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Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:14:00 - [31]
 

I rate it [-] out of 5.

It was pretty pointless.

Achaikos
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:15:00 - [32]
 

0/5

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:15:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
You do know that all data has statistics associated with it right? And you did say you are interested in statistics. Do I need to quote it for you?

Yes, but that's not the point.

It is standard fare to post a disclaimer about the accuracy of my sample and details about the data, if I were publishing statistics. However, in this thread, I am not actually publishing statistics. I am collecting data. There is no need for me to add such a disclaimer, because I make no claims about the validity of the data, or seek to draw any conclusions from the data. I'm just collecting data based on an inquiry.

Since I'm not publishing, claiming the validity of, or drawing conclusions from the data, your disclaimer has no place in my post.

Ronald Ray Gun
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:17:00 - [34]
 

0/5

I would have given it 1/5 but forcing people to leave their ship to experience this is just plain dumb.

Alexzia Sevic
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:21:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
You do know that all data has statistics associated with it right? And you did say you are interested in statistics. Do I need to quote it for you?

Yes, but that's not the point.

It is standard fare to post a disclaimer about the accuracy of my sample and details about the data, if I were publishing statistics. However, in this thread, I am not actually publishing statistics. I am collecting data. There is no need for me to add such a disclaimer, because I make no claims about the validity of the data, or seek to draw any conclusions from the data. I'm just collecting data based on an inquiry.

Since I'm not publishing, claiming the validity of, or drawing conclusions from the data, your disclaimer has no place in my post.


Actually if you just added that it would be fine. But your omission in the first places leaves room for speculation.

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:21:00 - [36]
 

-2.9

Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:22:00 - [37]
 

I'd give it a 1/5 if it was optional and didnt make the whole client run worse (even with CQ off)

Seen as it actually reduced functionality and is no longer playable on my laptop I'll give it a 0/5

I quite honestly wish it had never happened.

dgastuffz
Caldari
Hell's Revenge
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:25:00 - [38]
 

1/5

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:27:00 - [39]
 

-1
or 0 if i have to

Lors Dornick
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:30:00 - [40]
 

0/5 since we've only got a tech demo so far.

Might be good when they actually release something.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:31:00 - [41]
 

1/5

Incarna was made public too early. Zero interaction with other players outside of existing mechanisms and a very high hardware utilization rate *just* to exit a ship and walk around a [Minmatar] room?

I have gone the way of The Door as CQ is a complete waste of my system resources and the extra power they use.

das licht
Gallente
Echtzeit AG
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:31:00 - [42]
 

1/5 for that work.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:32:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Palovana
1/4

(that's not "one out of four" but an indication of how finished it is: 25%)

rootimus maximus
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:33:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Tippia
0/5 Not released yet.


What he said.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:35:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
Actually if you just added that it would be fine. But your omission in the first places leaves room for speculation.

The fact that others may collect raw data from this thread and draw their own conclusions is completely irrelevant. I am under no obligation to ensure that others do not perform their own inaccurate statistical analysis.

In fact, even if I'd gone so far as to collect all the data in this thread and publish the mean, median and mode of the data, I still wouldn't be under any obligation to put your disclaimer in my post, because I would still not be attempting to draw any conclusions from the actual data.

N1gella Laws0n
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:35:00 - [46]
 

1. Bad
2. Poor.


But....

Incarna is both bad and poor... I don't get it...

Alexzia Sevic
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:47:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Alexzia Sevic on 01/09/2011 17:48:25
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
Actually if you just added that it would be fine. But your omission in the first places leaves room for speculation.

The fact that others may collect raw data from this thread and draw their own conclusions is completely irrelevant. I am under no obligation to ensure that others do not perform their own inaccurate statistical analysis.

In fact, even if I'd gone so far as to collect all the data in this thread and publish the mean, median and mode of the data, I still wouldn't be under any obligation to put your disclaimer in my post, because I would still not be attempting to draw any conclusions from the actual data.


You're saying that if you did publish data that had questionable origins that you would not feel the need to state that? Do you actually care what information you're getting? Or is this thread just another guise to troll on incarna?

