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Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.09.01 20:40:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 01/09/2011 20:40:57
Normally I dont get uppity over government on goings or politics. I have an opinion, but mostly dont make much of it.

Courageous Illinois Man Faces 75 Years In Prison For Recording Cops

However this is BS. People are getting more jail time than murder and rapists for video taping cops.

It also brings up constitutional issues. The biggest being freedom of the press.
Really there's no reason to have this law besides saving face when the police screw up.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.01 21:02:00 - [2]
 

Did not a US court just rule that filming police was in the OK?

Regardless, it just goes to show what kind of police state US has become, or is trying to be.

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.09.01 21:46:00 - [3]
 

Funny, even if you tape them, they get 2 years for an execution.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.01 21:59:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Did not a US court just rule that filming police was in the OK?

Regardless, it just goes to show what kind of police state US has become, or is trying to be.



Tyranny depends on two things:

1. Consent of the governed.
2. Ignorance of your basic civil rights.


America is not what it was, but we are fighting back.





Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:11:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
America is not what it was, but we are fighting back.


How can you be sure you're not just controlled opposition?


Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:28:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Jada Maroo on 01/09/2011 23:32:26

The people of Illinois need to overturn this law. And should the government resist or this man actually be sent to prison, frankly I'd cheer on any Illinois citizen who applies a "Second Amendment solution" to any official involved.

They *know* what they're doing is wrong. They *know* this is unconstitional and unjust. But because of pride and fear of public shame they refuse to apologize and instead push forward to imprison an innocent man.

This is the very definition of tyranny.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.09.02 00:01:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
America is not what it was, but we are fighting back.


How can you be sure you're not just controlled opposition?




Because boths "sides" try to silence, intimidate, and shut out me and my friends along with the only representative who wants to stop this FIAT money corporatist welfare-warfare-police state madness.

When I get called a right-wing racist bigot homophobe by the fake left and a leftist anarchist surrender monkey by the fake right, it means we're over the target.

There are people who truly "get it", who will not be fooled by the CNN/MSNBC/ABC matrix nor sucked into the FOX News O'HannityBaugh "Second Matrix to trap those who think they escaped the first" either. Fools to the left of me, idiots to the right, and watching "Dawn of the Dead" does not feel so entertaining any more.

Heck they call us terrorists for this. It's becoming a proud label.


Bane Necran
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:05:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Bane Necran on 02/09/2011 02:08:10
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Heck they call us terrorists for this. It's becoming a proud label.


It's been coming out recently in Canada that the guy who started the NDP party was under heavy police surveillance for a decade or two. It's not really anything new or unique to the states for the established government to fear people who want to do something different. However, there's all kinds of new laws passed since 9/11 that do blur the line between citizen and anti-government terrorist in the US. They haven't really acted on any of it yet, though, and i wonder if maybe they're kind of hoping US citizens riot just so they can. That's why i worry some of these movements might be controlled opposition, trying to manipulate dissenters into acting the way they want.

If i was in the states i'd just ask myself if it was really worth sticking up for anymore and consider moving to another country. It doesn't look like there's any good outcome.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.02 03:09:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Bane Necran

If i was in the states i'd just ask myself if it was really worth sticking up for anymore and consider moving to another country. It doesn't look like there's any good outcome.


Freedom and liberty are ideals. Ideals are rarely realized fully, instead they are constantly pursued.

The very concept behind our great experiment called democracy is that we constantly pursue, as a people, our ideals. Government and leaders will always do what they do by nature, try to control, try to rule, try to tighten their grip.

What makes us patriots is that we understand that is in their nature, and that in itself isn't a problem. It's just how it is. The key is understanding OUR responsibility is to keep them in check. That government isn't ever the problem or the solution, WE are. A patriot takes personal responsibility for his community and nation.

We don't leave, pick up sticks, head for the hills when things get ugly. Because I'm not some peasant living under a lord, I'm a free man in a free country. No matter what anyone else wants to tell me, this country is mine. It is my neighbors. It is ours, not theirs.

