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Olio Grey
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:05:00 - [1]
 

Hi everyone and thanks in advance for the help or for the crys of stfu carebear.(whichever category you fall into)

We are a brand new corp, myself and 3 friends have just under 3 months in the game.
We have been in a gaming clan for 15 years now and recently decided to try out Eve Online.

Here's my issue.

We decided to expand and recruit a bunch of new players that are around our same skill level. this way we can all learn together.(Trial accounts and the rest have less than 1 month gametime)

2 weeks ago we hade a Corporation declare war vs us. There name is Atrocity

After researching this Corp, we noticed they have 3 wars currently going on.
Every single war is with brand new Corporations. It appears they lack skills to fight vs people there own level so they only go after brand new players.

I'm talking people who have been playing less than a week or are even on there trial account still.

Not only does this corp continually go after brand new players, they then ransom you and say if you do not pay there fee of a few hundred million ISK they will keep at it until your corp disbands.

Now we are all older players, and 90% of us are Ex military (average age of corp is 40 years old).
So were not a bunch of little care bear crying kids, but this mechanic doesnt seem right.

I do not understand why CCP would allow such actions?

I am all for PVP and fun. And do understand this game is built on very minimal rules to promote fighting and out of the box thinking, which is cool.

But why allow a game mechanic tha losses sales and drops server population? CCP as a company, I would think this would be bad for there bottom line.

We have had 6 people permanetly quit the game. Thats loss revenue for CCP.

These were not carebear players, these were Ex Military people. You know, the ones who dont "play" war, but really defend our countrys.

Well they all said the same thing. What type of BS is this?
I've been playing the game for a total of 3 days, and can not do one thing. I can not undock, I can not go anywhere.

There blowing up brand new players in the rookie areas in impariers, sigils and bestowers with there T3 ships.

I mean come on! Really?

A goup of 6 kids can completly shut down any chance of playing this game for an entire corporation? To the point where they just give up and decide not to buy the game. Where as they were all Gun Ho to buy it before this war started.

This just seems odd to allow players who have been playing since beta to attack people who have been in the game for 1 hour.
And then they hold everyone ransom or force them to quit the game.

We were going to hire mercs, but to be honest this war has cost me over 1 Billion isk already, and with all of us being brand new players, we have no more ISK.

It's not like there even just attacking fighting ships.
They have podded every single person.
WTF! Podding someone who just started a few hours ago.

From talking to others around the system, this is nothing new. This is all these guys do.

So I ask, what can be done, and is this right?

I'm all for a good battle and war. But 3+year old players with millions of skill points and T3 ships vs 1 hour players with 50,000 skill points in an imparier. Come on, lets get serious.


My question is, what can be done?
Is our only option to train up an alt so they can start a second corporation and we move over to that, or are we better off just making our own private channel and going back to an NPC corp?

Kind of sad this games promotes pushing potential new players away. I know after that group of 5 decided not to buy the game, it made a few of the others think the same and there waiting to decided when there trial account runs out.

Oh and we did try to counter attack one of them the other day. It's not like we just rolled over. But to prove my point about 3+year old players vs a few weeks old players it was 7 vs 2 and we couldnt even kill one.... we never got his shields even down to 50%...

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:21:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Bad Messenger on 01/09/2011 14:28:29
Wars are totally legit and under rules.

The fact that they are doing this is that it is easy money for them, some will pay ransom some not.

My advice is that you should seek companion ship from some bigger alliance or merge to older corp who can deal thing like these. One option is also to get some advice from elder players how to do things during wardecs. I think that at leats Cosmic Raider was selling this kind of service back on days relatively cheap price.

EVE is good example what would world be like if government did not have laws and ways to ensure that people obey those, so it is jungle out there, good hunting ground for people like you, you just have to get some knowledge and skills to deal with people like those are.

EDIT: Link for Cosmic Raider thread, i do not know if he is around there doing stuff like this anymore.

Zakua Corbin
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:24:00 - [3]
 

Come join my Corp, Train your SP in a alliance based corporation. Alot more resources for learning and in the event of a wardec, we looove to go find the griefers....gives us a reason to leave lowsec and WH space.