I'm just going to say that not only are your collection techniques invalid, but every post is biased by the time its gets posted, as the authors eyes scroll across every post on the way down to press reply. You may have protected the first reply by not giving your own score, but every subsequent one was not.

If you were actually interested in people's opinion you would put that you know its not scientific, or valid. You might actually get people who do like incarna to post in here, as they think it would be genuine. But sadly, the original post just comes across as another effort to incite discontent with the latest expansion, so the people that may support it just hit the back button rather then wade through the chorus of tears.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:58:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
You're saying that if you did publish data that had questionable origins that you would not feel the need to state that? Do you actually care what information you're getting? Or is this thread just another guise to troll on incarna?

I'm just going to say that not only are your collection techniques invalid, but every post is biased by the time its gets posted, as the authors eyes scroll across every post on the way down to press reply. You may have protected the first reply by not giving your own score, but every subsequent one was not.

If you were actually interested in people's opinion you would put that you know its not scientific, or valid. You might actually get people who do like incarna to post in here, as they think it would be genuine. But sadly, the original post just comes across as another effort to incite discontent with the latest expansion, so the people that may support it just hit the back button rather then wade through the chorus of tears.

The efficiency of my data collection techniques depends entirely on the purposes that I intend to use the data for.

I could've given my thoughts about Incarna in the first post, but I didn't, because if I had, I would have run the risk that people would argue with my opinion rather than providing the data I was interested in. It might also have discouraged people from voicing their opinion (or encouraged them to voice an opposing opinion) based on the opinion I had posted, on the grounds that "this is an anti-incarna thread", or "this is a pro-incarna thread".

But you did not come in here with the intent of ensuring that I provide accurate statistical analysis, you came here with the intent of mouthing off and discouraging people from voicing negative opinions about Incarna. While doing this, you made a thinly veiled attempt to sound unbiased by trying to sound intellectual. Unfortunately, perhaps because your judgement was clouded by your personal feelings, or perhaps because you're not as smart as you pretend to be, you failed to draw a distinction between data sampling and data analysis. As a result, you looked like a tool, and now you're trying to save face as best you can. You're not doing a very good job of it.

So if you would be so very kind, please either respond to the poll or get the hell out of my thread.

Thanks.

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:01:00 - [49]
 

0/5 for both useless thread and Incarnation... I'd rather hit myself repeatedly with a tin of condensed milk...

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:05:00 - [50]
 

1

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:08:00 - [51]
 

Not rated. Incarna has had no effect on the wormhole way of life, aside from a little more time wasted on those rare trips to K-space, and that's not enough data to rate with.

Wookie 1
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:12:00 - [52]
 

1/5 using your grading system. However its more 0/5 Unbelieveably awful

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:25:00 - [53]
 

1/5

CQ doesn't exist. There's only "The Door" for me (and a lot of features that were removed, like opening cargohold of an active ship by double clicking empty space or making ship active by drag-and-drop method).

Ralon Perzine
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:31:00 - [54]
 

I came back to EVE for Incarna, I think I'm the target audience that CCP was shotting for. I could never feel like the ship floating in ship was me, I've always had an avatar to look at in other MMO's. I really liked the new character creator when it launched...but

1/5

This is not the Incarna I was looking for. One room and forced to disembark everytime you dock...sorry not what I wanted at all.

Alexzia Sevic
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:31:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
You're saying that if you did publish data that had questionable origins that you would not feel the need to state that? Do you actually care what information you're getting? Or is this thread just another guise to troll on incarna?

I'm just going to say that not only are your collection techniques invalid, but every post is biased by the time its gets posted, as the authors eyes scroll across every post on the way down to press reply. You may have protected the first reply by not giving your own score, but every subsequent one was not.

If you were actually interested in people's opinion you would put that you know its not scientific, or valid. You might actually get people who do like incarna to post in here, as they think it would be genuine. But sadly, the original post just comes across as another effort to incite discontent with the latest expansion, so the people that may support it just hit the back button rather then wade through the chorus of tears.