-The corrupt tyrannical corporate backed slime balls treasonously hijacking my country, stealing our taxes for black rotten purposes?
-Those sending our boys and girls to die for their war profiteering friends?
-'Representatives' intent on perpetuating a system of injustice where we condemn men committing victimless crimes to decades or lives behind bars in 'correctional' facilities in order to maintain pharmaceutical profits, and power plays in central/south america, bolstering 'police' forces to military levels?
-Fear-mongers that would have every family living as if mythical terrorists are hiding in every shadow so that all look to the government for the safety, bowing submissively as civil liberties are attacked and blamed and made obsolete?

^^They are the ones who need to go.

I'm not going to leave this country to the wolves, and I don't think anyone else should either.

If justice is everything but,
if a government of, by and for the people is no longer,
if tyranny is constantly justified by those bankrupt of even the most basic morals,
when nationalism prevails and patriotism is lost,

In a democracy there is only one element that can fix that. The people. And if all good and intelligent people leave? Where does that leave us? What does that make us?

To secure our liberties and continue to defend them, that is OUR charge.

If we get soft, weak, apathetic... we get what we have today. Now that the going is getting tough, the tough needs to get going on pulling things back into the realm of sanity.

The problem is we've gone so far, to fix it borders on revolution. So the question then becomes, can we justify a global disruption that will likely cost MANY lives in a revolution? I think this was the #1 concern that weighed on the minds of our founding fathers. At what point to the injustices and tyranny become so bad we must accept bloodshed as a means to fix it?

I don't think we've gone that far. I sure hope not. Our system is still here, we still hold elections. We just need people to break up the power structures, shake up the system until it looks a little better.

/rant

Tshar Murkon
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:08:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Tshar Murkon on 02/09/2011 04:09:21
On the Innate Drive For What is Right

As life bled, martyrdom flared its buds.
Repression, red from irritation,
Rendered ch1nks and cracks; but thuds of
Armament – in cowardice – accomplice of the
Dictatorial blight thro’ countless years –
Wreaked its retribution:
Yet hope began to bloom a coloured carapace
Enshrining their allegiance ‘gainst the
Terror in their tears.

And on! Splits yawned – breaches in the junta:
Flesh fought fanatical minds –
Bullets welcomed into open hands
And blessed with yearnings for morality:
Chiselled man-toys of death and mutilation
Couldn’t repel the might of freedom
Surging at the bright horizon.

Crepuscular rays of purpose, body,
Flooded pandemonium with
Overwhelming clarity, direction –
Burdened clouds drifting wayward as the
Light channelled out a vision,
Intensifying focus on tomorrow –
Deepen their stride
As they home in to
What is theirs,
Rightfully theirs!

By: Mark R Slaughter

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.09.02 06:04:00 - [11]
 


VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.09.02 06:09:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 02/09/2011 06:14:36
Another ******ed anti-police thread based on nothing.

WATCH YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED VIDEO

This guy is not in jail, and the prosecution has no case. The guy is going to end up winning a law suit. No system is perfect because no system is made up of perfect people. The cops did something stupid. Their friends are trying to cover. It's not going to fly. When he's in jail THEN you can make a thread throwing around ideas like constitutional or freedom of the press. Until then this is no different from any other court case.

I say the person who made this thread is a moron.
He hasn't had his say back yet or a trial so I must be correct.
Thats how this works right?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.09.02 07:07:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 02/09/2011 06:14:36
Another ******ed anti-police thread based on nothing.



So your argument seems to be that because they won't eventually get away with putting this guy in prison for 75 years, the police have actually done nothing wrong?

(They'll refund his legal fees and compensate him for time lost as well right?)

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.02 08:01:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 02/09/2011 08:02:33
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Bane Necran

If i was in the states i'd just ask myself if it was really worth sticking up for anymore and consider moving to another country. It doesn't look like there's any good outcome.


Freedom and liberty are ideals. Ideals are rarely realized fully, instead they are constantly pursued.

The very concept behind our great experiment called democracy is that we constantly pursue, as a people, our ideals. Government and leaders will always do what they do by nature, try to control, try to rule, try to tighten their grip.




You make a flawed assumption about what human nature is. The only thing I see in the "human nature" is that we adapt, and we are good at it. And when people adapt to the society we have created for ourself today, we get results like this. The the preasure to confrom is very high indeed. If you don't, you don't get a paycheck, and then no hous or food. Basically wage slavery.

