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mentalkiller
Catervatim
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:02:00 - [1]
 

Don't get me wrong, I've been always a noob ever since I started playing eve, but I remember I saw like 3 years ago a population of above 45k players online and I thought this game would reach 100k by the coming years, but that didn't happen. I like the changes but the good ones happened some expansions ago.

Now this is a serious question, just imagine EVE has been doing good, just as they did back from 2003 to 2007, and don't take into account the Captain Quarters expansion:

What do you think that the population will be like by 2014?
I can't throw a number because of the recent changes, but I'd say 35k

Note: I'm talking about the concurrent online players

Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:04:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: mentalkiller
Don't get me wrong, I've been always a noob ever since I started playing eve, but I remember I saw like 3 years ago a population of above 45k players online and I thought this game would reach 100k by the coming years, but that didn't happen. I like the changes but the good ones happened some expansions ago.

Now this is a serious question, just imagine EVE has been doing good, just as they did back from 2003 to 2007, and don't take into account the Captain Quarters expansion:

What do you think that the population will be like by 2014?
I can't throw a number because of the recent changes, but I'd say 35k

Note: I'm talking about the concurrent online players


We are already at 30k average, expect not more than 15k online come 2014.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:05:00 - [3]
 

It does seem that US TZ seems to have gone downhill a lot. The EU TZ still sees somewhat high numbers, however it is still a little lower then previously and for being shortly after a expansion.

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:06:00 - [4]
 

By 2014? Should see the dust bomb come and go, and more than likely remaining growing pains from Carbon floundering. 15-20k.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:07:00 - [5]
 

As long as CCP focuses on revolving the door faster ie: ignoring its BASE, and just not giving a **** about retaining players ... you'll see us at this stagnation point.

The game now is exposure. A little bit of something for everyone, just so they try it for a couple months and tell some friends about it. Doesn't matter if they leave in 6 months, we'll have new shiny stuff to draw in people in 6 months.

At the end of the day people will realize MOST MECHANICAL ASPECTS OF THE GAME are half finished and any fix to the game takes not months but YEARS for ccp to address let alone implement. And since CCP is not in the business of making eve anymore (they do not support their flagship game, they just dont. not by any reasonable definition of the term) well they have to sell the game another way.

Revolve that door. Faster and faster and faster.

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:07:00 - [6]
 

this should answer some of your questions

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:23:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ethan Bejorn
Originally by: mentalkiller
Don't get me wrong, I've been always a noob ever since I started playing eve, but I remember I saw like 3 years ago a population of above 45k players online and I thought this game would reach 100k by the coming years, but that didn't happen. I like the changes but the good ones happened some expansions ago.

Now this is a serious question, just imagine EVE has been doing good, just as they did back from 2003 to 2007, and don't take into account the Captain Quarters expansion:

What do you think that the population will be like by 2014?
I can't throw a number because of the recent changes, but I'd say 35k

Note: I'm talking about the concurrent online players


We are already at 30k average, expect not more than 15k online come 2014.
8000 actual players running alts.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:25:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 02/09/2011 02:27:26
Quote:
For those wondering what the percentage in EVE's growth was for +60 days after Incarna's release? Before I normalized it, it was up a bit. After normalization, the true number is -0.2%. The normalized +30 day number changes from the -1.8% I published on July 20 to +0.1%. In short, either there's been no growth from Incarna, or any growth has been neutralized by unsubs caused by this summer's dramas.
As a matter of fact, what struck me the most about the new, normalized chart, was the 30-day rolling average for the last 30 months.
That number on February 22, 2009: 29,113.
The same number on August 22, 2011, 30 months later: 29,841.
The short spike of new players after Incursion was released aside, that's a difference of 2.4%. In 30 months.
That's not a curve. That's a flat-line. "Stagnant" doesn't even begin to cover this. Bet you money, Hilmar has charts that looks very much like these two on his office wall somewhere, right now. It's got to be one of the biggest things on his mind, if not the biggest.



eew

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:03:00 - [9]
 

remember that we don't have access to the correct data.