The efficiency of my data collection techniques depends entirely on the purposes that I intend to use the data for.

I could've given my thoughts about Incarna in the first post, but I didn't, because if I had, I would have run the risk that people would argue with my opinion rather than providing the data I was interested in. It might also have discouraged people from voicing their opinion (or encouraged them to voice an opposing opinion) based on the opinion I had posted, on the grounds that "this is an anti-incarna thread", or "this is a pro-incarna thread".

But you did not come in here with the intent of ensuring that I provide accurate statistical analysis, you came here with the intent of mouthing off and discouraging people from voicing negative opinions about Incarna. While doing this, you made a thinly veiled attempt to sound unbiased by trying to sound intellectual. Unfortunately, perhaps because your judgement was clouded by your personal feelings, or perhaps because you're not as smart as you pretend to be, you failed to draw a distinction between data sampling and data analysis. As a result, you looked like a tool, and now you're trying to save face as best you can. You're not doing a very good job of it.

So if you would be so very kind, please either respond to the poll or get the hell out of my thread.

Thanks.


I spend 98% of my time in WH space, so I don't even get to see the inside of stations. So honestly, I don't care what the expansion did. Go ahead, check my alliance. See what we do. The only thing I got out of incarna was new turrets. WiS couldn't have less of an effect on how I play eve. No my purpose in here was to insure that some level of intellectual integrity remains on these forums.

You're right in not posting your opinion. That would have 100% biased the thread one way or another. My point was every time someone else reads a reply, they get biased. Its been well documented that people will go along with what they think the group wants to do.

I don't know where you think I can't draw a distinction between data collection and data analysis. My point all along is that if you wanted to have a proper analysis, this isn't the method to do it. If you don't care about the analysis, as you say, then why collect the data at all? You may as well just go into a random number generator and get data that way. But you do care where the data comes from, else why make this thread? So you do want to do some analysis on it. Even if just your eyes view it, your deluding yourself to think it means anything.

For the 2% of time I do spend in stations: 3/5 for incarna. -1 for shadow bugs, -1 because I can't right click anywhere in space and access a menu like in the old hanger. There you have it!

Steph Wing
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:34:00 - [56]
 

1/5

+ All the racial CQs would bring this to a 2/5

+ Establishments would make this a 3/5

+ Ship Spinning back would make this a 4/5

Not having wasted :18months: of art assets on this would make it a 5/5 tbh

Lord Kreza
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:35:00 - [57]
 

1/5

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:41:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Alexzia Sevic
No my purpose in here was to insure that some level of intellectual integrity remains on these forums.

I will simply say that I don't believe you and leave it at that.
Quote:
My point was every time someone else reads a reply, they get biased. Its been well documented that people will go along with what they think the group wants to do.

I doubt their opinions are going to be changed simply by reading this thread. Peoples opinions have probably settled down by this point, hence the "it's been a couple of months". And yes, technically every post in this thread will bias a person, and every post on the forums, and every opinion ever spouted by an in-game member and their own personal views on politics and all that other crap will bias a person. The point of this exercise was to gather opinions, not to speculate on how people grew to develop those opinions.
Quote:
I don't know where you think I can't draw a distinction between data collection and data analysis.

Because you suggested I stick a disclaimer in my original post, but that disclaimer would only have made sense if I were actually publishing statistics.
Quote:
3/5

Thank you for your contribution!

Pablo Amadeus Zekairra
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:43:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Pablo Amadeus Zekairra on 01/09/2011 19:08:30
Originally by: Discrodia
Originally by: A Little Girl
This thread does not have enough monoclelols. I summon Monocles!

That'll be 70k Aurum. Have a nice day!


your crazy I say 100bil Aurum per month we have to endure through glitchy software and half ass DEV statements that dont even come scratch the surface of the issue.

with the way AuR prices are 70k aur is an even bigger rip off.
GIVE ME MY MONEY!
INCARNA 1.1=FAIL [EVE needs the force on this one.]

Foofad
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:47:00 - [60]
 

4/5 - One star lost due to prices of cash shop items.


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