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Venko Trenulo
Spelunkers
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:54:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.

It's my impression that "we want ship spinning" is shorthand for "we want a very thin station environment that won't freeze our 5-yr-old computer that works on all other applications as well as the pre-Incarna client."

I could care less about ship spinning per se. I can sit in space and spin my ship view... and I sometimes do. My grandson spins *his* ship as he's slow-boat autopiloting to a gate. That's not what this discussion is about... I think.

I do care very much that I can't load the station environment in under a couple of minutes on the formerly high-end but now a little dated XPS laptop. It works great on LotRO when my grandson seizes the desktop, but I'd rather fly spaceships.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:54:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Mendolus
Originally by: Smoking Blunts
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.



Quote:
The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu.


screw ship spinning, screw the hanger view and the new cq. when will the functionality be returned, when will the double click for cargo and the drag and drop from ship hanger to swap ships be back?
even if its on to the door, i dont care. infact id prefer that to looking at the qc


Use a hotkey (like F9) to open your active ship's cargo, you'll thank me later.

As for viewing what active ship you are in at any given moment, I agree this needs some more content, they should probably introduce a static screenshot that appears on the wall by the door if you have CQ turned off, that shows the ship information window and changes if you change ships, because otherwise, if you have CQ turned on, it is silly to claim you do not know what ship you are in if it is not only floating enormously across the bow of your hangar deck or spinning slowly from a holoreel on your coffee table or behind your character on the interface panel when you first load CQ.

ok, i only have one hand. its for the mouse. they ruined my game play by making me use a hand i do not have

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:55:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd

Can you please clearly state what CCP will implement to meet the above needs?


You will get one "I heart my CQ" designer summer collection T-shirt free of charge.

Pak Narhoo
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:58:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


Make it more clear, please or, well even more poop will hit the fan if it's not what people thought you'd agreed upon after the CSM emergency meeting this summer.

I feel some of us are talking to a wall.
With a door in it. ugh

olsted
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:58:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: olsted
No. They don't.

I'd prefer to hear a yes or no from an actual developer, but I appreciate your perspective.


Theyve given it multiple times, just not right here in this forum. Go watch the Video of CCP soundwaves presentation at EveVegas and pay close attention to the Q&A at the end.

http://www.livestream.com/everadio

Eight Sinn
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:59:00 - [96]
 

At least we have the option to disable the new environment, thank god for that. So I stare at a blank wall, so what. Spinning ships are nice but ultimately just another form of eye candy.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:01:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.
It looks to me that what you said is that we will not be able to stay inside of our ships when we dock. And that is a large part of this issue.

Being cryptic about your plans in this regard doesn't help either.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:07:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Black Dranzer on 01/09/2011 15:12:06
The most irritating part of all this is that this is one of those times where we need communication and clarification REALLY BADLY, RIGHT NOW, but somebody's holding back, because gosh, us players can be so unreasonable, and we're all children and very grumpy so we should be left to just stew in our juices for a while, once we've calmed down and worn ourselves out they'll release a nice vague comforting reassuring message that has the right tone and aligns with the views of CCP and everything will be okay, the Company Vision won't be compromised, and everybody gets to go home with a paycheck this week!

Ethan Bejorn
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:08:00 - [99]
 

CCP is full of pig dog liars and scum sucking greedy fish mongers.

Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:12:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


AKA, we dont care about you gameplay experience, we want to impose CQ on you....
We dont care about functionality, we care about profit.

CCP, you make me think things might have been changing....

I am thinking I was wrong.

This saddens me, it is such a GOOD GOOD game.

WHY

WHY

Why do you not do what the player base wants?

It bewilders me.

STAN!

Chargon
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:21:00 - [101]
 

Ya can still spin ship in hanger..... first one to figure out how gets 1 iskies

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:24:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Chargon
Ya can still spin ship in hanger..... first one to figure out how gets 1 iskies


Fitting window Razz

Pestilent Industries
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:27:00 - [103]
 

CCP lied, Eve died.

Ratio Uknown
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:27:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Strider Hiryu
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


AKA, we dont care about you gameplay experience, we want to impose CQ on you....
We dont care about functionality, we care about profit.

CCP, you make me think things might have been changing....

