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Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:26:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ghoest on 01/09/2011 22:31:09
EDIT: I said "patch" and meant "expansion" ie Incarna.

-CCP is no longer actively developing EVE
-CCP lies.
-CCP lies even more when players are upset.
-Mitanni and the CSMs will believe anything if you act like they are important.
-CCP is low on resources.
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:28:00 - [2]
 

pics/links or stfu

an thats not just me trolling. youre making a lotta assumptions there that have no examples to back them up

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:33:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
pics/links or stfu

an thats not just me trolling. youre making a lotta assumptions there that have no examples to back them up


Umm which one of these points in debatable?

I guess you might possibly debate my resources point, but the most recent patch which was obviously not bug tested in the most basic manner is what i consider proof.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:35:00 - [4]
 

Technically the only thing that this patch proves is that CCP is set in their ways.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:39:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Technically the only thing that this patch proves is that CCP is set in their ways.



Read the corrected title I guess. Although looking at the time stamp Im not sure if maybe you did.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:41:00 - [6]
 

Well I mean, I was willing to believe that Incarna was mainly an absolute ****ing trainwreck and that CCP would do anything to avoid similar situations in the future. I was willing to believe that things might change.

Now, I'm not so sure.

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:43:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
pics/links or stfu

an thats not just me trolling. youre making a lotta assumptions there that have no examples to back them up


Umm which one of these points in debatable?




all of them. YOURE the one suggesting all this exists, the burden of proof rests on you to prove it.
If you cant you might as well delete the post cause youre just hypothesizing at best and trolling at worst

Si Omega
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:45:00 - [8]
 

Quote:
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.


Which perhaps is the very reason you log on everday and play yeah?

As much as Eve is a GAME, playing it is OPTIONAL.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.02 01:16:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Si Omega
Quote:
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.


Which perhaps is the very reason you log on everday and play yeah?

As much as Eve is a GAME, playing it is OPTIONAL.


Im not sure what your point is. Everything you said is rather obviously implied.

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.09.02 01:27:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 01/09/2011 22:31:09
EDIT: I said "patch" and meant "expansion" ie Incarna.

-CCP is no longer actively developing EVE
-CCP lies.
-CCP lies even more when players are upset.
-Mitanni and the CSMs will believe anything if you act like they are important.
-CCP is low on resources.
-CCP continues to get away with this because no one else has a sand box game on the scale of EVE.


The only thing I would add to that is that EVE is undeniably in maintenance mode, when the 18 months deadline hits Soundwave and Zulu will promptly throw up jazz hands and give us a song and dance and a new bowel movement in the redeem items tab.

Axemaster
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:09:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: XIRUSPHERE
...and a new bowel movement in the redeem items tab.


Couldn't agree more. The "unique ships" they hand out used to be cool and commemorative (the Apotheosis), but now they are simply cynical distractions. oooohhh SHINY!

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:17:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ghoest


-CCP is no longer actively developing EVE
-CCP lies.
-CCP lies even more when players are upset.
-Mitanni and the CSMs will believe anything if you act like they are important.
-CCP is low on resources.
-CCP continues to get away with this because the addictive nature of MMOs leads to people paying subscriptions far after they actually play or enjoy the game.


FYP

CCP is most definitely not developing (or even supporting) Eve.

Their gamble is, not enough people actually have the balls to quit in the 2-3 years they plan on not doing jack **** with the game. And even if they do, hopefully they can recoup much of that lost customer base with Aurum purchases.

They **** the money bed with bad business decisions. Someone got dollar signs in their eyes and went chasing waterfalls and in doing so got in so deep they gambled the entire survival of the company.

I feel bad for CCP employees the most. The terrible mismanagement at CCP risks not just our game, but their livelihoods.

fatmanpaul
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:20:00 - [13]
 

I think it is just simply their key resources are now in DUST.

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:27:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: fatmanpaul
I think it is just simply their key resources are now in DUST.

Don't forget about the Twilight MMO.

