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Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:15:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Cave Lord
I've said this time and TIME again.

CCP IS IGNORING YOU. They will ONLY pay attention to what you do. Don't like it? Too bad. Shutup and play the game, quit your whining. If you really didn't like it, you'd unsub. Because unsubscribing is the ONLY thing CCP will listen to.

Do I make myself clear? The only way to make CCP listen to you (the player) is to hurt them in the pocket. What would you do if your customers all left? yea, you'd be chasing them- just like CCP chased us for the past few years - and now they feel they can control us.

Stick it to them- unsubscribe. Until then, don't even bother trying to convince CCP to make things the way they should be.

-Cave


Indeed, this is why I unsubbed and continue to try and convince people of the truth: that CCP wants money, they don't give a **** about the game or the game play experience.

The people and reasons everyone came to love Eve for have left.

Corporatist greed mongers have gotten their hands wrapped around the throat of any innovation and artistic vision. Eve is a pay check for them to try their luck at striking it rich in other game markets.

The only development you'll see in Eve for the next couple years minimum is game additions that will gain CCP additional income ON TOP of the subscriptions everyone pays.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:52:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Faffywaffy
Edited by: Faffywaffy on 02/09/2011 03:59:29
I am not sure what all the confusion is about.

Anyone with half a brain can see that CQ and the WiS that will follow are CCPs effort of getting more money out of people who are interested in paying for such things as virtual monocles or clothing. In order for this to be appealing to them, their purchases must be seen by other players (what good is a monocle if nobody can see it?). If WiS is made optional, it is very likely that a large percentage (probably a majority) of players will not enable it, reducing the number of eyes on the vanity items, and thus reducing their value.

Even assuming I am wrong in all the above, the people in CCP who came up and pushed the WiS idea can't risk a large percentage of people purposefully disabling it. Allowing that will eventually lead to someone in CCP calculating that percentage and making it clear that the WiS proponents wasted a huge amount of resources without a corresponding increase in the playerbase. That is likely to cause them to be fired.

Therefore WiS cannot be optional forever. What CCP will do is provide some kind of "ship spinning" functionality (probably a slightly improved version of what already exists in CQ) and call their promise fulfilled.


+1 good point

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:58:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Faffywaffy
Edited by: Faffywaffy on 02/09/2011 03:59:29
I am not sure what all the confusion is about.

Anyone with half a brain can see that CQ and the WiS that will follow are CCPs effort of getting more money out of people who are interested in paying for such things as virtual monocles or clothing. In order for this to be appealing to them, their purchases must be seen by other players (what good is a monocle if nobody can see it?). If WiS is made optional, it is very likely that a large percentage (probably a majority) of players will not enable it, reducing the number of eyes on the vanity items, and thus reducing their value.

Even assuming I am wrong in all the above, the people in CCP who came up and pushed the WiS idea can't risk a large percentage of people purposefully disabling it. Allowing that will eventually lead to someone in CCP calculating that percentage and making it clear that the WiS proponents wasted a huge amount of resources without a corresponding increase in the playerbase. That is likely to cause them to be fired.

Therefore WiS cannot be optional forever. What CCP will do is provide some kind of "ship spinning" functionality (probably a slightly improved version of what already exists in CQ) and call their promise fulfilled.


+1 good point


It just shows that CCP aren't confident in their product. Its also a risk by forcing it due the loss of subs from people who can't multibox due to CQ/WiS higher requirements. Also the fact that some don't want it due to the increase in load time, which can be a pain during certain situations.

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:03:00 - [214]
 

CCP should have made WiS before releasing $60 monacles.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:09:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 02/09/2011 05:09:57
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
CCP should have made WiS before releasing $60 monacles.


This I do agree with. While I don't believe they should have ever even added the NeX store, but if they had to they should have at least waited till WiS was fully released. It would have saved them a lot of bad press.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:22:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
CCP should have made WiS before releasing $60 monacles.