Your frustrated, I can understand but you need to buck up and figure it out. Stay in NPC corp or join an Alliance, create and alt corp....hell take your guys into lowsec.

Find a set of agents 30 jumps away and bridged by lowsecs then keep an eye on local and you should easily be able to keep from getting caught up in a trap.

As for anything being wrong...no.. Game working as intended. Give a group some weapons and close them in a room together with no rules, eventualy they start shooting.

Olio Grey
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:41:00 - [4]
 

Cool, thanks for the quick reply.

Well it is, what it is.

Yup been to low sec a bunch it didnt help, even gone 40+ jumps away, didnt help. There using agent finders to track us.
Plus you need to factor in were talking about people who have been playing the games hours. So for them to go to Low sec or W space is not even an option. They are trying to get started in the game in the new area, and running the starter missions. But they cant even do that. They make a character and within an hour are stuck in a starbase for hours as this other corp obviously does not have a real life, cause there on all hours of the day.

Now for me or a few other guys, sure W space, Low sec, etc is fine and I have been doing that to be honest.
But come on a person in a tormentor or imparier with 5000 SP going to low sec? lol

Were all new to this game, 80% of our corp is either trial accounts or 2 weeks old max.
So many of the options you listed arent even viable unfortunately.


We've been together for 15 years so no worries about our core members leaving. Just thought it was pitiful that there was a mechanic in the game that allowed potential new paying customers to be chased away. Very odd Marketing and Sales idea, might even rank up there as the worse marketing idea I've ever seen a company do.


Well we have researched various tactics on how to counter this kind of prick, so we will start with those and see how it goes.

I thought a post might shed some insight for me on how CCP does not allow this sort of thing against trial accounts and day old players, but I was mistaken.....
Thanks for the offer to join your corp, but were good for now, thanks again for the reply's

xFlyingDutchman
Caldari
Blue Moon Salvage Yard
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:57:00 - [5]
 

Stupid mechanic or not, it IS still a mechanic.

That being said, you have a few options. Please note, you may not like what I'm about to say, but bear with me, as it's absolutely true.

You deserve nothing in EVE which you cannot defend from others.

I hate to say it, but if you're brand new you and your friends need to either stay in the NPC corp (Which is about as safe as it gets for you anywhere) or you need to join a larger, established corp. You are simply too new a character to be running a corp effectively. When griefers are looking for targets, you guys stand out like a sore thumb. While you're in the more established corp, learn some things. Pick up info about how a corp is run, how they deal with logistics, wars, training, etc. After you've got more experiance, then hit the "Create Corporation" button again. Trust me, you'll be much better off at that point.

Now on to your options:
-Drop corp and create another. Have your members join. Griefers, just like any other corp, have limited war slots. They're not likely going to waste yet another war sot on you.
-Drop corp overall, and hang out with your buddies in an NPC corp. You guys can create a private channel for just your friends, and play the game just like a normal corp, while you get used to it all.
-Hire mercs. (you said no to this, but keep your options open) it sounds like these guys would tuck-tail against anyone that shoots back. (Some mercs will even attack griefers like yours for free, because they hate them so)
-Go to Low-sec for a while. Most of these griefers who like to kill new players are terrified of low-sec and actual pvp in general.
(plus, living in Low-sec for a while will teach you TONS)

That's pretty much it. It's a crappy situation, but you do have options. Best of luck to you, and feel free to contact me in game if you need any more help.

Sverige Pahis
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Olio Grey
Cool, thanks for the quick reply.

Well it is, what it is.

Yup been to low sec a bunch it didnt help, even gone 40+ jumps away, didnt help. There using agent finders to track us.
Plus you need to factor in were talking about people who have been playing the games hours. So for them to go to Low sec or W space is not even an option. They are trying to get started in the game in the new area, and running the starter missions. But they cant even do that. They make a character and within an hour are stuck in a starbase for hours as this other corp obviously does not have a real life, cause there on all hours of the day.