In a sense, we are all victims of our own system (the people, and teh leaders). A system that promotes competition, not cooperation. A system the promotes greed, not sharing. A system that promotes control, not freedom. A system that promotes scarcity, not abundance.

Not only in the US, I am seeing it in EU as well, but to a lesser degree, for now. But UK for instance is having a bad time.

As for me, I do not consider any country worth fighitng for over any other. I am a human being, I am from Earth, a citizen of the Cosmos, to quote Sagan. But we should all stand up for ourself, that I do agree on!

I do not think clinging to this current system we got now is worthwhile though. Even if we remove the top, keeping the same system will just priduce a new breed like we have now. Bigger change needs to take place. We really need a system that has human values in the center, not monetary profit. A system that is based on rationality, not populist agendas like now (face it, all politicians just want to get elected for the next term, and they will feed you whatever bull**** they belive will get them elected)

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:27:00 - [15]
 

Not really related to this case, but I do sometimes think this whole making videos of the police is getting stupid. Of course when they do something that is out of line it is good to make a video of it. But what would you do if you are just doing your job and some ass is all the time following you with his mobile phone to make a video of it?

Citizen20100211442
Minmatar
Carebear Evolution
AEQUITAS.
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:29:00 - [16]
 

No surprise, its US. Get used to NWO cops - obey without questions.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:49:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Not really related to this case, but I do sometimes think this whole making videos of the police is getting stupid. Of course when they do something that is out of line it is good to make a video of it. But what would you do if you are just doing your job and some ass is all the time following you with his mobile phone to make a video of it?


Well if the police would give a little advance notice of when they plan to act illegally, then we could just film them when we do it and not otherwise.

Man that sure would save everyone a lot of trouble!

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.02 12:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Not really related to this case, but I do sometimes think this whole making videos of the police is getting stupid. Of course when they do something that is out of line it is good to make a video of it. But what would you do if you are just doing your job and some ass is all the time following you with his mobile phone to make a video of it?


Maybe reflect on the fact that you and all your collegues have done such a terrible job earlier and just take the consequences of it?

I mean, there is a reason this is a deabte, if police did not abuse their power, this would be a non issue.

"Protect and serve" seem to be so far removed for todays police that its almsot funny if it was not so tragic. It is almost as if the police is just an armed branch of private/corrupt governemnt interest enforcers.

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:35:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 02/09/2011 13:38:25
Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 02/09/2011 06:14:36
Another ******ed anti-police thread based on nothing.

WATCH YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED VIDEO

This guy is not in jail, and the prosecution has no case. The guy is going to end up winning a law suit. No system is perfect because no system is made up of perfect people. The cops did something stupid. Their friends are trying to cover. It's not going to fly. When he's in jail THEN you can make a thread throwing around ideas like constitutional or freedom of the press. Until then this is no different from any other court case.

I say the person who made this thread is a moron.
He hasn't had his say back yet or a trial so I must be correct.
Thats how this works right?



First it's not an anti police thread. I dont paint the cops with a single brush. I dont think they're fascist. If there are bad cops or bad laws fix the bad cops or the bad laws. (Such as this one) The cops in this case were enforcing the law (Even if it is stupid) So I dont really blame them.

Well sir it's not primarily about just "This" case now is it? It's about a law that has unconstitutional elements in it. It's bogus law to begin with that serves no function to the public good. No the guy has not beaten it yet. He could still loose.

The very fact that people get arrested for this is ridiculous. Matter of fact in Chicago a women got arrested for this, and put on trial because she recorded a cop sexually harassing her (after she called them for help) Then when she tried the (Honest way) to get justice. They gave her the run around, and tried to ignore it, and hide it. So she recorded that conversation...She requested actions be taken, (Now with proof of wrong doings) and then was arrested, and she did go to trial.

Furthermore I dont need to see a man go to trial, and get convicted to know that a law violates the U.S Constitution. Does that make any sense?

So once again as you seemingly can't grasp a few things... Cops == not the real problem here. A law that gives more time for recording cops (Who record you all the time btw) than violent crimes, and violates constitutional rights == BAD.

