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Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:42:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Technically the only thing that this patch proves is that CCP is set in their ways.


Which is a good thing, because I'd hate to see what would happen if they actually listened to the ragers over here in GD.


They wouldnt be killing the game for 80% of the players for one

menolikeyyou Hucel-Ge
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:51:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Flamespar
Wow. Another person makes a bunch of sweeping claims without the evidence to back it up.

Half the problem with EVE is the sheer toxicity of some of the members of it's community.

I can post on a forum, therefor a speak for everyone in EVE.


WHere's the evidence from CCP to the contrary? Where is a commitment to launch new content/expansions.etc? without information assumptions can be taken as fact unless refuted by evidence...

Tuggboat
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:20:00 - [63]
 

What kind of sane thinking takes assumptions as facts until proven otherwise? especially false ones?

LordSpock
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:58:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Tuggboat
What kind of sane thinking takes assumptions as facts until proven otherwise? especially false ones?


Probably the same sane thinking entity that considers people guilty unless proven otherwise.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.03 03:39:00 - [65]
 

Umm - all the stuff in my list has rather obvious evidence.

Tuggboat
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.03 04:18:00 - [66]
 

Ghoest I like you, I can probably help you. Some people feel better by accepting help from a paid professional rather than advice on the street. I can't check my balance on a toon without a face but if you deposit isk into my account you will feel better.

So what makes you think EVE is no longer in active development? you say the evidence is obvious. We've had a few patches fixing bugs and a hotfix. Seems like there's plenty of activity. I could point to some patch notes as evidence in conflict with your assumption if you asked. Perhaps its development is not meeting your expectations. can you do me a favor and count the issues addressed in incarna and its patches? Its gettin late here so maybe we can pick this up again. I think its information portal that you look for developer blogs.

Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:47:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
The API upgrade, while not directly influencing your spaceship is a pretty nice upgrade to EVE. I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there. I have always had the problem of jumping into the wrong ship... These both came out in the Incarna 1.1 patch Very Happy


Thread cleaned of trolling posts.


API upgrades are not going to save your game. INTERNET SPACE SHIP CONTENT, BALANCES, AND FIXES are your only hope. You see there is a problem with your subs and your income, LISTEN TO US, we know what we are talking about, and we pay your salary.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.03 17:24:00 - [68]
 

And miraculously Mittens shows up to claim he has now grown some balls.

Deryk Kyeld
Veteran Defense Initiative
Posted - 2011.09.03 18:07:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Deryk Kyeld on 03/09/2011 18:07:34
Originally by: Ghoest
Umm - all the stuff in my list has rather obvious evidence.


Um no it doesn't. You haven't posted any evidence to prove what you said, it's all speculation and ignorance on your part.

Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP is no longer actively developing EVE

That's obviously a lie, patch notes prove you wrong. CCP and the developers have already stated their goals for the future of EVE.
Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP lies.

Post proof where CCP has lied to it's customers.
Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP lies even more when players are upset.

Again provide proof.
Originally by: Ghoest
-Mitanni and the CSMs will believe anything if you act like they are important.

That's just your opinion.
Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP is low on resources.

Every small developer has limited resources but that doesn't mean they're lacking programmers and artists to continue to develop EVE along with their other titles.
Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.

No one is forcing you to stay. CCP doesn't have to change their ways in order to satisfy a few people. Simply don't give them money if you're dissatisfied with their product. Just because it's a MMO doesn't mean CCP has to listen to every single customer and satisfy their needs.

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.03 19:00:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 01/09/2011 22:31:09
EDIT: I said "patch" and meant "expansion" ie Incarna.

-CCP is no longer actively developing EVE
-CCP lies.
-CCP lies even more when players are upset.
-Mitanni and the CSMs will believe anything if you act like they are important.
-CCP is low on resources.
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.


And the results say ..

Miilla alt.

Monstress
Posted - 2011.09.03 20:59:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Monstress on 03/09/2011 21:04:43
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
The API upgrade, while not directly influencing your spaceship is a pretty nice upgrade to EVE. I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there. I have always had the problem of jumping into the wrong ship... These both came out in the Incarna 1.1 patch Very Happy


Thread cleaned of trolling posts.


The nerve. Oh yes, great feature brah, I totally love switching ships and undocking with offlined modules. Great ****ing feature.

Do you enjoy trolling players?

Trolls Troll
Posted - 2011.09.03 21:06:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Trolls Troll on 03/09/2011 21:06:53
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there. I have always had the problem of jumping into the wrong ship... These both came out in the Incarna 1.1 patch Very Happy





LOL that was a SIDE EFFECT from Incarna development, otherwise the ONLY thing in the patch would have been the api keys.

You sir win my troll of the week badge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.03 21:23:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Tautut
Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 01/09/2011 22:31:09
EDIT: I said "patch" and meant "expansion" ie Incarna.

