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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.09.02 09:56:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Rainus Max on 02/09/2011 09:57:47
I think there's only 2 things this expansion has potentially shown us:

1) CCP doesn't like to make their 'end products' (IE CQ, PI) anything like what they originally planned (see original incarna demo, Fanfest presentations etc). That might just be how things had to develop due to technical issues.

2) There is a section of CCP that don't like to listen to the player base and unfortunately it really feels like its the big bosses that have the final say. Don't get me wrong there are some F***ing fabulous Devs out there that will bend over backwards to make the players happy, but lately there is a miserable spectre in the background that forces things through that go against the grain of Eve or kills off ideas that 99% of the player base would give a testicle (or ovary) for.

The idea of Incarna is OK and the probably a good chunk of the population would be in the 'I can live with it' category, but its only 5% complete. Put it this way - if you went in for heart surgery would you be happy if I did 5% of the work, charged you 30 for optional coloured stitches and then said the rest will be done over the next couple of years?

I hoped CCP had listened to the 'riots' a few months ago but its again starting to look as if they are ignoring us.

Oh and one thing CCP - Pooping on our face but giving us the choice of left side or right, is still pooping on our face!

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:46:00 - [32]
 

I find it amusing watching people's attitudes change as the months go by.

There's a couple of people in this (and other threads) who were white knighting :ccp: just 3 months ago. Now they're just the same as the people they were arguing with Very Happy

Incarna brought nothing in terms of gameplay and if the multiplayer version of WiS is released by this time next year I will be astounded. I suspect that what you'll have in July 2012 will be one room outside the door and that's it. Oh and a shedload more crap in the NeX store.

Better have an ASTOUNDING Winter expansion :ccp: or you really are ****ed. I for one won't hold my breath as Soundwave is already spinning down expectations.

Ramalamadindong
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:01:00 - [33]
 

Everything the OP said is more or less true. Eve has reached its peak and I believe its all downhill from here.




Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:32:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Flamespar
Wow. Another person makes a bunch of sweeping claims without the evidence to back it up.

Half the problem with EVE is the sheer toxicity of some of the members of it's community.

I can post on a forum, therefor a speak for everyone in EVE.


This is kind of like saying you want proof that the sky is blue and that the ocean is wet.

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:17:00 - [35]
 

The API upgrade, while not directly influencing your spaceship is a pretty nice upgrade to EVE. I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there. I have always had the problem of jumping into the wrong ship... These both came out in the Incarna 1.1 patch Very Happy


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Zverofaust
Gallente
Ascetic Virtues
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:25:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there.Very Happy


I liked that too, until I realized my mods were being turned off left and right. :)

Marcus Killjoy
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:31:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Marcus Killjoy on 02/09/2011 16:31:07
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
The API upgrade, while not directly influencing your spaceship is a pretty nice upgrade to EVE. I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there. I have always had the problem of jumping into the wrong ship... These both came out in the Incarna 1.1 patch Very Happy


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I just came back to game, and found out that the last major patch did nothing of value to my game play. Walking in stations is pointless and boring. Then there is that useless store...

Why not add new regions, new items, new ships etc... Maybe more missions, new npc's.

Or fix some issues that the game has had since before I started playing in '06.

How about roll back to Trinity. Then re-ad the new ships and wh space.

AFK Father
AFK Chartered System Management
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:33:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Zverofaust
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there.Very Happy


I liked that too, until I realized my mods were being turned off left and right. :)
I believe that's called a new feature and we should all be happy for it's introduction.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:37:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Marcus Killjoy

I just came back to game, and found out that the last major patch did nothing of value to my game play. Walking in stations is pointless and boring. Then there is that useless store...

Why not add new regions, new items, new ships etc... Maybe more missions, new npc's.

Or fix some issues that the game has had since before I started playing in '06.

How about roll back to Trinity. Then re-ad the new ships and wh space.


Because they have WoD to work on and these things dont make the 0.0 ppl happy somehow an thats the only ones they care about appeasing.

Vilggiiee
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:37:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: AFK Father
Originally by: Zverofaust
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there.Very Happy


I liked that too, until I realized my mods were being turned off left and right. :)
I believe that's called a new feature and we should all be happy for it's introduction.