Alu Utukku
Posted - 2011.09.02 19:12:00 - [20]
 

there is far more than enough evidence to show the trajectory of 'free countries' are no longer free, if they ever really were.

perhaps the closest analog would be the mccarthy era pinko red alerts where everyone and their dog was a communist that needed 'investigating' and simple investigation was cause enough to end whatever life you may have had.

now we're all 'terrorists', simply for making statements such as these. nevermind that dhs is the biggest scam out side of the financial markets in the past decade.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/29/terrorism

also related, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5FBCHKu2KU

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123101746.html

chertoff admits being financially linked to the company dhs bought the scanners from for the tsa.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.09.02 20:39:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Alu Utukku
there is far more than enough evidence to show the trajectory of 'free countries' are no longer free, if they ever really were.




America is SAID to be a free country.

It's a REAL free country.



Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:19:00 - [22]
 

Way to blow **** out of proportion.

They key phrase here is

"IF CONVICTED"

No judge will convict him of all counts; if anything he'll get some lesser sentence for like 6 months community service or something.


Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.03 02:54:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Way to blow **** out of proportion.

They key phrase here is

"IF CONVICTED"

No judge will convict him of all counts; if anything he'll get some lesser sentence for like 6 months community service or something.




Nothing is blown out of proportion.

When a citizen can be arrested and charged for these actions alone, that is the action of a tyrannical police state.

They serve us, not the other way around.

The fact he will face ANY punishment for doing what is patriotic and a community service is as wrong as wrong is wrong.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.09.03 03:16:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 03/09/2011 03:19:26
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Way to blow **** out of proportion.

They key phrase here is

"IF CONVICTED"

No judge will convict him of all counts; if anything he'll get some lesser sentence for like 6 months community service or something.




Back in 2005 I was on a clearly marked and legal hiking trail in upstate New York, and while standing right next to the sign that showed the park cop was wrong, his reply to my denial of wrongdoing was:

"well, then just fight it in court".

He did that on the premise that nobody is going to come all the way back up from Florida to fight a 60 dollar ticket.

Not only did I drive up, beat the ticket (because the coward pig knew I had a picture of him right next to the sign while he was having a temper tantrum because the 12 NYC firefighters I was with didn't avert their eyes and grovel before his badge), I went after his job and made sure a nice big fat stain hit his record.

Getting charged with a crime means a lot of time lost and hassle. If you are poor, you will get a public defender who gets his paycheck from the same source as the judge and the cops - and that defense will want to plea you out. The cops will heap on every little charge they can think of too. If you bounce too hard when they pin you they call that "resisting arrest".

Funny though that in all cases where cops are caught beating people up for no reason, it was on video, and that was the ONLY defense the person had. How many people are languishing in prison because someone did not have a camera?

It's criminal at this point. We have thug cops. Period. And if you shoot them, they get a state funeral complete with all the pomp and circumstance laced with disgusting cop worship.

Catch them on camera, and put it on the internet, and the thug cop will wish you shot at him instead. They are no longer victims when you catch them in the act of being thugs.

Victimism plays a key role in America today. We have an entire generation raised on the notion that if you are the victim, you can do anything you want, even break the law. So the concept of "cops as victims" is important. Catch them having tantrums and acting like bullies and this notion is gone.

Keep in mind that if you are poor and still manage to hire a lawyer and get a good defense, you are bankrupt anyway. But if you are rich, they "system" will get a boatload of money out of you . This is why the police invented this DUI thing. If you so much as admit to having ANY alcohol that day, even if one glass of wine with dinner that was hours ago, they can stick you with DUI and will. They do this because from a poor person they are still going to get around 1000 dollars. From people who have money, up to 30000, for the same crime.

They do this because the fat cop is going to have health problems by the time he retires, and his fat wife already has diabetes and bad knees. His fat kids, one autistic because like a good little citizen the cop had his kids vaccinated, already have health problems. The majority of police and government jobs come with full health coverage. So a cop can make from 40 to 80 thousand a year depending on where he works, but suck up hundreds of thousands more in health care cost, benefits, and then pension and retirement where they keep going on raking in a lot of money long after they stop working. It's called "P&R" and few cops will disobey unlawful orders because it will risk their P&R.