Now for me or a few other guys, sure W space, Low sec, etc is fine and I have been doing that to be honest.
But come on a person in a tormentor or imparier with 5000 SP going to low sec? lol

Were all new to this game, 80% of our corp is either trial accounts or 2 weeks old max.
So many of the options you listed arent even viable unfortunately.


We've been together for 15 years so no worries about our core members leaving. Just thought it was pitiful that there was a mechanic in the game that allowed potential new paying customers to be chased away. Very odd Marketing and Sales idea, might even rank up there as the worse marketing idea I've ever seen a company do.


Well we have researched various tactics on how to counter this kind of prick, so we will start with those and see how it goes.

I thought a post might shed some insight for me on how CCP does not allow this sort of thing against trial accounts and day old players, but I was mistaken.....
Thanks for the offer to join your corp, but were good for now, thanks again for the reply's


You're dumb. You keep repeating that you're all old guys an ex-military like that should command respect or something. That's where you first went wrong. Then going on to say that you're not all whining children and then proceeding to whine like children isn't the best way forward. If you're not ready to be war deced in EVE Online: a bad game DO NOT create or join a corporation. Whenever you undock you open yourself up to attack AT ANY TIME. If you and your battle hardened friends (Laughing) can't handle that, then you should unsub. If not, read the advice you get in this thread by people more patient than me and learn from the experience.

Mara Abraham
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:10:00 - [7]
 

Good day Olio Grey:

First off, thank you for serving in the military (current or ex). It takes a certain type of person, exceptional of character and discipline, to be in the military.

While I agree with you in principal that either a war should not be allowed to be engaged until a corporation is of a certain age or the average membership age (i.e. days in the corp) are >= a certain number, or that the cost of the war increases dramatically based on the average age difference.... the given is that war is allowed.

While I'm in what I call a shell corporation (just to learn corporation mechanics), if I was in a small to medium corp where I had a voice, here's what I would share:

* Do not pay any ransoms; that only encourages them to continue the behavior. Please note I'm not against paying ransoms; just these type of ransoms.
* Do properly educate all members to have their overview setup correctly to see pvp targets.
* Do properly educate all members to add the war target corp to their address book and watch list with a -10 standing.
* Do properly educate all members to add each war target corp member to their watch list so they know who is online.
* Do properly educate all members to know pvp mechanics -- session times (undock, jumping through gate, aggression).

Use this war as a means to have everyone learn pvp. Check out http://failheap-challenge.com/forumdisplay.php?15-Ship-Setup-Hangar-PvP for pvp fits.

While I do have pvp articles at http://www.factionalwarfare.info/featured_articles/ have your members carefully study http://altruist.azual.co.uk/search/label/know%20your%20enemy.

Consider contracting a mercenary corporation to defend you.

Consider moving your corporation to low security space (there are a number of reasonably empty or low population systems). YES, you will have to contend with pirates as well as those who at like pirates, that will force those who declare war on you to work there way through pirate gate camps and what not to get to you.

Also, learn about combat plexes... find a minor that allows only t1 frigates and destroyers. Then use that to your advantage... especially since one cannot warp within a plex... you can easily spread out larger numbers, and pick them off.

When I was in Eve University, a small gang declared war on Eve University, and I remember two pilots --- TWO --- decimating most of our fleet because they fought within a minor plex (in their case one that allowed T2 frigates on down).

Thank you.


Sindeya Shimaya
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:16:00 - [8]
 

What can be done? How about reducing your losses. Losing 1 billion isk within 2 weeks for a 3 months old character probably means you're flying one battleship after the next.
Not only is that not very smart because you know you will lose it, but also because it takes much much more to be able to fly battleships effectively in PvP (effectively meaning you need large T2 weapons which alone takes about 3 months to train).

As for your corporation: Merge into an alliance that can back you up, or recruit older and experienced players that can assist you in fights - or both.