^^
This

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:48:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia

I don't want to see Eve fail. In that manner I don't consider myself toxic. But I would rather see Eve shut down than become what some people have as a vision for this game.

don't people call it "selfishness" ?Rolling Eyes

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:50:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia

I don't want to see Eve fail. In that manner I don't consider myself toxic. But I would rather see Eve shut down than become what some people have as a vision for this game.

don't people call it "selfishness" ?Rolling Eyes


Laughing

true
youd rather have nothing that see your beloved game change? You wont be missed

inexistin
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
Posted - 2011.09.02 16:59:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
The API upgrade, while not directly influencing your spaceship is a pretty nice upgrade to EVE. I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there. I have always had the problem of jumping into the wrong ship... These both came out in the Incarna 1.1 patch Very Happy


While I haven't got the slightest clue what the API upgrade really does (I'm no techie), the session change timer is really nice. I'm pretty bitter about CCP altoghether, but when it comes to small things that matter, they're actually doing much better than other companies imho. It's just they fail at the big feature addition, implementation and iteration.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:17:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Misunderstood Genius
OP and everyone else do us a favor: UNSUB, TERMINATE, NOW! (enjoy the rest of your ****ed up RL)

Please all tears to me, I will drink them and enjoy every pee. Even if it's bitter burning.


If he's getting tears, I want ISk and ships.

All your mods can go to Random Alt parked in your station.


Alexandra Alt
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:25:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
The API upgrade, while not directly influencing your spaceship is a pretty nice upgrade to EVE. I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there. I have always had the problem of jumping into the wrong ship... These both came out in the Incarna 1.1 patch Very Happy


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Damn how long to change the Session timer behaviour ? Months ? something I'm pretty sure can be done in a day's work, and that includes testing your changes, something someone clearly hasn't done since we have now mods going offline for no reason randomly, again, something that was happening in the test server ever since the new dock/undock code was being tested, really, you guys are just proving that your best development skills lie down in webdevelopment/webservices and not game development.

I usually attend the mass testings and all that, but lately, the damn bugs in the test server are so bad it doesn't pay the effort, specially since they come over to the live server after they're fully known and reported in the test server, makes no sense, get new developers.

War Machine
Solar Wind
Species 6717
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:28:00 - [46]
 

Currently waiting on new space sandbox with similar depth.

Until then it's Eve for me

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:33:00 - [47]
 

I enjoy EVE and see no reason to quit.

But it seems spoiled brats like the OP and a lot of other creating one whinethread after another think because they can't enjoy EVE anymore no one else should.

HTFU or GTFO!

N1gella Laws0n
Posted - 2011.09.02 17:33:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 01/09/2011 22:31:09
EDIT: I said "patch" and meant "expansion" ie Incarna.

-CCP is no longer actively developing EVE
-CCP lies.
-CCP lies even more when players are upset.
-Mitanni and the CSMs will believe anything if you act like they are important.
-CCP is low on resources.
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.


That CCP know how we pretend to feel about Eve, because they pretend to feel the same way.

Issler Dainze
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:22:00 - [49]
 

I realized this morning this is the classic case of ADD "New Shiny" syndrome. I've seen it several times before with game companies. EA buys Westwood and decides the Earth and Beyond is boring, pulls resources to make a new "game people will all like" which was going to be yet another Everquest like game and guess what, Earth and Beyond dies and the other game never even gets to alpha.

Then we have Ashron's Call, company decides to "make a much better game" and ignores AC. AC2 comes out, is basically horrible, today we have AC2 dead and buried and AC on life support with a small number hard core fans trying to find joy in a long neglected game.

Finally you have Everquest and Everquest II. Everquest II got all the lovin and now has declined to a sad free to play MT thing while the first and I think fundamentally better game (EQ) survives despite the lack of real attention at a fraction of its previous popularity.

CCP is obsessed with the "new shiny" of vampires and consoles. The latest expansions show that there are no real resources being given to Eve and I don't see it getting any better.

Good news is when Eve starts to die at least we won't have to deal with the hassle of the servers being consolidated! :-)

Issler

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.09.02 18:39:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.

Ding-ding-ding, we have a winner.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.02 19:51:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ghoest
CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.

Ding-ding-ding, we have a winner.


Yep, agreed. SWTOR isn't gonna kill it either because it's WoW with lightsabers.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.02 19:55:00 - [52]
 

Sadly, this is more or less the conclusion I reached. Hence why I no longer play EVE.

Maybe CCP will change, but if they haven't cared about the million dollars in annual revenue they've already lost I don't know what will make them care. Maybe when these other projects don't pan out they'll notice.

Sucks to be us.

Lester Knight Chaykin
Posted - 2011.09.02 19:59:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
I personally enjoyed switching ships quickly last night after the removal of the session change timer there


That's something you did for the stupids, so you can distract them.
They will think "oh cool, look what ccp did for us, love love love"

Well, it's nice, but there are more important things to do right now. First of all is the damn CQ: you ruined my gaming experience by removing the old ship spinning hangar. I'm not an idiot, i know you could have kept both and let the people choose wich one to load but your greed makes you ignore us.