Subscriptions are what will worry management/investors.

If the subscriptions are looking good, they couldn't care less about activity.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:13:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
remember that we don't have access to the correct data.

Subscriptions are what will worry management/investors.

If the subscriptions are looking good, they couldn't care less about activity.


This is the sad truth. Also sale of monocles.

CCP has made it clear in the communications to us (or the lack of) that they only really care about money, not quality anymore. Kinda funny when Hilmar applauded the sale of monocles in that leaked mail.

'excellence' indeed.

Sora De'Quasar
Minmatar
Cosmodynamics
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:29:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Sora De''Quasar on 02/09/2011 10:30:01
wierd, when i'm usually online I see 30K-42K online... guess it depandes on the time you log in. Confused

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:43:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 02/09/2011 10:43:43
Originally by: Sora De'Quasar
Edited by: Sora De''Quasar on 02/09/2011 10:30:01
wierd, when i'm usually online I see 30K-42K online... guess it depandes on the time you log in. Confused


it used to be that, now every time I log in regardlessog time its 25k

17k now lol

Command 00
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:45:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Soma Khan
this should answer some of your questions


realy read this b4 posting anthing

Admiral Rufus
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:47:00 - [14]
 

CCP forgot what eve was meant to be and numbers have suffered as a result, the game is dying, there is no doubt about that and the sad fact is that if they were to roll back to apocophyra then the hardcore eve players that ccp abandoned might come back and help numbers climb again. All the CQ stuff is killing the game which is supposed to be about spaceships, not barbie in space

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:51:00 - [15]
 

Most I have seen recently when I have been logged in is 38k, the least was 13k. I log in at various times of the day depending on where I am in the world. EVE time 00:00 - 04:00 is the lowest from what I have seen. In my base system (0.5) near lo/null I see maybe 1 player pass through in an evening.

Regardless of amount of subscriptions, if the server population gets too low then it will only serve to accelerate the decline as there won't be anybody left to play with except bots. I can't see people signing up (or sticking around) for a 'dead' game.

As it is I have about 4 hours left on this sub and have cancelled it, although I still have a few PLEXs somewhere in my assets I won't be applying them at the moment. Down to one account left now with 4 months still remaining, so hopefully something improves in that time, although Carrier 5 is a good skill to have queued...

Tirane Merkator
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:54:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Tirane Merkator on 02/09/2011 10:55:12
Edited by: Tirane Merkator on 02/09/2011 10:54:26
Originally by: Admiral Rufus
CCP forgot what eve was meant to be and numbers have suffered as a result, the game is dying, there is no doubt about that and the sad fact is that if they were to roll back to apocophyra then the hardcore eve players that ccp abandoned might come back and help numbers climb again. All the CQ stuff is killing the game which is supposed to be about spaceships, not barbie in space


This is what i don't get. I started the game about 1.5 Months ago and did the trial about 3 months ago before incarna came... First thing i did was deactivate CQ because it loaded longer and i opened the nex shop exactly once for a giggle and closed it again. i find it crappy and i dont need it BUT it doesn't impair my playing at all.

why can't you people just ignore it and let the barbielovers have their thing? it doesn't impair your playing in any way unless they will bring items in which will alter skills or whatever but i doubt they would do that.

just ignore the cq and nex store and you still have the awesome game you played for so long...

edit: i don't want to get personal here, it could be that i am missing some key alterations because i am a new player...

edit2: coming from europe i never saw below 20k and max i saw was 45k i believe.