Priority in actions reveal priority of motivations.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:29:00 - [217]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 02/09/2011 05:37:15
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai


It just shows that CCP aren't confident in their product. Its also a risk by forcing it due the loss of subs from people who can't multibox due to CQ/WiS higher requirements. Also the fact that some don't want it due to the increase in load time, which can be a pain during certain situations.


and increased strain/load leading to increased heat on the gpu.
Which is funny how thats never happened before with this game (or any other game) on my system and the overalll opinion seems to be "buy a new cooling system scrub" to which I answer: "sure. Wire me the money"

Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
CCP should have made WiS before releasing $60 monacles.


Priority in actions reveal priority of motivations.


To further the comparison to STO, it was obvious Cryptic and Atari were screwed for money when it came out or they wouldnt have ridden then C-Store so hard WITH a subscription payment plan too (and broke their word about vanity items the day it launched). That would seem to be the case here. MMOs dont put out cash shops like this without the motivation of "oh **** whered the hookers an caviar go??"
Dont compare this to WoW an say "they have..." cause THEY arent selling shirts an ****, an the only MMO I can really compare it to is STO with their uniform sales.

ah... sorry if Im hard to understand, Im filtering it through a layer of Vicadin


Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
Posted - 2011.09.02 08:45:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Roime
Ok I understand The Door is not exactly an improvement on the esthetics front, the ship was many times better, but can you list what functionality has been lost?



- dragging and dropping a ship in to the "station hanger main screen" to change ship.
- double clicking anywhere in the hanger to open your cargo hold
- right clicking anywhere to get your ships options, like open drone window, opening ship maintenance bay on capital ships.
- the only way to make screenshots of megageddon or orcadomi etc


To name a few.


Cpt Greagor
Caldari
Liquid Relief
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:13:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Prince Spiderman
WTB your problems. Really! Reminder: CCP never made a promise and you are playing a frakking game - A GAME! -where ship spinning is 0.00000000001% important for the gameplay.


Which means it is still important.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 10:49:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Cpt Greagor
Originally by: Prince Spiderman
WTB your problems. Really! Reminder: CCP never made a promise and you are playing a frakking game - A GAME! -where ship spinning is 0.00000000001% important for the gameplay.


Which means it is still important.


love ppl trying to make THIS comparison.
Because the Nex shop and walking outside my pod is REQUIRED by "gameplay?"
How long has this game been out again an its done fine without it?

Optional Patch
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:08:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


When and how please. FFS.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:29:00 - [222]
 

Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 02/09/2011 13:29:04
Just implement the "View Ship" feature(which is already ingame) with your current ship in place of the door. Then replace the space skybox with a Incarna themed one. Then code in some features for drag and drop and right click. Bam you have a semi-happy player base.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:47:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Avon
As the cynic I am, it is my firm belief that we have had this single room forced upon us for no other reason than to try to get us to spend money on dress-up. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem whatsoever with vanity microtransactions, but what's the point if no-one is going to see my groovy gear?

CCP need to generate revenue, that's what companies do. However, being so blatant about a revenue drive is a little distateful, especially when (in the eyes of many) you have to compromise your product to do it.
At least Coca-Cola learnt by their mistake when they did the same thing back in the 80's and survived to tell the tale.

CCP need to listen to their playerbase, rather than just wait to see what they do, because it is easier to retain a customer than to gain a new one .. and who wants to join a dying MMOG?

Their problem is that they actually believe their own hype.


If CCP wanted to get some proper revenue from the micro transactions they should have removed a zero from the NeX prices.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 13:54:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 02/09/2011 13:57:06
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


lol look, CCP doesnt even know it isnt ACTUALLY about spinning the ship

Originally by: Mashie Saldana

If CCP wanted to get some proper revenue from the micro transactions they should have removed a zero from the NeX prices.


Hilmar has commanded that they NOT do this. and if you think theyve backed off their "fearless" ideals, look in the Nex store. Theyre "staying the course"


Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.09.02 14:29:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Mendolus
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 01/09/2011 20:46:56

These are just words here, I have no way to check their veracity (even if any of it was relevant to this discussion). I can, however, see your posting history. And it is quite revealing, if a little too much.