You promised somethin... "better" than the old ship hangar, well, where is it?! And why can't you give us the old one in the meanwhile??
I'm looking at a damn ugly wallpaper with a stupid door on it since Incarna came out. I'm not going to buy stuff from the nex store, ever, period, no matter what you do.

Satav
Posted - 2011.09.02 20:06:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Quote:
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.


Which perhaps is the very reason you log on everday and play yeah?

As much as Eve is a GAME, playing it is OPTIONAL.


Hmm. Staying married to your wife is optional.
Paying your taxes is optional.
Not killing your boss cause you hate his guts is optional.

And yet all of these actions have consequences.

The fact is that CCP is a business and not a government. Meaning that they can do whatever they want with their product (which they do). But they can't make you play the game. Hmm there is something seriously wrong with that philosophy. If I was them (being a business) I would be worried about losing my job cause my company doesn't make money anymore.
Yes they are a business that can do whatever they want. But they are a business. Meaning they have to sell their product, which, lets be honest, they are doing a horrible job of.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.02 20:09:00 - [55]
 

Oh look an anti-CCP post by ghoest.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.09.02 20:14:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: RAW23 on 02/09/2011 20:17:21
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Hey look, a Ghoest thread. To mix things up, I'm going to use a Shakespearean insult generator.
You, minion, are too saucy.
Thou art some fool, I am loath to beat thee.
Thou roguish swag-bellied flap-dragon!
Thou slander of thy heavy mother's womb!
Thou droning unchin-snouted dewberry!
Thou mad mustachio purple-hued maltworms!
Thou beslubbering sheep-biting pigeon-egg!


Quiet, thou shitten knave!

Alec Freeman
Minmatar
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.09.02 21:54:00 - [57]
 

Removal of session change timer = first useful thing to come out in incarna (buggy or not). Huzzah!

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.02 22:40:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 02/09/2011 22:40:55
Quote:
you ruined my gaming experience by removing the old ship spinning hangar. I'm not an idiot,


lol.

Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.09.02 22:48:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Technically the only thing that this patch proves is that CCP is set in their ways.


Which is a good thing, because I'd hate to see what would happen if they actually listened to the ragers over here in GD.

Tuggboat
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.03 00:16:00 - [60]
 

Well I have learned much since this expansion. The patch's continue and responses to our concerns keep getting addressed. A recent petitions response was very high caliber compared to a similar one in the past. Overall I'm learning that CCP is not the enemy that I was led to believe.

I have learned that "led to believe" is not often done in benevolence though it can be. I have learned that the same psychologies that can benefit people can also be used to hurt them.

I am coming to believe that more than just CCP was hurt We participants in the riots and protests have endured an attack on our ego, psyches. We have acted against our own best interests and tried to destroy our worlds however imaginary and utopian they might have been. :) We won't ever be quite the same again, and that's alright.

I have learned of soldiers becoming participants in massacres and then leading others to participate with them. Innocent children one day, rapist and disembowelers the next. And in some wars it just keeps continuing. And we we have to continue and we have to continue to believe CCP is the enemy, that it was CCP that drove us to madness and mayhem. And they have to be the Demons that they have been painted as or we have to admit we were scammed, hacked and manipulated into giving up what we love and have worked so hard for, for so cheap a price.

I have learned that people that are stripped of hope and demoralized by others to serve these other people's ends can unite into community. Why the real enemy continue to reinforce the exodus is that the alternative is unity. Crowds have different motivators than individuals and the real enemies have tugged on a very dangerous one and wishes we would leave before we wake up. Long has the enemy reaped the rewards of sowing distrust and it's resulting fragmentation. Now they try to make guerrilla warfare like attacks on hope.

But I have learned that there is an antidote to the extinguishing of hope and it is two fold. First know that it was taken from you and open your mind to the slightest thought that it was not taken by CCP or ourselves. Next is another concept that goes against our basic entitlements as customers but hear me out. In some situations we can regain our hope by excelling in something that gives us a sense of mastery. For instance if we get podded. we practice and lose that sense of not being in control. My income got nerfed, I tried incursions etc. But there are things in life that we can never really get control of And CCP is one of those things cause nobody can make everybody happy all the time.

I've learned its alright to lower my expectations. I wanted to create a paradise of my own imagination. The heavens of Eve were a limitless blank slate. I too entrusted CCP but I put them on a pedestal and somebody knocked them off. Now they are where they should be, They aren't perfect but pretty good. They are not Santa Claus coming down the chimney or my jovian god in some isolated bit of heaven ready to grant my wishes. They are real people with limitations, imperfect, not always elite... maybe not even close.

Just like me. :)


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