Rico Kovacs
Empire Raiding Party
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:19:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Rico Kovacs on 01/09/2011 15:30:52
Edited by: Rico Kovacs on 01/09/2011 15:28:02
Originally by: Olio Grey

A goup of 6 kids can completly shut down any chance of playing this game for an entire corporation? To the point where they just give up and decide not to buy the game. Where as they were all Gun Ho to buy it before this war started.

This says more about highsec industrial corps than game mechanics!

You have a core group of older players. You are ex-military guys. Come up with a strategy that makes these guys move on to the next target.

Originally by: xFlyingDutchman
-Go to Low-sec for a while. Most of these griefers who like to kill new players are terrified of low-sec and actual pvp in general.


Laughing

I don't know what is funnier, sending them to lowsec when they can't defend themselves against 6 guys who "are terrified of actual pvp" or how mistaken you are about "griefers".

Laughing

VegasMirage
The Scope
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:22:00 - [10]
 

I got thru like 20% of this tear jerker, so if its been answered already forewarned apology.

HIRE MERCS!!!

Simple solution for simple problems. You can HIRE GRIEFERS too, that would be me. I been hired many many times to fight mercs who were harassing the carebear populous.

In-game you will Right click on my avatar, send money to then anywhere from 500 mill and up. OR join the "Merc Channel" and hire away.

Lharanai
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:26:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Mara Abraham
Good day Olio Grey:

First off, thank you for serving in the military (current or ex). It takes a certain type of person, exceptional of character and discipline, to be in the military.

While I agree with you in principal that either a war should not be allowed to be engaged until a corporation is of a certain age or the average membership age (i.e. days in the corp) are >= a certain number, or that the cost of the war increases dramatically based on the average age difference.... the given is that war is allowed.

While I'm in what I call a shell corporation (just to learn corporation mechanics), if I was in a small to medium corp where I had a voice, here's what I would share:

* Do not pay any ransoms; that only encourages them to continue the behavior. Please note I'm not against paying ransoms; just these type of ransoms.
* Do properly educate all members to have their overview setup correctly to see pvp targets.
* Do properly educate all members to add the war target corp to their address book and watch list with a -10 standing.
* Do properly educate all members to add each war target corp member to their watch list so they know who is online.
* Do properly educate all members to know pvp mechanics -- session times (undock, jumping through gate, aggression).

Use this war as a means to have everyone learn pvp. Check out http://failheap-challenge.com/forumdisplay.php?15-Ship-Setup-Hangar-PvP for pvp fits.

While I do have pvp articles at http://www.factionalwarfare.info/featured_articles/ have your members carefully study http://altruist.azual.co.uk/search/label/know%20your%20enemy.

Consider contracting a mercenary corporation to defend you.

Consider moving your corporation to low security space (there are a number of reasonably empty or low population systems). YES, you will have to contend with pirates as well as those who at like pirates, that will force those who declare war on you to work there way through pirate gate camps and what not to get to you.

Also, learn about combat plexes... find a minor that allows only t1 frigates and destroyers. Then use that to your advantage... especially since one cannot warp within a plex... you can easily spread out larger numbers, and pick them off.

When I was in Eve University, a small gang declared war on Eve University, and I remember two pilots --- TWO --- decimating most of our fleet because they fought within a minor plex (in their case one that allowed T2 frigates on down).

Thank you.





Thanks the idea of using minors never occurred to me, learning something new every week

Dark Pangolin
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:03:00 - [12]
 

EVE has a learning curse so high that it amazes me new players still come into the game. Basically what everyone else said. Keep your chin up. Find a few older players willing to support/teach you. If you want to learn how to fight, join Faction War or Red Vs. Blue and get a few months of cheap pew pew and easy cash under your belt.

IF you would prefer to not PvP (Mind boggling but I guess some people like shooting computers) just stay in an NPC corp and deal with the occasional gank/ninja monkey.

When you're ready, move the heck out of high sec. There are too many mechanics advantages to the grief-er in high sec (even in low/null, but less so).

Ed Sullivan
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:49:00 - [13]
 

Some spot on advice in here (and a few trolls). I would just add a couple of points. Move your corp's 'home system' away from the more populated areas. You can still be in high-sec, but if you are in a quiet area you won't attract a lot of attention. Heck, I've gone years without a wardec, can flipper or suicide ganker (posting this on an alt so nobody gets any bright ideas). This may not help your current situation, but could avoid future issues.

