a time.

Oh yeah... and don't forget BOT ALTS, which could account for 8+ accounts from one player who are doing nothing but ... ... ... well... that is a entirely different topic.

Dex was here. Cool

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:53:00 - [23]
 

Considering we've just gotten an overhyped but pretty crappy expansion AND considering the fact they've ramped up the anti-bot activities heavily, we're still roughly on par with the activity level right after the first big "Unholy Rage" project.
Sure, it looks like a downwards trend, but nothing even remotely approaching the OP's claim of basically halfed activity compared to one year ago.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:57:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 02/09/2011 19:29:31

Originally by: Akita T
Considering we've just gotten an overhyped but pretty crappy expansion AND considering the fact they've ramped up the anti-bot activities heavily, we're still roughly on par with the activity level right after the first big "Unholy Rage" project.
Sure, it looks like a downwards trend, but nothing even remotely approaching the OP's claim of basically halfed activity compared to one year ago.


Maybe but there is certainly a down turn even on your graph and I really don't think CCP has put that big of dent in the bot population. Added to this bots don't PVP and their leaving wouldn't explain why there is less people in space to pew pew with. (certainly they didn't go broke over night if losing their bot income)

The graph doesn't show "actual" player activity, it just show they are still logging on to talk with friends or change skill plans. Maybe a more interesting graph would be to see a comparison of space ship explosions over the same time periods. That might be a better comparison to show if those players whom are logging on are actually active.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.02 19:52:00 - [25]
 

Still plenty of people out in 0.0 to fight with.

N1gella Laws0n
Posted - 2011.09.02 20:00:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Still plenty of people out in 0.0 to fight with.


I heard that in hisec, people use alts to recruit anybody and everybody just to gank them these days.

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.09.02 21:32:00 - [27]
 

60K to 30K on one year.

Really? -Nice, CCP is cleaning the game of bots.

Ragequiters, kitty's, whatever else don't count.

Keep kicking bots CCP !! and the suckers behind them too, all of them, from the user to the entire members/owners of it's corp/alliance !!

5/20 not bad


Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.09.02 21:38:00 - [28]
 

Trending downward in a major way. Many of the oldest richest best corps in the game going inactive, and losing their vets. Population these days is back to 2008/2009 levels, not that I mind that, I wish less people played, but what this is showing is that CCP is making mistake after mistake, and their loyal long time customers are not going to continue supporting them any longer.

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.09.02 21:41:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Ethan Bejorn
...and their loyal long time customers are not going to continue supporting them any longer.


I gess you really belive the game will die if those are gone...

I think we'll have less grieffers, bots, socipaths, arrogants around and maybe this game will finaly evolve to something better.

Don't forget to send me your isk and stuff, I'll give it back to you in 6 months.

Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.09.02 21:46:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ineka
Originally by: Ethan Bejorn
...and their loyal long time customers are not going to continue supporting them any longer.


I gess you really belive the game will die if those are gone...

I think we'll have less grieffers, bots, socipaths, arrogants around and maybe this game will finaly evolve to something better.

Don't forget to send me your isk and stuff, I'll give it back to you in 6 months.


I guess you are right, and apparently CCP agrees with you. Either way, they won't be getting my $45/month.


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