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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.02 21:55:00 - [31]
 

To all the posters jumping on and defending those that speak English as a second language who do not always spell things properly, the spelling problem the OP points out probably resided within individuals that use English as a primary language. I would also hypothesize that most of those guilty of spelling ridiculous as rediculous come from the States located below the Mason Dixon Line and East of the Mississippi Wink

Originally by: Umad Bro Questionmark
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This is inconceivable!


I'm too young to get this reference.



Well, within said link there is information that will empower you so as you can find out the reference.


Slade

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2011.09.02 21:56:00 - [32]
 

Just remember...

i before e except after c.


IS still 'taught'.

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2011.09.02 22:02:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Something Random
Just remember...

i before e except after c.


IS still 'taught'.



beige, cleidoic, codeine, conscience, deify, deity, deign,
dreidel, eider, eight, either, feign, feint, feisty,
foreign, forfeit, freight, gleization, gneiss, greige,
greisen, heifer, heigh-ho, height, heinous, heir, heist,
leitmotiv, neigh, neighbor, neither, peignoir, prescient,
rein, science, seiche, seidel, seine, seismic, seize, sheik,
society, sovereign, surfeit, teiid, veil, vein, weight,
weir, weird


Rediculous Grammer
Posted - 2011.09.02 22:08:00 - [34]
 

Don't ban me bro =(

Gustav Kurvora
Posted - 2011.09.02 22:10:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Malcolm Khross
English is not only the most complicated language in the world contextually, grammatically and phonetically, it's one of few with homonyms. Really, if you want to complain about people spelling "ridiculous" as "rediculous" because people can't say "rid - ick - you - les" and instead say "ree-dic-you-less" you should also complain that the official spelling for "nay-bor" is "neighbor" and that "honor" is pronounced "on-er."


oh if only my mother language was as difficult as english...Laughing


Well, I guess it's a type of "complicated" that's easy to learn; don't know how that would work, though.

Considering there are languages without vowels or with extremely unusual phonemes. That there are languages without articles, without grammatical genders and other interesting stuff. That some languages have noun declinations while others (romance languages) have many, many prepositions. So no, english is not difficult at all.

However, there is 1 language I can think of that is even easier to learn than english, and that is esperanto.

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.02 22:14:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Something Random
Just remember...

i before e except after c.


IS still 'taught'.



beige, cleidoic, codeine, conscience, deify, deity, deign,
dreidel, eider, eight, either, feign, feint, feisty,
foreign, forfeit, freight, gleization, gneiss, greige,
greisen, heifer, heigh-ho, height, heinous, heir, heist,
leitmotiv, neigh, neighbor, neither, peignoir, prescient,
rein, science, seiche, seidel, seine, seismic, seize, sheik,
society, sovereign, surfeit, teiid, veil, vein, weight,
weir, weird




Thank you for hammering his point home Laughing


Slade

therealdhs
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.02 22:31:00 - [37]
 

That's ri****ulus

Playing Eve
Posted - 2011.09.02 22:41:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: RAW23
Az long az peeps can unnerstadn their shoodn't bee an isue.


What do delicious, marshmallow treats have to do with the issue? Question

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.09.02 23:17:00 - [39]
 

colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.

just saying

hypno toad
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.02 23:27:00 - [40]
 

Me fail English that is unpossible!

Karontin Maysubile
Posted - 2011.09.02 23:28:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Smoking Blunts
colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.

just saying


Not in Eve.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.09.02 23:46:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Karontin Maysubile
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.

just saying


Not in Eve.


well least ccp got the date system right i guess

Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.03 01:19:00 - [43]
 

LOL FAIL


Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.09.03 06:02:00 - [44]
 

I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt! See if yuor fdreins can raed tihs too.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:06:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt! See if yuor fdreins can raed tihs too.


wasnt this on a beer mat years ago?

Marchocias
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:11:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:11:54
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.


Eugh. The fact, that this Americanism means literally the opposite of whats intended, breaks my soul.

Originally by: Smoking Blunts
colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.

just saying


It really ought to be year/month/day.

Lyrrashae
Minmatar
Crushed Ambitions
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:16:00 - [47]
 

Pen1s.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:17:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Marchocias
Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:11:54
Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.


Eugh. The fact, that this Americanism means literally the opposite of whats intended, breaks my soul.

Originally by: Smoking Blunts
colour and armour both have u's. also its day/month/year.

just saying


It really ought to be year/month/day.


i could live with year/month/day, dont get month/day/year seams very backwards.

Marchocias
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:37:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:37:12
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
i could live with year/month/day, dont get month/day/year seams very backwards.

Exactly.

Basically, ascending or descending order of magnitude is acceptable (I prefer descending, as then date and time are treated the same), but having a random order is just illogical.

Marchocias
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:41:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:46:32
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Something Random
Just remember...

i before e except after c.


IS still 'taught'.



beige, cleidoic, codeine, conscience, deify, deity, deign,
dreidel, eider, eight, either, feign, feint, feisty,
foreign, forfeit, freight, gleization, gneiss, greige,
greisen, heifer, heigh-ho, height, heinous, heir, heist,
leitmotiv, neigh, neighbor, neither, peignoir, prescient,
rein, science, seiche, seidel, seine, seismic, seize, sheik,
society, sovereign, surfeit, teiid, veil, vein, weight,
weir, weird




I'm pretty sure its actually:
"I before E except after C, when the sound is EE."

