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Koujjo Dian
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:02:00 - [1]
 

As I keep stating in all my posts my eventual plan is to PvP but atm my skills are really low and I'm currently training PI skills to someday finance my massive failures. So everyday I log on, fine tune my planets, adjust my skill que and the log off again :(. Needless to say I'm getting bored and not really learning anything.

So I got this idea that I could take a CHEAP ship such as an executioner and practice traveling through low sec and learning how to make safe spots and how to avoid gate camps ect ect. Any recommendations on how to fit this ship? Do I need a cloaking device? Do I need a warp core stabilizer? or two? Understand I have no intention in actually attacking anything so keep that in mind. Thanks.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:06:00 - [2]
 

Fit two nanofibers in the low-slots and a Microwarpdrive in the mid.

The nanos will allow you to align so fast that [almost] nothing can catch you in low-sec. The MWD is there for burning around different areas quickly and making safespots (remember, you have to be more than 150km from a safespot to warp to it).

Koujjo Dian
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:17:00 - [3]
 

What happens if I jump through a gate and there's a warp bubble on the other side? Do I crawl back to the gate? Will I be fast enough?

gfldex
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:26:00 - [4]
 

There are no bubbles in lowsec.

Imustbecomfused
Close Proximity
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:19:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: ShahFluffers
Fit two nanofibers in the low-slots and a Microwarpdrive in the mid.

The nanos will allow you to align so fast that [almost] nothing can catch you in low-sec. The MWD is there for burning around different areas quickly and making safespots (remember, you have to be more than 150km from a safespot to warp to it).


I second this...

Koujjo Dian
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.02 00:17:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: gfldex
There are no bubbles in lowsec.
Ah ok thanks.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:12:00 - [7]
 


Here's some previous threads on Lo Sec. The first is a guide, the rest are just discussions but there's some good information in them.


Kessiaan's Lowsec Survival Guide for Rookies


Why Lo Sec


Lo Sec


Low sec mission running and deadspace


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Tuscor
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:27:00 - [8]
 

Seriously - buy a cheap rifter or punisher, fit it out with T1 mods, make sure your clone is up to date and go and practice some pvp!

Its great fun - assume you will die a lot, and just do it! The ships cost next to nothing (maybe 500,000 ISK each) and you learn a lot.

I'm a noob myself, just clicked over 5 mil SP, - one of my most fun and memorable fights was where I was chased to a planet by two other noobs (2 mil SP each) in a punisher and incusus (I think). We tore into eachother, and the fight ended in my favour, with me in deep structure. It was awesome.

I dont understand why you would log on just to update skills when you can have fun and learn at the same time, even with low skills.

Very Happy

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:57:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Koujjo Dian
What happens if I jump through a gate and there's a warp bubble on the other side? Do I crawl back to the gate? Will I be fast enough?


Bubbles only exist out in 0.0 to -1.0 space. And yes, if you do find that you have jumped into a bubble camp, that is EXACTLY what you do using your MWD (Microwarpdrive).

Koujjo Dian
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:16:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: ShahFluffers
Originally by: Koujjo Dian
What happens if I jump through a gate and there's a warp bubble on the other side? Do I crawl back to the gate? Will I be fast enough?


Bubbles only exist out in 0.0 to -1.0 space. And yes, if you do find that you have jumped into a bubble camp, that is EXACTLY what you do using your MWD (Microwarpdrive).


I thought MWDs didn't work when warp scrambled and bubbles warp scramble don't they?

Koujjo Dian
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:22:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Tuscor


I'm a noob myself, just clicked over 5 mil SP, - one of my most fun and memorable fights was where I was chased to a planet by two other noobs (2 mil SP each) in a punisher and incusus (I think). We tore into eachother, and the fight ended in my favour, with me in deep structure. It was awesome.

I dont understand why you would log on just to update skills when you can have fun and learn at the same time, even with low skills.

Very Happy


Well I just have over 1 mil SP. I'd like to get a few more skills under my belt first. Plus my PI is just now starting to make a profit so I want to build up some war funds first.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:23:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: foksieloy on 02/09/2011 13:25:33
Originally by: Koujjo Dian
I thought MWDs didn't work when warp scrambled and bubbles warp scramble don't they?


There is a conflict of terms here.

There are 3 modules that can do interdiction: warp disruptors (so called disrupts), warp scramblers (so called scrams), warp field generators (so called bubbles).

Now, warp disruptors and warp scramblers require you to be targeted and in range (24km non overheated for T2 disrupt, and 10km non overheated for t2 scram).
Warp field generators (either deployable in the form of disrupt probes by interdictors, moving with the ship (HIC) or anchored in space as mobile warp disruptors) stop anyone, friend of foe, within their radius.

Disrupts have a "warp disruptions strength" of 1. Meaning that a single warp core stab, stops a single disruptor.
Scrams have a "warp disruptions strength" of 2. Additionally they stop your MWD from working. They will stop it from working even if your warp core strength is higher than 2 (aka, you can warp off but you still cannot MWD).
Bubbles have an infinitive "warp disruption strength", meaning you are stuck, unless you have a interdiction nullifier T3 subsystem.
That subsystem does not help against disruptors and scrams.

