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Living Dead Girl
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:05:00 - [1]
 

I just started eve and dl'd the patch, only to find theres ALREADY an optional patch to fix **** CCP botched?


Seriously, whats the point of sisi CCP?



Rolling Eyes

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:09:00 - [2]
 

Seriously, whats the point of sisi CCP?



Rolling Eyes


It's where the bears pew with no points or ewar dunchaknow!

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:15:00 - [3]
 

Here lets give everyone a little education in software development.

Class is now in session guys.


NOTHING EVER WORKS AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO!!!!

If it did, why do i have to update windows on a regular basis?

Why to i have to update steam on a regular basis?

Why do my other games have patches on a regular basis?

There are always unforseen circumstances when developing software. Just too bad most people here are too stupid to realize this.

OP - just be thankful that they were pretty fast on some of these fixes, CCP could have just called it a day at 6 pm. But is is now 2:12 am in Iceland and the devs are pulling an all nighter to fix bugs, as evidenced by this new emergency reboot. SO please STFU and go pod yourself back to an alpha clone.

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:17:00 - [4]
 

Quote:
CCP could have just called it a day at 6 pm. But is is now 2:12 am in Iceland and the devs are pulling an all nighter to fix bugs


+1 well spotted!

PS: Still won't stop the cry-babies though. They want cookies as well. Delivered to their room at mom's house.

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:18:00 - [5]
 

Seriously, what's the point of CCP?

Forum Worrier
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:20:00 - [6]
 

Welcome to the mature and intelligent MMO.

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:22:00 - [7]
 

Quote:
Seriously, what's the point of CCP?


Question of the week!!

CCP is saving some other poor devs in some other MMORG busting their ring while being stabbed repeatedly by children.

And... You'd have nowhere to rant needlessly either.






Living Dead Girl
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:22:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei
Here lets give everyone a little education in software development.

Class is now in session guys.


NOTHING EVER WORKS AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO!!!!

If it did, why do i have to update windows on a regular basis?

Why to i have to update steam on a regular basis?

Why do my other games have patches on a regular basis?

There are always unforseen circumstances when developing software. Just too bad most people here are too stupid to realize this.

OP - just be thankful that they were pretty fast on some of these fixes, CCP could have just called it a day at 6 pm. But is is now 2:12 am in Iceland and the devs are pulling an all nighter to fix bugs, as evidenced by this new emergency reboot. SO please STFU and go pod yourself back to an alpha clone.



thank you for the information. however when bugs are in the code on sisi for awhile, reported repeatedly, EASILY reproduced, and still make it live? really?

I am VERY thankful of the quick fixes, and have played MMO's for well over a decade now. im quite familiar with the usual "patch day snafus"


its just some of this stuff just has me scratching my head and questioning some of the testing that actually GETS done on code before it goes live.

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:26:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
Does insulting people with valid concerns make you feel special?


Kids starving in Africa is VALID.
Terrorism is VALID.
The state of the economy is VALID.

A glitch in an **OPTIONAL** **GAME** is NOT VALID.

SupaKudoRio
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:30:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei
There are always unforseen circumstances when developing software.


And for this reason it is utterly inexcusable for core features to not have been tested before rolling out an update. Has Steam ever needed an emergency update because they broke launching games? Have any of your games had an issue after an update where they regularly corrupt saves (Obsidian aside, they are almost as incompetent as CCP)?

CCP broke switching ships (wherein skills aren't applied and stuff gets offlined). This is something they should have noticed JUST FROM LAUNCHING THE GAME AND PRODDING IT FOR FIVE MINUTES.

Looks like you forgot to read up on the next lesson: Q&A.

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:37:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Si Omega
What, you couldn't just add to all the other whining posts? You had to start a new one?

ffs ppl, grow up!!


what you just HAD to add to the whining about whining?
ff plz grow up!!

Whining at whining is necessary, so the whiners know that they're nothing but little whiners!
And did you just need to whine about whiners whining at whiners?

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:39:00 - [12]
 

Yep. Way I figure, if the forum starts giving the trolls, sooks, cry-babies and spoiled brats as much **** as they expect they can dish out with impunity, they might gtfo and go play some other MMO.

That way the people who LIKE EVE and UNDERSTAND PATCHING/UPDATES and RECOGNISE ECONOMICAL IMPERIVATIVES might get to enjoy the forums, the game and the people in it.

Yeah. I'm mad. I need my retalin. I LIKE CCP and what they do. Get over it.

supersexysucker
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:42:00 - [13]
 

Makes it seem like they are trying to find bugs... when in fact... they aint...

Anyone see if the orca eploits been fixed?

What about being able to loot and get no aggro...

rofl...

sisi is PR nothing more.