Which only leaves the following exceptions from your list:
codeine, leitmotiv, prescient, seidel, seize,

Note:
1) Codeine didn't exist when that rule was invented - it seems a bit harsh to judge
ill of the rule, when some scientist has just gone and made something up without
consulting an English teacher.
2) I'm pretty sure prescient doesn't count, as both vowels are sounded individually.
3) Not sure how seidel is pronounced, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt.


Master Ventris
Rogue Pioneers
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:51:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Smoking Blunts
i could live with year/month/day, dont get month/day/year seams very backwards.


How about 246.11.M3 and then just bin off the pagan calendar and be done with it?

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:58:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Umad Bro Questionmark
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This is inconceivable!


I'm too young to get this reference.



I'm extremely annoyed he beat me to it tbh. Crying or Very sad

Cebraio
Posted - 2011.09.03 12:13:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Cebraio on 03/09/2011 12:48:06
Edited by: Cebraio on 03/09/2011 12:16:05
Originally by: Marchocias
Edited by: Marchocias on 03/09/2011 11:46:32
Originally by: KaarBaak
Originally by: Something Random
Just remember...

i before e except after c.


IS still 'taught'.



beige, cleidoic, codeine, conscience, deify, deity, deign,
dreidel, eider, eight, either, feign, feint, feisty,
foreign, forfeit, freight, gleization, gneiss, greige,
greisen, heifer, heigh-ho, height, heinous, heir, heist,
leitmotiv, neigh, neighbor, neither, peignoir, prescient,
rein, science, seiche, seidel, seine, seismic, seize, sheik,
society, sovereign, surfeit, teiid, veil, vein, weight,
weir, weird




I'm pretty sure its actually:
"I before E except after C, when the sound is EE."

Which only leaves the following exceptions from your list:
codeine, leitmotiv, prescient, seidel, seize,

Note:
1) Codeine didn't exist when that rule was invented - it seems a bit harsh to judge
ill of the rule, when some scientist has just gone and made something up without
consulting an English teacher.
2) I'm pretty sure prescient doesn't count, as both vowels are sounded individually.
3) Not sure how seidel is pronounced, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt.



4) Leitmotiv is actually a German word and you got the "ei" in that one right (for once), so I wouldn't count it as a contradiction in English.
3) I didn't know Seidel, but according to a dictionary it's probably also derived from German and written the same way.
5) Edit: Seize is from French Origin, where it has the same "ei" combination.

That completes these 5.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.09.03 13:12:00 - [54]
 

I want to mention that English is only my third language and so hasn't caught my attention as my native language nor my second choice.

There is also another problem that a large proportion of English is corrupted by American programs on TV making it even easier to make a common language mistake worse.
English and American have actually become two different languages ​​with a common basics in the passt.

People who like to point out mistakes in English are often enough purists in English or American, and when all is said and done I can always say that my english / american is still better than their actual knowledge of my two main languages​​.

CCP keeps forgetting that english / american isn't the native language for a lot of people playing EVE and that in fact there are a lot of people playing MMO's which just love to game and chat in their own languages and if need be try to do as good as possible in a language they normally don't care for.

Example: Most english spoken movies get dubbed into german in germany. Do you really think they do that because people already know enough english?
Same happens in france, spain etc.
There are only a few rare occassions that a countries TV stations don't keep resorting to dubbing into their own language. i.e. Netherlands

So please stop worshipping the english language as an overall language and accept it's main use is in trades and negotiations. If the language were that valuable then governments would see to it that a larger chunk of movies weren't dubbed into french, german or swahili.

Nex apparatu5
Posted - 2011.09.03 13:59:00 - [55]
 

I have no problem with those who speak English as a second or third language. If you already speak other languages, that's a fair enough excuse.

I have a problem with all the Americans who spek liek thizzz becuz ther ghetto or are just bad at spelling.

And to add to the easily confused words, like to, too, two, we had to learn one in school that always made me hate people.

Teach and learn. Apparently there are Americans who think that "He learned me math" is a proper sentence.


Erinyes Nazgul
Posted - 2011.09.03 15:19:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.

I'd like the class to step back and observe the brilliance of this post. Subtle. Poignant. ...and funny as hell. Very Happy

That, friends, is a master at work. Take notes.

electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.09.03 15:36:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
This is inconceivable!


You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Harbinger Kyr
Posted - 2011.09.03 15:44:00 - [58]
 

Pronunciation only matters to the extent of understanding what a person is trying to convey. as long as you understand what the word is, it doesn't matter.
Sure, it's annoying, but srsly, you made a post about it on a gaming forum? the forum is about Eve, not people's inability to give a rat's ass as to whether or not they can speak correctly. Internet.

inexistin
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
Posted - 2011.09.03 22:34:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Harbinger Kyr
Sure, it's annoying, but srsly, you made a post about it on a gaming forum? the forum is about Eve, not people's inability to give a rat's ass as to whether or not they can speak correctly. Internet.


This thread = Trolling at it's finest; two pages of it actually. And each and every post made me lol (well, those I actually read, not skimmed through).

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.03 22:59:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
I really could care less about grammer.


obviously not as it's grammar.


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