So the state is going to milk every last dollar it can out of the milk cows (that's us). Honest people cannot work in a job like that. I know a lot of good people, many of them were once cops.




Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.09.03 03:58:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Way to blow **** out of proportion.

They key phrase here is

"IF CONVICTED"

No judge will convict him of all counts; if anything he'll get some lesser sentence for like 6 months community service or something.




No the key word here is arrested... You think it's ok that people can get arrested for video taping/recording cops in their own homes? You're ok with the press not being able to video tape cops in public? Being arrested,charged, and awaiting a felony trial isn't a small thing. What if that person can't afford bail? That means they sit in city jail until their court date which is usually a couple of months.

Let's say he does get 6 months of CC. You really think someone taping cops should get that? Has anyone yet been able to explain what public service or public safety this law provides? Or why in some states cops are now required to wear video cameras on their person full time when on duty? Bit of a dichotomy when you have states with exact opposite laws.

Furthermore lets just create a hypothetical situation. (Not really that hypothetical now because we see plenty of bad cops going overboard on video) You take out your phone take a few snap shots at a scene...maybe the cops have acted poorly maybe they haven't. You're fine with getting your phone confiscated or yourself arrested? Not even impeding a police action just standing off to the side? If anything the cops were doing their job your video could prove just that... That they took appropriate actions. Which could avoid some ******ed lawsuit against them or the city etc...Saving money and time.

Someone please enlighten me why this is a good thing or something to be ignored?

VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.09.03 06:16:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 03/09/2011 06:16:32
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Someone please enlighten me why this is a good thing or something to be ignored?


You're writing in a second half of what everyone says. I don't know what your problem is but it's really annoying that you spin everything like this.

No one said it was a positive thing that it happened, they were arguing against you blowing it out of proportion toward the negative.


Originally by: Blacksquirrel

No the key word here is arrested...



This is called backpedalling. You started a thread with keywords about spending the better part of a cetury in jail, and you knew it was trivial and he wouldn't be. Now you're talking about being convicted and you know that THAT is trivial because he won't be it. Even says in your own ****ing vid they have no case.

You think anyone is fooled by **** like this?

Next you'll be talking about whatever the next step down is like it's the end of all freedom and they are stamping your occupation as a barcode on your ass when you're born. When you run out of things to take into hyperbole the thread will die and you'll calm down until you find another article to start over with again.

It's ridiculous sensationalism.
It's not helping anyone.

There's a real discussion that could be had about what to do with the situation of an officer being wrong when arresting someone and how to balance error rate with abuse, and you are just getting in the way with this bull**** 'enlighten me about how it's a good thing' derail attempt in your own thread!

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.03 08:52:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 03/09/2011 06:16:32
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Someone please enlighten me why this is a good thing or something to be ignored?


You're writing in a second half of what everyone says. I don't know what your problem is but it's really annoying that you spin everything like this.

No one said it was a positive thing that it happened, they were arguing against you blowing it out of proportion toward the negative.


Originally by: Blacksquirrel

No the key word here is arrested...



This is called backpedalling. You started a thread with keywords about spending the better part of a cetury in jail, and you knew it was trivial and he wouldn't be. Now you're talking about being convicted and you know that THAT is trivial because he won't be it. Even says in your own ****ing vid they have no case.

You think anyone is fooled by **** like this?

Next you'll be talking about whatever the next step down is like it's the end of all freedom and they are stamping your occupation as a barcode on your ass when you're born. When you run out of things to take into hyperbole the thread will die and you'll calm down until you find another article to start over with again.

It's ridiculous sensationalism.
It's not helping anyone.

There's a real discussion that could be had about what to do with the situation of an officer being wrong when arresting someone and how to balance error rate with abuse, and you are just getting in the way with this bull**** 'enlighten me about how it's a good thing' derail attempt in your own thread!



Funny how pointing out a preposterous arrest and the charges made can be considered blowing something out of proportion.

Did he not get arrested? Are the charges against him punishable by the terms detailed?