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:31:00 - [15]
 

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Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:29:00 - [16]
 

You have learned NOTHING unless you unsubscribe. CCP leadership has stated they ignore what you say and will only pay attention to what you do.

This can't be ANY more obvious. It's simple really:
A) Accept whatever CCP wants to crap on you.
or
B) Unsubscribe.


This thread is pointless unless you unsubscribe.

Hicksimus
Gallente
Mom's Friendly Spaceship Company
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:32:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Cave Lord
You have learned NOTHING unless you unsubscribe. CCP leadership has stated they ignore what you say and will only pay attention to what you do.

This can't be ANY more obvious. It's simple really:
A) Accept whatever CCP wants to crap on you.
or
B) Unsubscribe.


This thread is pointless unless you unsubscribe.



The clear route to the best product is to make a product in which success is indicated by a level market share. It only sounds right if your brain is frozen apparently.

Forum Worrier
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:43:00 - [18]
 

Way to show CCP they were wrong about not listening to the players.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:44:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia


Their gamble is, not enough people actually have the balls to quit in the 2-3 years they plan on not doing jack **** with the game. And even if they do, hopefully they can recoup much of that lost customer base with Aurum purchases.




Well thats what the guys at Cryptic were doing pretty much from when Atari decided to sell them till now.
Funny how much this story is starting to sound familiar

Flamespar
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:49:00 - [20]
 

Wow. Another person makes a bunch of sweeping claims without the evidence to back it up.

Half the problem with EVE is the sheer toxicity of some of the members of it's community.

I can post on a forum, therefor a speak for everyone in EVE.

Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:59:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Hicksimus
Originally by: Cave Lord
You have learned NOTHING unless you unsubscribe. CCP leadership has stated they ignore what you say and will only pay attention to what you do.

This can't be ANY more obvious. It's simple really:
A) Accept whatever CCP wants to crap on you.
or
B) Unsubscribe.


This thread is pointless unless you unsubscribe.



The clear route to the best product is to make a product in which success is indicated by a level market share. It only sounds right if your brain is frozen apparently.


LOL Laughing

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:12:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Flamespar
Wow. Another person makes a bunch of sweeping claims without the evidence to back it up.

Half the problem with EVE is the sheer toxicity of some of the members of it's community.

I can post on a forum, therefor a speak for everyone in EVE.


Toxicity? Can you elaborate?

I'm guessing I'm one of the people you would consider toxic. However, consider this:

-I've been playing this game for 8 years
-I've personally brought CCP dozens of subscribers
-I've lead corporations and helped lead alliances. I'm versed in virtually every profession in the game.

What you may consider to be toxic some of us may consider spreading the truth. Warning people that we are fast approaching the point of no return for this game.

I don't want to see Eve fail. In that manner I don't consider myself toxic. But I would rather see Eve shut down than become what some people have as a vision for this game.

Hilmar listens to his investors... unless the investors are the people that have paid into his game for years and years. I have no right, no claim to my virtual character or items, but I do have a vested personal interest in the game and it's company. That gives me as much of a right to voice my opinion as anyone.

Does Hilmar have to listen to me? Of course not. But he does have to listen to us. Do I speak for everyone? Never said that I did, but I can attempt to sway the opinions of others. Hilmar will listen to our actions. That is all he will listen to, he's said as much himself. This is why I unsubscribed and I encourage others that feel strongly about the direction of eve to do the same.

Is it toxic? Well truth is cleansing. Though I don't think anything but dirt would call cleansing 'toxic'.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Flamespar
Wow. Another person makes a bunch of sweeping claims without the evidence to back it up.

Half the problem with EVE is the sheer toxicity of some of the members of it's community.

I can post on a forum, therefor a speak for everyone in EVE.


Toxicity? Can you elaborate?

I'm guessing I'm one of the people you would consider toxic. However, consider this:

-I've been playing this game for 8 years
-I've personally brought CCP dozens of subscribers
-I've lead corporations and helped lead alliances. I'm versed in virtually every profession in the game.