Comy 1
Ore Mongers
Indecisive Certainty
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:46:00 - [14]
 

I would actually be happy if CCP just went ahead and said:

"Screw you haters, we are done taking crap from you. EVE is down, closed, FOREVER. Go play WoW you ****s"

On top of that I really hope all whiners would feel some satisfaction in knowing that every whine post they made helped CCP make this decision.

Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:47:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Quote:
Does insulting people with valid concerns make you feel special?


Kids starving in Africa is VALID.
Terrorism is VALID.
The state of the economy is VALID.

A glitch in an **OPTIONAL** **GAME** is NOT VALID.



Except this isn't a forum about African children, terrorism, or the real-world economy.

It is a general discussion forum about a video game. People are discussing their views about that video game. Some of those views will be negative.

Perhaps you should find a different forum.

Living Dead Girl
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:51:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Yep. Way I figure, if the forum starts giving the trolls, sooks, cry-babies and spoiled brats as much **** as they expect they can dish out with impunity, they might gtfo and go play some other MMO.

That way the people who LIKE EVE and UNDERSTAND PATCHING/UPDATES and RECOGNISE ECONOMICAL IMPERIVATIVES might get to enjoy the forums, the game and the people in it.

Yeah. I'm mad. I need my retalin. I LIKE CCP and what they do. Get over it.



I like eve myself...well, let me be honest. i love this game. point blank. I quietly watched as a portion of the playerbase raged at incarna, and the coming of the NeX store. I personally have no use for incarna at the present, and the "rushed to the shelves" feel of it has left me with a sour taste in my mouth. The NeX, i REALLY don't like it, but it doesn't impact my gameplay, and as long as im not getting popped by 3 day old characters flying golden machs I'll live. CCP is a business after all. It's aim is to make profit for its shareholders, and itself.

My concern is that its becoming (at least to me) more and more apparent over time that CCP has lost its passion for EVE, much in the way a child does for an old toy as soon as he/she gets new toys. When i started playing i accepted the harsh learning curve and MASSIVE time investment required because i got the distinct impression that CCP had just as much passion for their creation as the players themselves.

I am simply voicing my concern over the (again, in my opinion) sloppy work i've seen from CCP as of late. forgive me if you think of me as a crybaby/spoiled brat/ect. You'll live, i promise.

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.02 03:08:00 - [17]
 

Quote:
Except this isn't a forum about African children, terrorism, or the real-world economy.

It is a general discussion forum about a video game. People are discussing their views about that video game. Some of those views will be negative.

Perhaps you should find a different forum.


Perhaps you re-read and consider the context of my post.

Regardless, I thank you for taking the time to point out your view about my view about his view about a video game on a video game forum.


Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.09.02 03:21:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: SupaKudoRio
Originally by: Ai Mei
There are always unforseen circumstances when developing software.


And for this reason it is utterly inexcusable for core features to not have been tested before rolling out an update. Has Steam ever needed an emergency update because they broke launching games? Have any of your games had an issue after an update where they regularly corrupt saves (Obsidian aside, they are almost as incompetent as CCP)?

CCP broke switching ships (wherein skills aren't applied and stuff gets offlined). This is something they should have noticed JUST FROM LAUNCHING THE GAME AND PRODDING IT FOR FIVE MINUTES.

Looks like you forgot to read up on the next lesson: Q&A.


There was that 2 day period that even if you were connected to steam you couldn't play games because it said I was not logged onto steam. It was like ok I'm connected online and can see internet games, but cannot connect to them because im not logged on.

Urgg Boolean
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:45:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Urgg Boolean on 02/09/2011 05:49:53
Originally by: Ai Mei
<snip>There are always unforseen [sic] circumstances when developing software. Just too bad most people here are too stupid to realize this.<snip>

Yes. The unforeseen is a problem in any complex environment. Nobody is complaining about weird and rare bugs that pop up if playing drunk on a Wednesday when the moon is in the 7th house.

Valid criticism is based upon the rampant errors and blatantly poor patching process which are simply not defensible if assessed by professional standards. CCP creates new problems every time they patch. Some get fixed. Some stay as "features". The cumulative result is a pronounced and unabated trend toward abominable quality overall.

Stupid people? CCP does have some very smart techogeeks. Read the blog about CarbonIO and BlueNet and how they fake out the GIL to gain efficiencies - high powered stuff. But, where are these smart guys during the patch cycle ?

*fixed formatting error

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.09.02 07:53:00 - [20]
 

yeah after work i downloaded a patch that took like 30 seconds, i hold ccp responsible for such onerous hardship arrgghh

CCP Fallout

Posted - 2011.09.02 10:15:00 - [21]
 

Client updates are patches that may add new things or fix issues that did not have a chance to make it into the final build (a build can take a while to make). It is not uncommon for any game company to issue such client updates in association with a large patch.