Also, when you are able, get jumpclones. Then, in a situation like this, you can let the enemy spend their nights flying across the galaxy to try to get to you. In the meanwhile, if you bore them to death, they will probably just move on when the dec runs out. Don't undock or speak with them. Get them to camp you then just leave your computer on and go afk to the mall or whatever.

As others have said, these types of players don't like to leave high-sec, so maybe move to lowsec, or even null sec, for now. By scouting ahead with a shuttle you should be able to get your people past the highsec/lowsec border and find nice quiet system to operate in.

I know this type of behavior is frustrating for a new player. It's really not a game that's friendly to new players in many ways. But how many computer games can actually cause you to feel the euphoria of a victory, the rage at a loss and all the other emotions in between. How many games cause your hands to shake with adrenaline so much that you can barely operate your mouse? In my experience, Eve has been the only game that can do that.

Lebowskii
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:38:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Lebowskii on 01/09/2011 18:43:11
Same thing happened to me a year ago, we hired a merc corp...and on the first day 2 members from the merc corp came out and engaged the griefers. As the griefers' ships were DIAF they retracted the wardec, so mercs are a good option IMO. High sec PvP is a joke, and those who grief in high sec typically do so because they can not hack it in low or null and have no idea on how to conduct proper PvP.

Imustbecomfused
Close Proximity
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:39:00 - [15]
 

You have mail... :)

Lharanai
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:05:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ed Sullivan


I know this type of behavior is frustrating for a new player. It's really not a game that's friendly to new players in many ways. But how many computer games can actually cause you to feel the euphoria of a victory, the rage at a loss and all the other emotions in between. How many games cause your hands to shake with adrenaline so much that you can barely operate your mouse? In my experience, Eve has been the only game that can do that.


signed, and the only reason why I am still here

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:57:00 - [17]
 

If you are in the military, obviously you understand the strategy of hitting weaker targets and avoiding stronger ones, that is basic military strategy. This isn't like a fair sports match, this is war!

The very fact that EVE is harsh on some, attracts others. If you grow in experience and want to flex your virtual muscles, you can have your go at it too.

You don't openly fight a war you can't win, you try to limit your losses and maximize enemies, it is as simple as that. History is full of examples of uneven wars. Learn from them.

Durie
Posted - 2011.09.01 21:42:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Durie on 01/09/2011 21:44:50
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned EVE University yet. From what I hear they are exactly what you are looking for, a place for new players to learn the game together.

From reading your post, it sounds like you really don't need your own corporation. Corporations are really only useful if you want to plant a starbase or opperate like a business, but for your situation, a simple chat channel would be all you need.

Officer Nyota Uhura
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 22:21:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Olio Grey
Rant


I call troll. A failtroll. A giant failing assmunching craptroll.

OilSlick Rick
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:23:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: OilSlick Rick on 01/09/2011 23:32:05
You have a lot of common misconceptions about the game.

1. You do NOT need to have alot of SP to go against people. Two week old players and LESS have taken down HACs and other ships. It is more about knowledge and skill of the PLAYER than of the CHARACTER!
See the many YouTube videos and player posts about rookie players in low/null sec...

(edit: MintChip reposted a video a few weeks back showing friends in thoraxes remote repairing each other with armor repair bots taking down a few ships in null sec before the big cavalry came; QCats back some 3 years ago used to go on roams with dual tracking disrupter Rifters with a mix of optimal range and tracking speed scripts loaded. They would take down HACs disrupting and blowing up any drones that would be deployed...see...KNOWLEDGE and PLAYER SKILL is POWER!)

You could always join Eve University and get war dec'd by one player corps and have hundreds of yapping puppies to play with or stay in your tiny newb corp in high sec and accept it (or move your corp to a less populated area and keep your mouths shut in local, or move to low sec and learn to pvp; most low sec corps I would say do not receive the same high sec war dec'ing griefer treatment as high sec corps).