Or is you assumption what is blown out of proportion? That he hasn't yet been convicted in a court of law is evidence there is nothing to see here, move along.

It's not ridiculous sensationalism, it's ridiculous law enforcement.
It is helping everyone. In a democracy, if people don't know **** like this is going on, no one will move to stop it.

Why don't you enlighten us as to why this is such a non issue? Nothing to be worried about.

How could we make you eat your words knowing you would just shrivel away from the thread never to be heard from again if a judge actually convicted and sentenced this man to prison time for doing what is a civic duty?

Oh that's right, no one ever gets convicted wrongly in kangaroo courts in this country... also, there is NO PROBLEM with police over stepping their bounds either (all a liberal cop-hating lie)

therefore we should not be worried about stuff like this.

The nerve of people being upset about stuff like this and discussing it on forums. Jeez. What is this world coming to.

Everyone shut up and stop talking about this. You've offended VKhaun with something that doesn't align with his personal opinions.

VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.09.03 13:00:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia

Funny how pointing out a preposterous arrest and the charges made can be considered blowing something out of proportion.

Did he not get arrested? Are the charges against him punishable by the terms detailed?



Thanks for repeating his mistake and doubling my example.

My work in this thread is done. I'm not going in circles like last time, I have a clear example of my point posted twice back to back and I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.09.03 14:16:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 03/09/2011 14:17:51
Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 03/09/2011 06:16:32
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Someone please enlighten me why this is a good thing or something to be ignored?


You're writing in a second half of what everyone says. I don't know what your problem is but it's really annoying that you spin everything like this.

No one said it was a positive thing that it happened, they were arguing against you blowing it out of proportion toward the negative.


Originally by: Blacksquirrel

No the key word here is arrested...



This is called backpedalling. You started a thread with keywords about spending the better part of a cetury in jail, and you knew it was trivial and he wouldn't be. Now you're talking about being convicted and you know that THAT is trivial because he won't be it. Even says in your own ****ing vid they have no case.

You think anyone is fooled by **** like this?

Next you'll be talking about whatever the next step down is like it's the end of all freedom and they are stamping your occupation as a barcode on your ass when you're born. When you run out of things to take into hyperbole the thread will die and you'll calm down until you find another article to start over with again.

It's ridiculous sensationalism.
It's not helping anyone.

There's a real discussion that could be had about what to do with the situation of an officer being wrong when arresting someone and how to balance error rate with abuse, and you are just getting in the way with this bull**** 'enlighten me about how it's a good thing' derail attempt in your own thread!



I can't be upset about the whole thing? I should really just wait for conviction because thats what my original post states?

I've already stated people have been arrested and sent to trial over this. The whole thing is BS. And if i am making "forum drama" I dont care in the least bit. Getting arrested for nonsense is something to be upset over... And this hasnt just happened once or twice.
Furthermore you have no way of knowing if the man will or wont be convicted. I would assume a judge or jury would see such a case and throw it out... But I would also assume that a law such as this wouldnt be made in the first place.

He could be convicted because well he did break the law...(which is video taping or recording police is a felony)

I'm not attempting to derail my own thread it's was a rhetorical statement. Nor would that really be an instance of "detrailment" as it's still a part of the topic on hand.
So you really believe that a person shouldnt be upset over people getting arrested and sent to trial over video taping police? Hell they drop drug cases more than these now in Illinois.

Too reiterate for the third time... The whole thing stinks, and people should not be arrested, await trial, or even go to trial for something like this.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.03 14:30:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia

Funny how pointing out a preposterous arrest and the charges made can be considered blowing something out of proportion.

Did he not get arrested? Are the charges against him punishable by the terms detailed?



Thanks for repeating his mistake and doubling my example.

My work in this thread is done. I'm not going in circles like last time, I have a clear example of my point posted twice back to back and I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.


"Ha ha I got you, I was secretly tricking you with a trick no one but me saw but I got you and I won. I'm going home now and I'm turning off the computer so you can't say otherwise don't even bother I wont be here I fell for that before I already know I won so I'm leaving. Good thing I got you so good that I won ok I'm done here bye don't even type anything in response because I wont even see it I'm asleep already"

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