Does this help?

EDIT: additionally the disrupts and scrams can be referred to as "points". So "having a point on someone" means you are warp disrupting him. This terminology is much more often used for warp disruptors than for scrams.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.09.02 14:33:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 02/09/2011 14:40:52



Low security space is not nearly as scary and mysterious once you have zipped around in it for while in ships that cannot easily be caught.

Grab a shuttle, go to DOTLAN and find some low security in your area that looks relatively calm, such as less than a dozen kills in a twenty four hour period.

Hop back into game, check the starmap to verify there are no active gangs operating there in the past hour or so; use the statistics tab to check said information for a particular solar system or in this case possibly even the entire pipe or constellation.

Anyways, even most of this is going to be unncessary to a degree if all you want to do is pass through low security and get a feel for what is out there, i.e. seeing hostiles at a gate fighting, or seeing wrecks of various ship types, or seeing local counts, and learning how to use your directional while inbound, or setting up tactical bookmarks off gates that are not in line with other celestial bodies, etc. etc. list goes on.

Hop in that shuttle, making sure you have an update to date clone and are not using implants you can't do without (just in case!), and go zip around in low security!

Don't linger at gates if you don't want to, dock up if you just wanna sit around and absorb it all, or just have some fun.
What's the worst that could happen, you lose a 10k shuttle, an empty clone, and have to pay to upgrade a new one? If you are a newer player this will be a few million ISK at best, chump change in the grand scheme of things, trust me...


For instance, I am going to pull some numbers out my *** for you, but this will give you an idea of what most of us who lived in low or null (null being more circumstantial tho because of bubbles) for years already know.

If you are in a shuttle and you are warping from gate to gate in low security without delay the chances of you being caught are probably less than a percent. The chances of you also getting podded after being caught (if you know what you are doing) are even smaller.

Nothing is more frustrating than having a gang looking for targets in low sec, and there is a flash on the gate, a shuttle appears, and instantly warps off before most of us even have a chance to mouseover a pixel or two on the screen to hit it with our primed disruptors. But hey, most of us also like being nearly assured we can do that ourselves when we want to just zip through to null with a clone if we are on cooldown or something.

Your only near guarantee of trouble would be from smart bombing battleships at dropout points (hence making tacticals offgrid at the gates and not in line with other celestials in order to warp in from a different angle than said battleships would be sitting at, won't save you from smart bombers on the other side of a gate, but your chances of NOT landing on top of them are much greater in that case), or remote sensor boosted tackle frigs that would nearly insta-lock you in your shuttle, but this is still a game of chance for them even at that.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.09.02 20:10:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Koujjo Dian
Originally by: ShahFluffers
Originally by: Koujjo Dian
What happens if I jump through a gate and there's a warp bubble on the other side? Do I crawl back to the gate? Will I be fast enough?


Bubbles only exist out in 0.0 to -1.0 space. And yes, if you do find that you have jumped into a bubble camp, that is EXACTLY what you do using your MWD (Microwarpdrive).


I thought MWDs didn't work when warp scrambled and bubbles warp scramble don't they?


Think of Warp bubbles as an Area of Effect Warp Disruptor that cannot be countered with Warp Core Stabs.

The only thing that can shut down your MWD is a Warp Scrambler... and that requires someone to have both locked you and be <10km of your ship (the exceptions to that last part are the Proteus, Lachesis, and Arazu).

Koujjo Dian
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.02 21:23:00 - [15]
 

Thanks for all the info. After going back through and redoing my overview settings and re-familiarizing myself with D-scan I took my little executioner to a nearby 0.4 system. Really anti climatic however but I did cruise around the system making safe spots near every gate and one in the middle of the system just in case. Really all I wanted to do anyway I guess.

One thing did happen however that kinda strikes me as odd now that I think about it. Upon entering the system I immediately saw a Vengence on my scanner. I thought "oh he's waiting to prey upon someone just like me" and so I wasted no time warping out of there. But now thinking back about it, wouldn't he have been killed by the gate guns if he attacked anyone by the gate? Can a T2 frigate tank gate guns?

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.09.02 22:28:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: ShahFluffers on 02/09/2011 22:31:13
Originally by: Koujjo Dian
Can a T2 frigate tank gate guns?


Assault frigs might be able to hold out for a small bit (provided they have SOME buffer)... but generally won't last longer than 20 seconds without a logistics ship nearby (and that's being generous). Anything other frigate will find itself one or two-shotted.

Also... here's a good rule of thumb to follow when dealing with people in low-sec; "if it takes too much effort to kill you and you are not a smacktalking prick or flying something expensive, you're pretty safe."

So to go down the list:
- Your Executioner is fast and mobile. Unless you make a mistake they are going to need interceptors (which can't tank gate-guns) or ships with interceptor-like targeting speed (which requires refitting a ship or two and sacrificing some "utility").
- You are in a T1 frig... which is cheap and doesn't make for good bragging rights. Ergo, it's not worth perusing across systems.
- If you "stand still" long enough people WILL take a pot-shot "just to see what happens."


 

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