What you may consider to be toxic some of us may consider spreading the truth. Warning people that we are fast approaching the point of no return for this game.

I don't want to see Eve fail. In that manner I don't consider myself toxic. But I would rather see Eve shut down than become what some people have as a vision for this game.

Hilmar listens to his investors... unless the investors are the people that have paid into his game for years and years. I have no right, no claim to my virtual character or items, but I do have a vested personal interest in the game and it's company. That gives me as much of a right to voice my opinion as anyone.

Does Hilmar have to listen to me? Of course not. But he does have to listen to us. Do I speak for everyone? Never said that I did, but I can attempt to sway the opinions of others. Hilmar will listen to our actions. That is all he will listen to, he's said as much himself. This is why I unsubscribed and I encourage others that feel strongly about the direction of eve to do the same.

Is it toxic? Well truth is cleansing. Though I don't think anything but dirt would call cleansing 'toxic'.


This

Flamespar
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:16:00 - [24]
 

Glad to elaborate (and probably should have in my original post).

Toxic is a word I use to refer to those players how make wild unsubtantiated claims about EVE and claim to represent most players in EVE. They also seek to influence other players so that they share their opinion.

Generous Benefactor
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:33:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Flamespar
Glad to elaborate (and probably should have in my original post).

Toxic is a word I use to refer to those players how make wild unsubtantiated claims about EVE and claim to represent most players in EVE. They also seek to influence other players so that they share their opinion.



Toxic is a song by Britney Spears. And what Princess says is true.

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:52:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 02/09/2011 05:52:49
Originally by: Flamespar
Wow. Another person makes a bunch of sweeping claims without the evidence to back it up.

Half the problem with EVE is the sheer toxicity of some of the members of it's community.

I can post on a forum, therefor a speak for everyone in EVE.


please note:

Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
pics/links or stfu

an thats not just me trolling. youre making a lotta assumptions there that have no examples to back them up


Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
pics/links or stfu

an thats not just me trolling. youre making a lotta assumptions there that have no examples to back them up


Umm which one of these points in debatable?

I guess you might possibly debate my resources point, but the most recent patch which was obviously not bug tested in the most basic manner is what i consider proof.


Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
pics/links or stfu

an thats not just me trolling. youre making a lotta assumptions there that have no examples to back them up


Umm which one of these points in debatable?




Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
all of them. YOURE the one suggesting all this exists, the burden of proof rests on you to prove it.
If you cant you might as well delete the post cause youre just hypothesizing at best and trolling at worst


not just randomly not having proof, adamantly refusing to provide it as well


Tribunia
Posted - 2011.09.02 07:17:00 - [27]
 

Dev alt rifeness is hilarious

Forum Worrier
Posted - 2011.09.02 07:31:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Tribunia
Dev alt rifeness is hilarious


So even Perpetuum devs are buying characters these days, must be getting desperate.

Officer Spawn
Posted - 2011.09.02 07:41:00 - [29]
 

In the international trade of WMD materials there are so called 'dual-use' items, things that can be used for normal purposes or to develop nasty things. A barrel of chloride can be used to purify water or make poison gas.

What we see coming from CCP is increasingly dual-use releases. They are released on EVE but can just as easily be used for their upcoming World of Darkness MMO. Incarna for instance is basically a big beta test for their character animation and enviroment software. The same goes for the new forums and EVE-gate, a new game will have forums and some sort of social out of game networking thingie. In the most recent 1.1 patch there were exactly two things not dual-use EVE-only bits, the drone attributes showing correctly and ship switch session timer and they both are seriously bugged, indicating a serious lack of resources allocated to developing and testing EVE-only features.


Misunderstood Genius
Posted - 2011.09.02 09:55:00 - [30]
 

OP and everyone else do us a favor: UNSUB, TERMINATE, NOW! (enjoy the rest of your ****ed up RL)

Please all tears to me, I will drink them and enjoy every pee. Even if it's bitter burning.


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