So you are saying, you don't know, yet you DO know?

A real conundrum we find ourselves in, Laughing

No, I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that the rest of your posts speak for themselves (as I've noted).

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 14:30:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Mendolus
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 01/09/2011 20:46:56

These are just words here, I have no way to check their veracity (even if any of it was relevant to this discussion). I can, however, see your posting history. And it is quite revealing, if a little too much.


So you are saying, you don't know, yet you DO know?

A real conundrum we find ourselves in, Laughing

No, I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that the rest of your posts speak for themselves (as I've noted).


yea that guys funny. If they put in pay to win, he'll leave but till then we should all shut up an roll over

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.09.02 14:57:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Foofad
Originally by: Razin
How can you feel immersion from popping out of your ship every time you dock if it goes against every piece of EVE lore? In addition, it's just ******ed given the game's mechanics for the overwhelming majority of docked activities.


Because I'm a person, not a space ship. I can't identify with a space ship, space ships don't have feelings. Unless it was some sort of intelligent, thinking-feeling space ship, which would be kind of cool. As for the game lore, as much as I enjoy lore, I also enjoy progress. Technology tends to evolve. Perhaps in the past however many years, some R&D corporation made an improvement in the pod design that makes getting in and out of one perfectly safe. But honestly, I don't care. I get to be a person now and that's cool with me.

I kind of agree with you here, or at least with your reasoning. Lore only goes so far as a useful game design tool, especially since it was inconsistent to begin with and CCP keeps breaking it at every turn. If you wanted to, you can even explain away the size of the room and its squalid quality, or the insecurity due to being out of the pod.

Originally by: Foofad
As for it being ******ed in terms of docked activities... I don't even understand how that applies. What do you do when docked? Check the market? Repair your ship? Move cargo in and out? Clone yourself? Which of these activities can't be done unless your brain is hooked up to a machine? Silly.

This has more to do with immersion than with lore. We have always been able to do everything we need in dock without leaving the ship. All the interfaces are available, and there is absolutely no reason to disembark. The ‘loading’ screen, or the scene of your toon constantly scratching himself (as aptly noted by Information Agent) get really old really fast precisely because they are so useless within the framework of docked activities. And that is what breaks the immersion, that quality of continuity of EVE’s spaceship gameplay. The automatic and mandatory transition of dock->avatar has no purpose, and therefore breaks the continuity, or seamlessness, that CCP Zulu is so fond of.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.02 15:05:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Razin
that CCP Zulu WAS so fond of.



Doesnt seem to be the case anymore especially given that theyre removing the option to opt out of it

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.02 15:09:00 - [229]
 

Quote:
I kind of agree with you here, or at least with your reasoning. Lore only goes so far as a useful game design tool, especially since it was inconsistent to begin with and CCP keeps breaking it at every turn.


Not to steal your thunder there, but Star Wars Universe much? At this point they are just making up anything to make money. The screwed up the lore with the second movie and never stopped.

Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:49:00 - [230]
 

CCP, didn't your Mother teach you that lying is wrong?

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.03 12:23:00 - [231]
 

Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 03/09/2011 12:24:05
Originally by: Durty Nell
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
When you look at the ship from the hangar balcony you might notice that it is already spinning. The wireframe models on your desk also show you ship spinning.

Whines like from the OP show how bitter and spoiled a good part of the EVE community has become.




Mate what the f**k are you going on about? Spoiled?


Let me break it down for you slowly.


/Bill Hicks mode on

EVE online is a product K? K! In order to use said product consumers/clients have to subscribe to a paid service K? K! Now let’s just say for talking sake that certain consumers are not impressed by this products current service or standards K? K!

/Hicks mode off


You seem to be advocating that these consumers are spoiled in some way and instead should be content to sit at the foot of the CCP table, like dogs, waiting for scraps to be thrown to them in return for hard earned cash? As good ole Bill once said those in advertising who try to sell crap are the spawn of Satan and should kill themselves, quit trying to put a dollar tag on everything, oh and that is inclusive of the s.h.i.t.e you spout!