I am thinking I was wrong.

This saddens me, it is such a GOOD GOOD game.

WHY

WHY

Why do you not do what the player base wants?

It bewilders me.

STAN!


If you undocked, you'd find the game still works.

But you won't. So I'll just move along now.

Wolf Kruol
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:32:00 - [105]
 

Doesn't surprise me. I've been watching them lie for sometime. Good thing my account is close. Only a few weeks left and I'm gone.

CCP can go to hell take there sim-wannaby game with them.

Glory to greed. Razz

They're not getting a cent from me.

And no you can't have my stuff. I've given it away already.. Rolling Eyes

Just a few thing left to do before I go.. hmmm Maybe suicide gank in jita 4-4 with a few Arma's.. Twisted Evil

Strider Hiryu
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:33:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Ratio Uknown
Originally by: Strider Hiryu
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


AKA, we dont care about you gameplay experience, we want to impose CQ on you....
We dont care about functionality, we care about profit.

CCP, you make me think things might have been changing....

I am thinking I was wrong.

This saddens me, it is such a GOOD GOOD game.

WHY

WHY

Why do you not do what the player base wants?

It bewilders me.

STAN!


If you undocked, you'd find the game still works.

But you won't. So I'll just move along now.


I play every day, and if you dont check what ship your in before you undock....

but at least you know your shoes look good ey!

Deej Montana
Caldari
Outbound Flight
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:37:00 - [107]
 

Don't like it, leave. It's not like Incarna wasn't talked about for years. Damn some of you people need to get outside in the real world more. Rolling Eyes

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:43:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Smoking Blunts

ok, i only have one hand. its for the mouse. they ruined my game play by making me use a hand i do not have


This would be valid if you couldn't move your character by holding both mouse buttons.

Which you can...

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:47:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Deej Montana
Don't like it, leave. It's not like Incarna wasn't talked about for years. Damn some of you people need to get outside in the real world more. Rolling Eyes
So why don't you take your own advice? Breath some fresh air and then come back and try to make a rational argument against making disembarking optional.

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:59:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Deej Montana
Don't like it, leave. It's not like Incarna wasn't talked about for years. Damn some of you people need to get outside in the real world more. Rolling Eyes


Yep, you are correct, we talked about it for years. We kept telling CCP we did not want it, that it was a waste of time, resources, and money, but they chose to ignore us. Now they will pay the price of their ignorance.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:11:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Yep, you are correct, we talked about it for years. We kept telling CCP we did not want it, that it was a waste of time, resources, and money, but they chose to ignore us. Now they will pay the price of their ignorance.

Eeeaaahh to be fair, a lot of people were quite interested in Incarna, but I don't think anybody expected it to turn out as horrendous as it did.

Although I believed for a long time that it looked like cool tech looking for a reason to exist.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:11:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Deej Montana
Don't like it, leave. It's not like Incarna wasn't talked about for years. Damn some of you people need to get outside in the real world more. Rolling Eyes


Yep, you are correct, we talked about it for years. We kept telling CCP we did not want it, that it was a waste of time, resources, and money, but they chose to ignore us. Now they will pay the price of their ignorance.


Who is this we you speak of?

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:13:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Tea Leaves
Edited by: Tea Leaves on 01/09/2011 08:55:53
per the PAX

Unknown Submitter> A large number of EVE players do not like to leave their ship every time they dock. Some have computer hardware issues running several clients, some find it extremely immersion breaking and completely against EVE lore, and some would just rather abstain from Incarna alltogether. The return of the old ship hanger or some version of it with a disembark button would make all those people happy. When does CCP plan to do it?

Response> No, we don't have any plans for that. Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE.


So ship spinning is NOT coming back per the CSM "emergency" a$$ kissing festival. They have no intention of doing what they said they would do.

yeah. FU too CCP and your spaceship barbie bull$hit. F*cking liars.


Maybe if you spent less time hiding in the station cowering in fear and posting trash on the forums and more time U N D O C K I N G you would know you can ship spin in space.