Herbstleyd
Atrocity.
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:44:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Herbstleyd on 01/09/2011 23:53:38
Ah, so here we go whining about the war. Satisfying to say the least. First of all, it's 4 wars - two for money, one incoming and one because you offended my mother in that EVEmail.

Second of all, the war is only still going because you refuse to learn from your mistakes. For every time you've insulted me (as in the player, not the character based on my in-game actions) the war will go on for another week. And, as you might remember, I actually replaced your newb corpie's Maller after blowing it up, so I can't be that bad... can I?

I told you, prepare to disband. It's your easier choice. Or get more people involved. Either way, I'll enjoy it (and like the rest of FONDL, I'm itching for pew pew).

Triple Entendre
Atrocity.
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:47:00 - [22]
 

Dear Sir and/or Madam,

It has come to my attention that you appear to take exception to the war declared upon you.

For what it's worth, we're all rather sexy individuals. We also wear tophats and have coats with tails. All formal, all the time.

Honestly, though, if you've done something to get decced by us, the chances are that it was one of your members mouthing off or something. That tends to get people bitten in the arse.

Welcome to Eve. We'll be sure to invoice you for the war costs soon.

As always, your custom is appreciated.

- Triple Entendre, Professor of Mad Bastardry and Public Relations Specialist.

Tsia
Atrocity.
Posted - 2011.09.01 23:57:00 - [23]
 

I'm glad we've made such a positive first impression upon you. It's a shame I haven't been around to witness the start of the war, but from what I've heard, it's best to keep the unnecessary insults to yourself. Herb isn't unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination, so if he's decided to initiate a war with you, well, welcome to a little word most people call Karma. I'm sure he'll be willing to negotiate an end to the war if you start a conversation with him, or me if he's not available, so long as it remains civil.

♥ Tsia

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.09.02 07:55:00 - [24]
 

show me on this Ex-military dolly where the bad man touched you

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.09.02 09:42:00 - [25]
 

Hi everyone and thanks in advance for the help or for the crys of stfu Afghani.(whichever category you fall into)

We are a brand new country, myself and 3 friends have just under 92 years in the world.
We have been in an ultra-right-wing Islamist organization for 15 years now and recently decided to try out terrorism.

Here's my issue.

We decided to expand and recruit a bunch of new mujahideen that are around our same skill level. this way we can all learn together.(tribesmen and the rest have less than 15 years life)

2 weeks ago we hade a country declare war vs us. There name is America

After researching this country, we noticed they have 3 wars currently going on.
Every single war is with brand new countries. It appears they lack skills to fight vs people there own level so they only go after brand new people.

I'm talking people who have been living less than a decade or are even on there puberty still.

Not only does this corp continually go after brand new people, they then ransom you and say if you do not pay there fee of all of your countries oil, they will keep at it until your country is democratized.

Now we are all older people, and 90% of us are Ex freedom fighters (average age of fighter is 40 years old).
So were not a bunch of little care bear crying kids, but this mechanic doesnt seem right.

I do not understand why NATO would allow such actions?

I am all for PVP and fun. And do understand this world is built on very minimal rules to promote fighting and out of the box thinking, which is cool.

But why allow a war tha losses sales and drops population? NATO as an organization, I would think this would be bad for there bottom line.

We have had 38,000 people permanetly quit life. Thats loss revenue for NATO.

These were not carebear people, these were Ex freedom fighter people. You know, the ones who dont "play" war, but really defend our countrys.

Well they all said the same thing. What type of BS is this?
I've been playing the game for a total of 3 days, and can not do one thing. I can not undock, I can not go anywhere.

There blowing up brand new people in the rookie areas in hospitals, schools and houses with there AC-130 gunships.

I mean come on! Really?

A coalition of 6 countries can completly shut down any chance of playing this game for an entire country? To the point where they just give up and decide not to destroy the western dogs. Where as they were all Gun Ho to kill them before this war started.

This just seems odd to allow people who have been playing since 1776 to attack people who have been in the game for 1 hour.
And then they hold everyone ransom or force them to quit the world.

