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The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:52:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
My point was every time someone else reads a reply, they get biased.


The influence of other posters on the forum is minor when you can play F.E.A.R. with full graphics at 25-30 FPS, but you can only get max 5 FPS for one single room with one single character in it with lowest settings possible.

The OP's question was about CQ part of the game and honestly - it doesn't exist. They have forced the deployment of unfinished product and managed to remove widely used features from in-station interface in the process while not even thinking about possible solutions and replacements for the old features. Other forum posters can not influence the results that much.

Alexzia Sevic
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:54:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Alexzia Sevic on 01/09/2011 18:57:54
Quote:
I don't know where you think I can't draw a distinction between data collection and data analysis.

Because you suggested I stick a disclaimer in my original post, but that disclaimer would only have made sense if I were actually publishing statistics.



You're half right. You would need it if you were publishing statistics and analysis. But my intent in suggesting the disclaimer was also to get you to think about how the data was being collected.


Quote:

The influence of other posters on the forum is minor when you can play F.E.A.R. with full graphics at 25-30 FPS, but you can only get max 5 FPS for one single room with one single character in it with lowest settings possible.

The OP's question was about CQ part of the game and honestly - it doesn't exist. They have forced the deployment of unfinished product and managed to remove widely used features from in-station interface in the process while not even thinking about possible solutions and replacements for the old features. Other forum posters can not influence the results that much.


No doubt that the influence may be small. But it is non-zero. You're right that is mostly just academic.

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:56:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: A Little Girl
This thread does not have enough monoclelols. I summon Monocles!


WoW, fail....


0/5

Reilly Duvolle
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:57:00 - [64]
 

I started playing in Revelations II, so Incarna is my 8th expansion. I have seen a couple of great ones (Trinity, Apocrypha), a couple of good ones (Quantum Rise, Dominion) and some average ones (Empyrean Age, Tyrannis, Incursion) . Well, Tyrannis was acutally borderline poor.

However, Incarna is the first expansion in EVE history i am not hesitating to give 1/5. Awful. Its no other way of putting it. Funny to think of, when I used to be very exited about Incarna...

Zela Kahn
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:58:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Zela Kahn on 01/09/2011 18:58:59
Originally by: The Offerer
Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
My point was every time someone else reads a reply, they get biased.


The influence of other posters on the forum is minor when you can play F.E.A.R. with full graphics at 25-30 FPS, but you can only get max 5 FPS for one single room with one single character in it with lowest settings possible.

The OP's question was about CQ part of the game and honestly - it doesn't exist. They have forced the deployment of unfinished product and managed to remove widely used features from in-station interface in the process while not even thinking about possible solutions and replacements for the old features. Other forum posters can not influence the results that much.

^5/5 response right there.***


0/0 for incarna 1.1= never even happened.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:04:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
You're half right. You would need it if you were publishing statistics and analysis. But my intent in suggesting the disclaimer was also to get you to think about how the data was being collected.

That was not the impression your post gave me.

But I will concede that you are right. The data here, if used in statistical analysis, would be subject to all kinds of ifs and buts. As is most data, honestly.

But I was explicitly interested in seeking public opinion of forum members. If I could study CCP's data directly, I would. For the record, statistics I'd be interested in:

How many people have CQ disabled
How many people even know how to disable CQ
Graphs detailing player activity, specifically how much people were online on average and docked on average both before and after Incarna
Cash shop data

.. And much much more. Unfortunately, the best I have at this time is a messy forum poll. I wanted to try and eliminate as much noise as possible. This was my best option.

Ydnari
Gallente
Estrale Frontiers
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:06:00 - [67]
 

1: Bad

Zela Kahn
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:10:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Zela Kahn on 01/09/2011 19:12:03
Originally by: Foofad
4/5 - One star lost due to prices of cash shop items.


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Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:17:00 - [69]
 

1/5

what the community wants are simple, we want old hanger + button to enter CQ. give us this and it would be 2/5 not everyone wants the lagmonster or door pictue

optimize cq so it isnt a resource hog (would be 3/5)

the old turret icons should return, they looked 1000times better then the new ones (4/5)

NEX has become the laughing stock of MMO's with the macro transactions, also things u buy are not destroyable. not to mention there are plenty of other things that would have been better to put time into such as faction warfare and fighting botters and bugs.
(5/5 if this was all done)

Cdkey Disabled
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:26:00 - [70]
 

Very poor


BUT


Maybe its a step up and preparation for the future (which is what it looks like to me).


Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:27:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Foofad
4/5 - One star lost due to prices of cash shop items.


Looooooooser!

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:30:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Cdkey Disabled
Very poor


BUT


Maybe its a step up and preparation for the future (which is what it looks like to me).




I REALLY hope so. The concept has the potential.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:31:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: ShahFluffers on 01/09/2011 19:32:29

1/5

They took away my hanger, forced me into a room I have no desire to be in (seriously? 6 years of development and THIS is the best they can do? Either release the whole finished product at once (or in intervals over a short period of time) or don't release it at all), introduced a Mircotransaction shop with hyper-inflated prices (slippery slope people), and haven't balanced any ships that everyone KNOWS needs to be nerfed/buffed/tinkered with.

EL TITAN
Caldari
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:33:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Zela Kahn
Edited by: Zela Kahn on 01/09/2011 18:58:59
Originally by: The Offerer
Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
My point was every time someone else reads a reply, they get biased.


The influence of other posters on the forum is minor when you can play F.E.A.R. with full graphics at 25-30 FPS, but you can only get max 5 FPS for one single room with one single character in it with lowest settings possible.

The OP's question was about CQ part of the game and honestly - it doesn't exist. They have forced the deployment of unfinished product and managed to remove widely used features from in-station interface in the process while not even thinking about possible solutions and replacements for the old features. Other forum posters can not influence the results that much.

^5/5 response right there.***


0/0 for incarna 1.1= never even happened.



wow you take the words out of my mouth!

actually i should log back in to my wow account

Alexzia Sevic
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:48:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Alexzia Sevic on 01/09/2011 19:48:30
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
You're half right. You would need it if you were publishing statistics and analysis. But my intent in suggesting the disclaimer was also to get you to think about how the data was being collected.

That was not the impression your post gave me.

But I will concede that you are right. The data here, if used in statistical analysis, would be subject to all kinds of ifs and buts. As is most data, honestly.

But I was explicitly interested in seeking public opinion of forum members. If I could study CCP's data directly, I would. For the record, statistics I'd be interested in:

How many people have CQ disabled
How many people even know how to disable CQ
Graphs detailing player activity, specifically how much people were online on average and docked on average both before and after Incarna
Cash shop data

.. And much much more. Unfortunately, the best I have at this time is a messy forum poll. I wanted to try and eliminate as much noise as possible. This was my best option.


I agree I think that would be cool to look at. But CCPs not going to give it up. Because I would suspect it would confirm the viewpoints of 95% of the posts in this thread. And no one likes to release stuff that makes them look bad.

You might actually be able to get descent responses from those other questions. Obviously the graphs will be hard to come by. Maybe you could go into a newby system and ask those questions? Offer 1mil for responses. It might bias your results toward what new players think, as 1 mil isn't a lot to anyone thats been playing a long time and it might not be worth their time. Its not a perfect method, but its not a terrible one either.

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:58:00 - [76]
 

In its current state it's absolutely a 1/5 (I come on... it's a SINGLE ROOM ffs).

The multiplayer version, with bars, shops, gambling, corp meetings, and dynamic character animation, would be a 5/5 to me... Somehow I don't see it getting delivered like that though. Actually, I fully expect the in station real estate market to run on NeX, which would be very sad to me.

EI Digin
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.09.01 20:00:00 - [77]
 

9001

Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.01 20:02:00 - [78]
 

0

The implementation, management decisions, fallout, handling of said fallout and current idiocy doesn't even rate it a 1 tbh.

Barbies in space = fail.

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2011.09.01 20:02:00 - [79]
 

1/5 so far its been very underwhelming

Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.09.01 20:40:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 01/09/2011 20:41:37
10/5.

Not only do I finally get the beginning of a feature I've been waiting on since I originally opened a trial account back in '05, but this expansion has single-handedly unearthed all of the whiners whom are completely resistant to change, and hopefully, will cause them to return to whichever dead MMO they derive from. You know, that extremely small handful of games that never changed.

edit: And to the guy saying he can play F.E.A.R. on max settings. lolcakes, F.E.A.R. is how old? I can play 20 copies of F.E.A.R. on max settings.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.01 21:22:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 01/09/2011 20:41:37
10/5.