Sora De'Quasar
Minmatar
Cosmodynamics
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:59:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Tirane Merkator
Edited by: Tirane Merkator on 02/09/2011 10:55:12
Edited by: Tirane Merkator on 02/09/2011 10:54:26
Originally by: Admiral Rufus
CCP forgot what eve was meant to be and numbers have suffered as a result, the game is dying, there is no doubt about that and the sad fact is that if they were to roll back to apocophyra then the hardcore eve players that ccp abandoned might come back and help numbers climb again. All the CQ stuff is killing the game which is supposed to be about spaceships, not barbie in space


This is what i don't get. I started the game about 1.5 Months ago and did the trial about 3 months ago before incarna came... First thing i did was deactivate CQ because it loaded longer and i opened the nex shop exactly once for a giggle and closed it again. i find it crappy and i dont need it BUT it doesn't impair my playing at all.

why can't you people just ignore it and let the barbielovers have their thing? it doesn't impair your playing in any way unless they will bring items in which will alter skills or whatever but i doubt they would do that.

just ignore the cq and nex store and you still have the awesome game you played for so long...

edit: i don't want to get personal here, it could be that i am missing some key alterations because i am a new player...

edit2: coming from europe i never saw below 20k and max i saw was 45k i believe.


yeah its cuz of the bugs you still dont encounter since your quite new...

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 02/09/2011 10:43:43
Originally by: Sora De'Quasar
Edited by: Sora De''Quasar on 02/09/2011 10:30:01
wierd, when i'm usually online I see 30K-42K online... guess it depandes on the time you log in. Confused


it used to be that, now every time I log in regardlessog time its 25k

17k now lol


Guess I'm loging in usually in the high peek time, which is around 8pm eve time... and on the weekends Rolling Eyes. this might mean that there are more players in europe...

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:07:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tirane Merkator
Edited by: Tirane Merkator on 02/09/2011 10:55:12
Edited by: Tirane Merkator on 02/09/2011 10:54:26
Originally by: Admiral Rufus
CCP forgot what eve was meant to be and numbers have suffered as a result, the game is dying, there is no doubt about that and the sad fact is that if they were to roll back to apocophyra then the hardcore eve players that ccp abandoned might come back and help numbers climb again. All the CQ stuff is killing the game which is supposed to be about spaceships, not barbie in space


This is what i don't get. I started the game about 1.5 Months ago and did the trial about 3 months ago before incarna came... First thing i did was deactivate CQ because it loaded longer and i opened the nex shop exactly once for a giggle and closed it again. i find it crappy and i dont need it BUT it doesn't impair my playing at all.

why can't you people just ignore it and let the barbielovers have their thing? it doesn't impair your playing in any way unless they will bring items in which will alter skills or whatever but i doubt they would do that.

just ignore the cq and nex store and you still have the awesome game you played for so long...

edit: i don't want to get personal here, it could be that i am missing some key alterations because i am a new player...

edit2: coming from europe i never saw below 20k and max i saw was 45k i believe.


It's the rather sizable amount of bugs that aren't getting fixed, the neglect of many many features that have been added 50% or 75% complete like Faction Warfare, the Sovereignty system, Hybrid balancing, bugs with drone behaviour and so on that have been p1ssing people off over the last 2+ years. CCCP are also developing 2 other games, for which eve seems to be a testing ground, and using their live environment to test it. Now we have the current patch which added a stupid bug with offlining modules when you change ships that had been present on the test server for months and was widely known, yet the patch was still released. There are also a whole host of performance issues with Incarna that have been talked about ad nauseum elsewhere.

Faith Sunstrider
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:09:00 - [19]
 

I don't know about you, but since I started to play one year ago I found a job and can't play in the work days as I was used to.

Butzewutze
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:12:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Butzewutze on 02/09/2011 11:17:02
Originally by: Tirane Merkator
Edited by: Tirane Merkator on 02/09/2011 10:55:12
Edited by: Tirane Merkator on 02/09/2011 10:54:26
Originally by: Admiral Rufus
CCP forgot what eve was meant to be and numbers have suffered as a result, the game is dying, there is no doubt about that and the sad fact is that if they were to roll back to apocophyra then the hardcore eve players that ccp abandoned might come back and help numbers climb again. All the CQ stuff is killing the game which is supposed to be about spaceships, not barbie in space


This is what i don't get. I started the game about 1.5 Months ago and did the trial about 3 months ago before incarna came... First thing i did was deactivate CQ because it loaded longer and i opened the nex shop exactly once for a giggle and closed it again. i find it crappy and i dont need it BUT it doesn't impair my playing at all.

why can't you people just ignore it and let the barbielovers have their thing? it doesn't impair your playing in any way unless they will bring items in which will alter skills or whatever but i doubt they would do that.

just ignore the cq and nex store and you still have the awesome game you played for so long...

edit: i don't want to get personal here, it could be that i am missing some key alterations because i am a new player...



edit2: coming from europe i never saw below 20k and max i saw was 45k i believe.