Sir Hillary
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:11:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: SupaKudoRio
Originally by: Ai Mei
There are always unforseen circumstances when developing software.


And for this reason it is utterly inexcusable for core features to not have been tested before rolling out an update. Has Steam ever needed an emergency update because they broke launching games? Have any of your games had an issue after an update where they regularly corrupt saves (Obsidian aside, they are almost as incompetent as CCP)?

CCP broke switching ships (wherein skills aren't applied and stuff gets offlined). This is something they should have noticed JUST FROM LAUNCHING THE GAME AND PRODDING IT FOR FIVE MINUTES.

Looks like you forgot to read up on the next lesson: Q&A.


Just because it's easy to spot, and what's going wrong seems to be obvious, doesn't mean it's easy to find and fix. It's not a massive game breaker (and I speak as a Ninja who lives and dies on my ability to swap ships in space), more of an annoyance, and not the sort of thing you want Devs spending too much time on if there are other things to worry about. You get the release out the door, then concentrate on these sorts of issues. I've just put out a release with the company I work for with a similar level of issue in it. Yeah it ****ed the customer off a bit (because everything that isn't perfect ****es off the customer), but they can live with it for a week while we fix it. Better that than shipping late.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:16:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Client updates are patches that may add new things or fix issues that did not have a chance to make it into the final build (a build can take a while to make). It is not uncommon for any game company to issue such client updates in association with a large patch.


From Wikipedia:

A patch is a piece of software designed to fix problems with, or update a computer program or its supporting data. This includes fixing security vulnerabilities and other bugs, and improving the usability or performance.

Though meant to fix problems, poorly designed patches can sometimes introduce new problems (see software regressions).

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:22:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Quote:
CCP could have just called it a day at 6 pm. But is is now 2:12 am in Iceland and the devs are pulling an all nighter to fix bugs


+1 well spotted!

PS: Still won't stop the cry-babies though. They want cookies as well. Delivered to their room at mom's house.
I think people view situations according to their tastes most of the time. Put enough of those individuals in a room... And you get the idea.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:25:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ai Mei
Here lets give everyone a little education in software development.

Class is now in session guys.


NOTHING EVER WORKS AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO!!!!


Especially when you ignore multiple reports of the same bug from the test server and just go ahead and launch anyway Rolling Eyes

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:46:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Client updates are patches that may add new things or fix issues that did not have a chance to make it into the final build (a build can take a while to make). It is not uncommon for any game company to issue such client updates in association with a large patch.


In case that some reader was born yesterday, I may clarify that delivering a "release" build with a godawful bug that has been known for months at the "test" build, and which accidentally cripples one of the two only ingame features of the release, is NOT common at all.

Also, telling your customers that you already know the bug and are working on it so this is why you released it in all its glory is what they call a joke there in Iceland.

N'oah
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:54:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Client updates are patches that may add new things or fix issues that did not have a chance to make it into the final build (a build can take a while to make). It is not uncommon for any game company to issue such client updates in association with a large patch.


In case that some reader was born yesterday, I may clarify that delivering a "release" build with a godawful bug that has been known for months at the "test" build, and which accidentally cripples one of the two only ingame features of the release, is NOT common at all.

Also, telling your customers that you already know the bug and are working on it so this is why you released it in all its glory is what they call a joke there in Iceland.


What did the patch do though? More clothes in NEX store?

Nominh Ehre
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:57:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: N'oah
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Client updates are patches that may add new things or fix issues that did not have a chance to make it into the final build (a build can take a while to make). It is not uncommon for any game company to issue such client updates in association with a large patch.


In case that some reader was born yesterday, I may clarify that delivering a "release" build with a godawful bug that has been known for months at the "test" build, and which accidentally cripples one of the two only ingame features of the release, is NOT common at all.

Also, telling your customers that you already know the bug and are working on it so this is why you released it in all its glory is what they call a joke there in Iceland.


What did the patch do though? More clothes in NEX store?


Edit: oh sorry, we can see drone stats now. wow. after so many years..

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:42:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Living Dead Girl
I just started eve and dl'd the patch, only to find theres ALREADY an optional patch to fix **** CCP botched?


Seriously, whats the point of sisi CCP?



Rolling Eyes


Whats the big deal with a patch? The eve patches install well each time. I don't understand this complaint.

Now Itunes that is a crock. They want to update every other day and then in the middle of the install the whole thing locks up. I think CCP does a very good job on making it easy to install patches.

Herr Wilkus
Posted - 2011.09.05 23:59:00 - [30]
 

Most companies beta test with their customer base. Sad but true.

CCP, on the other hand, only asks for bug reports to fool people into thinking there is somebody actually awake at the command center. Pro. Rolling Eyes


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