------


Yes, definatly spoiled and whining. Rolling Eyes

CCP does not sell me crap, I just don't see a reason to scream and yell about something like ship spinning, besides the spinning is still there in slightly altered form, I also don't think it was ever about ship spinning, this is just a strawman argument of people who resist any changes to the game. All the old arguments, the past was always better and so on.

No, it was not better. CCP just had to take cost and technical limitation into account when creating the game, so they did what the could with the ressources available. Right now the game has a chance to take another step into becoming the ultimate space sim. But to do this a lot of behind the scenes technical groundwork has to completed first. From a tech perspective the CQ and the work assoiciated to integrate it into the current framework of EVE is impressive. Yes, there is not much gameplay (yet), but it gives us players the time to play around with it, give feedback about camera-perspective, lighting, performance etc. That is invaluable for the development Incarna.

That is the future vision of and one of the reason I love and enjoy this game: Linkage

I still love EVE, even after almost 6 years! Very Happy

Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.09.03 12:24:00 - [232]
 

Yeah, because Eve is just like the trailers CCP puts out.

Richard Hammond II
Posted - 2011.09.03 12:32:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Ethan Bejorn
Yeah, because Eve is just like the trailers CCP puts out.


lol nice one

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.09.03 14:35:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Pro tip.

Theres no arguing with Tippia. It only ends badly trust me.


Hello there fun boy, perhaps we could get you, your brown nose, and tippia a sensibly-priced hotel room?

Jackson Brown
Posted - 2011.09.04 23:40:00 - [235]
 

Was not the first time, certainly won;t be the last, but probably the worst, and the one they will regret the most.

Paragon Renegade
Posted - 2011.09.05 00:07:00 - [236]
 

While I can understand the frustration with the lack of functionality in the CQ, and the fact that some people just don't want it, but the "amount of care" people invest in this ultimately irrelevant (to the gameplay) feature is actually shocking.

That being said, I would prefer if CCP devoted resources to Dust & another Eve content expansion (Or finishing Incarna in full).

iErgo Proxy
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.09.05 00:48:00 - [237]
 

Look at the graphics of players peek since 2009. eve is not growing anymore, it's a dead game. CCP is trying to get the maximum amount of money of it before it dies.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.09.05 00:50:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: octahexx Charante
why would any sane company spend loads of workhours in making an enviroment that will be the source of money income..as in buying clothes to your avatar...and then make it optional so nobody will actually buy anything?

of course they will force it...they must also in someway force you to actually get out of the room also of it will be pointless unless you can compare your avatar to others fancy bling...maybe move some function outside the room so you need to get out.

and according to greed is good this is immersion not the removal of it...buying stuff will make have more fun.
CCP can try and force as much as they would like down to their customers. That doesn't mean that their customers like the either the change OR the lack of attention to the constructive feedback (and serious questions) provided to CCP.

While CCP has a vision of where they want to take their product, that does not mean that customers must buy into that vision.

For my part, I have no interest in loading up a resource-consuming environment when I dock my ship. Caldari clothing online is about as dull as can be and I'd rather focus my time interacting with my corp mates via chat or voice comms. Period. This is a MMO, after all. Solitary confinement in the CQ does absolutely ****ing nothing to enhance the game play for me.

And I am not going to spend RL currency to enhance my avatar. Period.

I *will* consider spending RL currency on cosmetic enhancements to ships. I *will* consider buying more GTCs to fund the purchase of space-oriented gear for continued PvP. I *will* look at other games as alternatives to my EVE subscriptions if CCP continues to under serve their client-base.

tl;dr - **** CQ / Barbie. I am willing to give CCP RL currency for space-specific stuff.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.05 01:18:00 - [239]
 

Im just annoyed theyre taking out my ability to opt out of the WiS
Given that they said it would be optional


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