Not only do I finally get the beginning of a feature I've been waiting on since I originally opened a trial account back in '05, but this expansion has single-handedly unearthed all of the whiners whom are completely resistant to change, and hopefully, will cause them to return to whichever dead MMO they derive from. You know, that extremely small handful of games that never changed.

edit: And to the guy saying he can play F.E.A.R. on max settings. lolcakes, F.E.A.R. is how old? I can play 20 copies of F.E.A.R. on max settings.

Trolling comments: Hilmar is that you?

Also:
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Non-trolling comment: There's a difference between a change for the better and a change for the worse, especially with MMO's, and compared to many MMO releases Incarnage was definitely a change for the worse.

Example of change for the better:
(One that I loath using) WoW's streamlining of group finding totally revamped finding instances after they released the second expansion, which was pretty much universally loved by both existing and new playerbase.

Example of change for the worse:
(One that I'm ashamed I fell for) CCP promised to give us Walking In Stations since before I started play ('07 if my memory stands). At first, it looked good enough, and there was a lot of optimism. Then the 'one more year' line started appearing. Ambulation/Incarna/WiS became something of a joke. Lo and behold, when they revamped the face gen for Incursion, Incarna was again talked about. There was a good amount of hope. CCP mentioned the possibility of clothing items for sale for RL money. Although grumbled about, most people assumed the stuff would be reasonably priced and still cool. Lo and behold, Incarna comes out, with all the much-touted interaction, customization, and coolness cut out. The NeX store is a disaster area, and not only is the whole thing underwhelming, but it removes most of the functionality from hangar view, it is dismally difficult to run, and there's no opt-out. Player rage ensues, something like 6k subs are cancelled, and CCP's damage control team fails utterly. I haven't heard if they've made the lost subs back from MT or new ones yet, but I highly doubt it.

And to your cute little edit, I believe he's referring to the latest FEAR game. IE, something that is comparable in detail to Incarna yet doesn't require the goddamn Monolith to run at decent framerates.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:31:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: RougeOperator on 01/09/2011 22:35:07

1/5 As per OPs poll choices.

-5/5 for the CCP handling of the situation and PR responses and suspect ALTs posting. Same for CSM sycophants and brown nose crew. Insane pricing on NEX goods then LIEs LIEs LIEs and attitude that the customers are idiots and should just hand over money. Obvious BS PR stunts have ruined their reputation that had been rather good even recovered from t20 at that point.

They flushed it all for geed is good.

Remember Googles old "Do No Evil mantra". That ended up having one of the founders leave in protest of the direction it was going when they started on the "Greed is good" mentality themselves.

Pro Tip CCP you are not big enough to pull off a Google turn to, "evil is A-ok as long as we get lots of money" philosophy.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:36:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Ghoest on 01/09/2011 22:37:11
Im confused. Even if you absolutely love the concept of Incarna and the Nex shop - how could you possibly think of Incarna as anything but a failure?

Were rating the result not the intent.

Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:37:00 - [84]
 

-5/5

THIS IS A EPIC FAIL RATING...

I don't think it can get worse... until the next patch, which then it will be worse...

Kiree Chancel
Phantom Squad
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:51:00 - [85]
 

1/5

Trainwreck McGee
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:55:00 - [86]
 

1/5 and 2/5

Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:58:00 - [87]
 

0/5

Incarna is utter crap and the biggest waste of investment and resources I have ever seen in any project inside/outside Eve. If the Incarna budget had been allocated to addressing actual Eve gameplay issues and content, I'd be confident the subscriber base would still be growing and we would still have a happy, positive and vibrant (not to mention profitable) community.

Instead there is almost universal disillusionment with a feeling that we are all living on borrowed time. The only constant we have from CCP is that 'investing in Eve is a good idea, but we have no plans for that at present'.

Short of a catastrophic failure brought about by sheer collapse of subscribers or a killer competitor coming to market, I'm not convinced CCP is ever going to 'get it' and will plough ahead regardless with their holier than though attitude, ignoring all customer feedback.

Hossein Fahmideh
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:03:00 - [88]
 

0/5 for Content
1/5 for Quality
5/5 for the Lols

Susitna
Caldari
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:19:00 - [89]
 

1 bad

Percival Gates
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:33:00 - [90]
 

1/5 - at least my boot.ini is still intact this time. For me, incarna has been more negative than positive. Mad

I just want two things:
1) I want station spinning back!
2) I want to be able to double click in the station to open my cargohold!!


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