-CCP is no longer actively developing EVE
-CCP lies.
-CCP lies even more when players are upset.
-Mitanni and the CSMs will believe anything if you act like they are important.
-CCP is low on resources.
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.


And the results say ..

Miilla alt.


Looks like we have a noob here.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.03 21:31:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Deryk Kyeld
Edited by: Deryk Kyeld on 03/09/2011 18:07:34
Originally by: Ghoest
Umm - all the stuff in my list has rather obvious evidence.


Um no it doesn't. You haven't posted any evidence to prove what you said, it's all speculation and ignorance on your part.

Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP is no longer actively developing EVE

That's obviously a lie, patch notes prove you wrong. CCP and the developers have already stated their goals for the future of EVE.
Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP lies.

Post proof where CCP has lied to it's customers.
Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP lies even more when players are upset.

Again provide proof.
Originally by: Ghoest
-Mitanni and the CSMs will believe anything if you act like they are important.

That's just your opinion.
Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP is low on resources.

Every small developer has limited resources but that doesn't mean they're lacking programmers and artists to continue to develop EVE along with their other titles.
Originally by: Ghoest
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.

No one is forcing you to stay. CCP doesn't have to change their ways in order to satisfy a few people. Simply don't give them money if you're dissatisfied with their product. Just because it's a MMO doesn't mean CCP has to listen to every single customer and satisfy their needs.


1 The patch shows they arent developing - they are just maintaining. And there no indication they have a real expansion coming beyond the Incarna testbed for WOT.

2&3 Read the recent interviews they are are contradicting what they said in the face of the "revolt" a few months ago.

4 Mittens has admitted this within the last day - in a long winded self aggrandizing manner of course.

5 I addressed this earlier in the thread. Based on the devlopment cut backs they have announced for EVE and open ended postponments of feature its enough that I consider it proof. This one point you could disagree with me on - as as far as evidence goes it agrees with me.

6 This point is really about the players and I believe you are the only person in EVE who doesnt agree with me.


Forum Worrier
Posted - 2011.09.03 21:34:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
<Delusions>



I don't know where you live, but you should probably stop drinking the town water.

teh mole
Posted - 2011.09.03 21:35:00 - [76]
 

I think ccp needs to fix supers asap personally. That'll prob not happen tho <.<. CCP wants to spend more time on pretty dresses then massive game flaws.

Hienz Doofenshmirtz
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:33:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Hienz Doofenshmirtz on 03/09/2011 23:33:34
I disagree with you about your original post.

I agree with people who say your an idoit and need to provide links and or other proof to back up your claims.

I have played for 5 years so I have some history here.

Remember don't drink the Koolaide.

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:43:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Hienz Doofenshmirtz
Edited by: Hienz Doofenshmirtz on 03/09/2011 23:33:34
I disagree with you about your original post.

I agree with people who say your an idoit and need to provide links and or other proof to back up your claims.

I have played for 5 years so I have some history here.

Remember don't drink the Koolaide.


Where are those links by the way?
Youre good at attacking people that ask the question but bad at providing them

Hienz Doofenshmirtz
Posted - 2011.09.03 23:46:00 - [79]
 

And you quoted me why?


Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2011.09.04 00:28:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
The API upgrade, while not directly influencing your spaceship is a pretty nice upgrade to EVE. I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there. I have always had the problem of jumping into the wrong ship... These both came out in the Incarna 1.1 patch Very Happy


Omg it's Incarna, the mother of all content-rich expansions!

You can now stare at a wallpaper of a door and switch ships without session timer, oh boy did eve suddenly become a much better game.

Delkana Fox
Posted - 2011.09.04 00:38:00 - [81]
 

I just wanted to say that I do not care about OP's concerns.

As long as I can log in and play then that is what is important. Yes this is a community but it is the game that is important not CCP's business practices. They could employ slave labor and force employees to pay $5.00 for soda in the break room. If it does not directly affect game play and they are nowhere near bankruptcy I don't care.

It is what happens in game that is important to me and yes there is disappointment in the last couple of expansions but the game is still playable.

I just wanted to say this because I am sick of all the posts from people that don't work for CCP and think that they know more about running a game company.

This is a link used to prove a point OP, CurvesNotEqual Eve is stagnant not dying.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.04 12:00:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Delkana Fox


I just wanted to say this because I am sick of all the posts from people that don't work for CCP and think that they know more about running a game company.



Why would working at CCP be required for correct commentary on the state of the game and even primary factors effecting the state of the game?

Now if I was focusing on the most profitable strategies for CCP you would have a point.
But as I addressing the quality of the game, youre just doing non sequitur *****ing.