You play since 1,5 months. Imagine you are playing for 5 years and get ****ed in the face by ccp every patch. Their standards are so low compared to other companies on the open market and they call that "excellence". I for my part, never played a game before where the developers seem to have absolutely no clue where to go with their development and where "new and exciting" features are pure crap after release and never get touched again afterwards. Enough is enough.

Milken Gekko
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:17:00 - [21]
 

LOADING

Rikku Ugly
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:28:00 - [22]
 

Some Americans lost their jobs or are working overtime so they stay employed...

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:43:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tirane Merkator
why can't you people just ignore it and let the barbielovers have their thing?

because CCP won't let us ignore that part of the game for long

they made it very clear that the option to disable loading the station environment is only temporary and will be removed in the future

they told us about their plans to tie the trade and consumation of boosters into CQ/Establishments

NeX items have social value - if nobody plays with CQ enabled they are worth far less than when everybody can see them. Why buy a pair of boots that all your corpmates won't be able to see? It would be stupid for CCP not to force you into CQ eventually.

It is only a matter of time until we will be pushed/forced to use CQ - either because the option to opt out will be deactivated or because features that impact EVE's Flying-in-Space part will be CQ-only.

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:50:00 - [24]
 

Since I've been playing EVE Online the summer is always like this. People go on holiday and do stuff outside of EVE Online. Holidays are coming to an end, we should get a better idea over the coming weeks and months. I'm not saying there is no evidence to support lower active player numbers, but there are other factors which can effect this coming from within the game, not just CCP fails.

Fouljin
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:17:00 - [25]
 

I can't wait till the players online is only 1, ME! Then all ORE in the universe shall be mine!

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:21:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 02/09/2011 12:22:23
Originally by: Flynn Fetladral
Since I've been playing EVE Online the summer is always like this.
…except that the numbers do not agree with you. Summer usually increase the number of players, both because they have more free time to play and because there's usually a patch that boosts the numbers. This summer, the numbers did — as usual — increase when people started to have time off, but then dipped because of the patch… which is pretty much a first.

What we're seeing now, though, is not that: we're seeing the standard dip that happens when people go back to work/school at the end of summer. It's just that it comes on top of the unusual and significant drop that was caused by the release of Incarna, and that depresses the numbers (much) lower than one would have expected.

Billy Endashi
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:33:00 - [27]
 

Scrub incarna, bring back station spinning. introduce t3 battleships & frigs. the people will come.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:38:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Ciar Meara on 02/09/2011 12:38:08
Fix FW and introduce something fancy like smallholding and modular starbases and they will flock to the CCP banner.

KING OF THE NORTH!

N'oah
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:43:00 - [29]
 

Eve was more fun when you logged in, saw 3000 people online and thought, oh, almost new record.

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:50:00 - [30]
 

There's always less activity in summer, but there's no question that Eve's Growth rate has been slowing down to almost nothing for two years or a bit more.

Rueurning from a two years pause, I am dispapoointed that when I go pvp, the only diffrence I see in ship types is less megathrons and more tengus. That when I pve on my high-sec alt, there's not a single mission I haven't already done countless times long before.

Eve stopped growing when CCP stopped expanding on the "highway" that most everyone use, and instead created lateral small roads (Faction warfaire, incursions, wormholes, PI) that only a small fraction of the playerbase really use.


It's a rule in any MMO. If you don't include new content on a regular basis, you're bound to know stagnation, then regression.


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