We were going to hire mercs, but to be honest this war has cost me over 1.2 Trillion dollars already, and with all of us being brand new players, we have no more money.

It's not like there even just attacking fighting ships.
They have murdered every single person.
WTF! Killing someone who just was born a few hours ago.

From talking to others around the Middle East, this is nothing new. This is all these guys do.

So I ask, what can be done, and is this right?

I'm all for a good battle and war. But 230+year old players with millions of defense budget and Apache gunships vs 1 hour people with 50,000 RPGs in an cave. Come on, lets get serious.


My question is, what can be done?
Is our only option to train up an alt so they can start a second country and we move over to that, or are we better off just making our own private rebellion and going back to the Soviet Union?

Kind of sad this world promotes pushing potential new people away. I know after that group of 5 decided not to slaughter the capitalist pigdogs, it made a few of the others think the same and there waiting to decided when there Al-Quaeda membership runs out

Oh and we did try to counter attack one of them the other day. It's not like we just rolled over. But to prove my point about 230+year old countries vs a few decades old countries it was 7 vs 2 and we couldnt even kill one.... we never got his kevlar down to 50%...

Lharanai
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:42:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Lharanai on 02/09/2011 12:27:23
No offense if you are american (as we all, you could not choose), but I have to give Jovan a bump, just because he answered in a more interesting way than the usual "eve is not for douchebags" as you get in general

Disastro
Wrecking Shots
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:43:00 - [27]
 

As former ex-military you surely realize that the weak rarely are the ones who initiate wars. It is always the stronger invading the weaker. Thats as true in real life as it is in Eve. Sometimes its just a matter of perception. I think I am stronger therefore I will agress. Sometimes it isnt. Whatever. Eve Online mirrors real life.

However, that does not mean that you are without options for handling the war declaration. Keep in mind that this one war will probably not be your last. Eve is essentially a PVP game. The war dec system in high sec is basically PVP Lite. Low sec is pvp medium and 0.0 is pvp heavy.

Options:

1. Avoidance - You can keep moving 40 jumps away from where the enemy base. Yes, you stated that you tried this and they found you. Folks dont want to chase war targets 40 jumps away indefinitely. Keep moving. They will tire of it quickly.

2. Low sec. Find a nice system with pirates in it and move your pods there. Rancer is good this time of year. So is Aunenen. Move there for a week and sit in station. They will come and die to the local pirates a couple of times and quickly get tired of chasing you there.

3. Boredom - This is your best weapon to a high sec war dec. Log your characters in and leave them sitting in station for hours while you watch tv or play some other game. The war targets will get bored quickly. High sec corps (not in an alliance) can only file 3 war decs. They wont want to waste one of those slots on one where they are getting no action.

4. Fight back. This is probably your least desirable option. Giving them action prolongs their interest in you. Unless you are kicking thier butts they will keep the war dec going.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.09.02 11:57:00 - [28]
 

Jovan, you instantly earned 40 internets.

BuGGaTon
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:34:00 - [29]
 

To Olio Grey (the OP),

If you want to play with friends with better assurance you won't be attacked by nutters consider joining an NPC or a large alliance. If you want to play with friends and new players that's fine. Create a channel and invite people into THAT. Being in a unique corp doesn't make it any different. If you don't like the taxes you pay in a bigger corp then tough. You pay corp tax as a way of not having to have the ship kicked out of you.

Woof.

VegasMirage
The Scope
Posted - 2011.09.02 15:40:00 - [30]
 

@Jovan Geldon i lol'd n enjoyed, hilarious...

but you lied - Al-Qaeda had many more allies (Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, the Emirates, Yemen and many more) and of course if you went back to the late 80's Taliban allies included the united States and most of the United Nations.

Bottom line, Afghanistan didn't pay its Griefer Union Fees to the US like the rest of the world does.

Moral of story, pay to play - give isk to your attackers using the forums and a 3rd party like (me) with assurances the attacks will stop. Pay 2 Play is the CareBear Way



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