Bart Starr
Posted - 2011.09.05 07:56:00 - [83]
 

My guess. Incarna 1.2 is going to be dedicated to breaking the text editor (again). I mean, weeks when you couldn't even write a proper Evemail or hyperlink without screwups. Still mystified how CCP managed to **** up a text editor, but recently CCP could **** up a wet dream.

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.09.05 08:04:00 - [84]
 

Things we have learned? Hmmmmm?

Back CCP in a corner, they run like hell, and never look back.

"Off to vampire land, leaving the Eve comunity behind" I think was the title of the most recent memo.

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.09.05 08:16:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Hienz Doofenshmirtz
And you quoted me why?




I think I missed O.o

Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.09.05 08:20:00 - [86]
 

Quote:
Merit driven items are locked from purchase until a player achieves a certain criteria [in game] hence having to earn the item/power and then having to pay real money to obtain it


very specific part of the idea for the vampire game that I want to point out and everyone should point out to anyone that will listen as to why NOT to play that game

Imagine having to buy skillbooks with real money but you still need to skill up to get them.
Or doing something to unlock a power in a game, go to a trainer to skill it and the trainer says you gotta pay in REAL DOLLARS

And SOMEHOW CCP thinks this bull**** will work

Pride cometh before a fall CCP

TharOkha
Posted - 2011.09.05 08:21:00 - [87]
 

The whole idea of WiS is great. But CCP made a big mistake, that they released it totaly unfinished. If they had released full incarna, that means, wis in lobby, player interaction etc, the whole comunity would be happy. But as long as incarna is only about useless wis in your CQ people will be angry. So suggestion to CCP. Try to release full version of your future releases, not just part of it.

Cyniac
Gallente
Twilight Star Rangers
Posted - 2011.09.05 08:35:00 - [88]
 

EVE is still the best game in it's field and CCP knows it does not need to keep innovating to maintain that because lets face it - there is very little if any competition for the niche that EVE currently fills.

I still enjoy EVE therefore I still play - to me it really is that simple. The day when I will no longer enjoy what EVE has to offer I will stop playing (regardless of time and effort spent in here - that's like throwing good money after bad.)

Pretty much on maintenance mode - yes, and the dumbing down of the game is definitely irritating but so far not terribly bad.

It's telling though that the last time I was excited about an expansion was when the Noctis came out - lots of opportunities there.

Anyhow I'll be around probably for at least a year more unless something game breaking really happens - and most of the players I know are in a similar position.

Perhaps what CCP doesn't realise is that if they do improve their game at its core, they will improve their bottom line. There is a return on investment to be had there.

pipvac
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.09.05 12:01:00 - [89]
 

The only voice CCP listens to is subscriber numbers, as has been stated many times. So all my account bar this one have been unsubscribed.

CCP lies? Not so sure that statement hangs true. Misleading, below expectations, setting new standards of underachievement... perhaps.

CSM is irrelevant. Its a PR stunt, and serves no real world purpose other than to deflect issues.

CCP is low on resources? Published company data suggests otherwise. What may be a better description is that the finite resource available is not being invested into Eve as per subscriber expectations.

CCP gets away with it due to lack of competition? It's been that way since the beginning and does not look like changing any time soon.

What do I know? Well, I am just one subscriber with an opinion. I have played since beta, and enjoyed the game through much of its development. Probably the last great expansion was Dominion. The current state of the game is such that I have no interest in investing further time in playing it. Little has been done to address the numerous balance issues. I certainly could not recommend this game to a friend.

The biggest change for me is the atmosphere of the game, actively promoted by CCP. For the first couple of years it was about forging new relationships, building alliances, and exploring. Co-operation was encouraged, and players that I interacted would go to great lengths to help you. Then the PVP aspect was pressed by CCP, and all the negative traits of humanity were encouraged as the way to play EVE. Sacmming, theft, betrayal, dishonesty, all became the traits CCP wanted players to aspire to to succeed in Eve. There should be no surprise then that the community has developed around this philosophy, and they find themselves reaping what they sow, in terms of interaction, and the type of player they attract.

EVE is no longer a place I wish to spend my time as a result of CCP's vision. The only way to make myself heard is to act in the only way CCP is now prepared to listen... subscription cancelled.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.05 12:31:00 - [90]
 

If CCP actually did listen to the players then the original functioning icons would have returned.

I don't think i have come across one person who said that the new 'black on black' icons were an improvement. On the contrary anyone who has voiced an opinion all have said (that I have noticed) bring back the icons.

If CCP can't or won't even do this simple task for the player community then what more proof do we need that CCP don't care about EVE.

As for the lies accusation; well, I have posted on here promises from CCP that the icons will be returnd. A number of patches/updates later and they haven't returned.

Yes, CCP have given us one improvement with this latest patch/update - the chaning of ship session timer. We've even had an employee on this thread saying how wonderful it was. Excellent; but what about the same employee addressing the other issues with the game which have been raised time and time again and each time ignored by CCP?



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