Seriously, if you cry like a baby over something so totally pointless how much do you cry when your mommy calls you out of the basement and makes you take a bath? Laughing

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:15:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Deej Montana
Don't like it, leave. It's not like Incarna wasn't talked about for years. Damn some of you people need to get outside in the real world more. Rolling Eyes


Yep, you are correct, we talked about it for years. We kept telling CCP we did not want it, that it was a waste of time, resources, and money, but they chose to ignore us. Now they will pay the price of their ignorance.


Who is this we you speak of?


Yea, I seem to remember more people than not on these forums years ago making fun of CCP claiming that CCP was just teasing us with the idea of WiS (aka Ambulation) ever being released, i.e. they wanted it already, and were tired of waiting.

In fact I am certain there was the occasional threadnought now and then every time CCP announced a new delay to WiS after almost every quarter or two, with people lining up to decry the fact that they had to yet again wait for WiS.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:16:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Spurty on 01/09/2011 16:16:37
Not pointing fingers or poking fun at you CCP but did you stop to think when being out of our ship made sense?

It makes sense when :

- I just got podded
- I disembarked so I could stretch my legs
- I just created a character
- I am putting in implants and hardwirings (access to skull needed I assume)

Outside of that, no, leave us in our ships.

There.

Sorted.

At least I've fained logic / reasonable choices of when the characters are in/ out of their ships.

Still love you <3 just sometimes I wish I had a batphone

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:20:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Prince Spiderman
There will be no exodus. Just a major playerbase cleanup to remove kids, nerds and whiners not really playing EVE on a "serious" level because if they would play what the game really offers they don't care about ship spinning or an optional NeX store.
Quite incorrect. It's people who play at a "serious level" that need ship spinning the most, because the CQ gets in the way of actual gameplay.

You do understand that “ship spinning” refers to functionality and light-weight mechanics, not to the ability to turn your ship around, right?


i have experienced zero loss of functionality and zero inconvenience from the CQ. maybe you're just a whiny *****.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:21:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 01/09/2011 16:21:31
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Deej Montana
Don't like it, leave. It's not like Incarna wasn't talked about for years. Damn some of you people need to get outside in the real world more. Rolling Eyes


Yep, you are correct, we talked about it for years. We kept telling CCP we did not want it, that it was a waste of time, resources, and money, but they chose to ignore us. Now they will pay the price of their ignorance.


Guess what? We told them we wanted it and we got what we wanted. You didn't get what you wanted and now you are bitter.


Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:28:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
...but I don't think anybody expected it to turn out as horrendous as it did.

Typical CCP implementation follows:

CCP: The next patch will feature MOUNTS!
(several months later the patch is released)
Players: Mounts? That's not a mount, it's a Minmatar with two empty halves of coconuts and he's banging them together!
CCP: We delivered.
Players: Coconuts in space? Coconuts are tropical!
CCP: Excellence. Our next patch will feature...

Guttripper
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:30:00 - [119]
 

After reading these forums for five plus years, I realize that seeing certain names like Akita, Malcanis, Tippia, and some others will offer statements that are quite rational without being patronizing. Then there will be these topics like Captain's Quarters which have numerous glaring issues and suddenly people I have never seen before telling people "if you don't like it - leave!" to how CCP has been the greatest thing since sliced bread and we're all too spoiled to realize it. Whereas the people I mentioned above (plus others not noted) I do not always agree with, at least I take their words with weight behind it due to their posting history of years. Newbie alt player with a handful of "nothing is wrong - everything is fine" messages trying to tell a ~bitter vet~ like me how the world turns - yea right...

Anyway, on topic: one aspect I thought of while reading the reply to the question posted: "Incarna is essentially an addition that is central to the future of EVE." Now is this central aspect suppose to be the actual interactions of pilots doing both routine and unique tasks among themselves? Or as the leaked e-mail, the marketing speak, the newsletter, and the past few months of additions seem to lean that micro (or macro) transactions are the central aspect to Incarna and the quarters are just a means to an end?

Something to debate...

Roime
Gallente
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:37:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Roime on 01/09/2011 16:37:56
FFS just turn off the CQ and open your ships panel

Besides seeing what ship is currently active and having r-click access (or just doubleclick to open any cargo bay) to all your ships, you can actually have several other windows open without them blocking access to the ship in the background.

Much more efficient than what I used to do in the old hangar view, but ymmv.


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