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Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:15:00 - [61]
 

I see a lot of the same faces here saying the same things.

It should be obvious to even the most besotted of you that CCP is going to do what they want to do.

The CSM is a waste of space and is just used to deflect the forum rage.

No point in wailing here, CCP aren't interested.

The new forums will be amusing - a bunch of alts watching tumbleweed blow by Twisted Evil

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:23:00 - [62]
 

Business as usual then.



octahexx Charante
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:25:00 - [63]
 

Would anyone actually pay for getting the incarna expansion? considering we havent seen a spike in new players after incarna being released.

yes i dont think ccp read the forums or care about it but the server is down so we are just chatting/trolling while waiting.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:27:00 - [64]
 

unsubbed already?
or still whining?

Forum Worrier
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:29:00 - [65]
 

So basically the complaint is that CCP is forcing you to use the station environment in which you can just as easily accomplish everything as you could in the hangar environment? Check.

Complaining about losing the ability to right click your ship in hangar when there was already faster and more efficient ways to perform the same functions? Check.

Complaining about losing the ability to spin your ship when it now spins for you automatically or you can spin it in fitting or ship preview? Check.

Complaining about the half a second longer it takes to load CQ as opposed to hangar? Check.

Complaining about nothing much at all? Check.

Complaining about change? Check. Nothing new here.

Jonasan Mikio
Black Hole Bandits
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:30:00 - [66]
 

Im happy about it, now you indy dudes can't run a bazzilion accounts cause most of you spend all your money on your accounts and have a subpar computer!

Adapt or die, stop whining its all good man, walk around, enjoy the view, hell jump off a bridge I dont care just stop *****ing!

Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:34:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: octahexx Charante
Would anyone actually pay for getting the incarna expansion?



TBH I would pay to get the old hangar back.
The only thing that changed with CQ is that I don't see what ship I'm in and I can't rightklick it. Maybe you whiteknights sit in a Hulk day in day out and don't have to worry. Good for you.

Durty Nell
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:35:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
When you look at the ship from the hangar balcony you might notice that it is already spinning. The wireframe models on your desk also show you ship spinning.

Whines like from the OP show how bitter and spoiled a good part of the EVE community has become.




Mate what the f**k are you going on about? Spoiled?


Let me break it down for you slowly.


/Bill Hicks mode on

EVE online is a product K? K! In order to use said product consumers/clients have to subscribe to a paid service K? K! Now let’s just say for talking sake that certain consumers are not impressed by this products current service or standards K? K!

/Hicks mode off


You seem to be advocating that these consumers are spoiled in some way and instead should be content to sit at the foot of the CCP table, like dogs, waiting for scraps to be thrown to them in return for hard earned cash? As good ole Bill once said those in advertising who try to sell crap are the spawn of Satan and should kill themselves, quit trying to put a dollar tag on everything, oh and that is inclusive of the s.h.i.t.e you spout!



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Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:36:00 - [69]
 

I would imagine that eventually we'll have our ship spinning lightweight functionality interface back to some degree, and perhaps it'll be even better.....eventually.

The problem I see here is that CCP doesn't have the horsepower to put out Incarna funcationality in anything resembling a reasonable timeframe because they've got developers spread over multiple projects. We are gonna be stuck in the middle of them implementing Incarna for years if you consider the timeframes involved and how long they've been "working on it".

Quebber
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:40:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Dee Luxx
I'd like to apologize beforehand because this is a bit of a rant and I am not on your hate wagon.

Coming from the other games out there, this whole ship spinning sounds a bit ridiculous. Not meaning to insult anyone but from the perspective of someone who's experienced most of what the other mmos have to offer... ship spinning? Really?

EVE has been around for eight years and has been developed non-stop the whole time... how many expansions have you had to pay for? Heck you do not even have to pay a subscription if you farm plex every once in awhile. How many of you are max level? Run out of content yet? I think no on both.

I guess you can just rage quit and go play one of those cookie cutter theme parks and have a character at max level within a few months. Of course you'll be raiding over and over again because that will be the only content left, just so you can get those boots you've been dying for. Oh and don't forget to pay the mandatory subscription for that hamster wheel. Also don't forget to shell out that extra money every year or so for their expansions.

Coming from all those theme parks out there I see most of you take so much for granted. Maybe you should close your subscription and try those other games and then maybe, just maybe you'll realize how silly this ship spinning debacle is.

CCP are not your parents. They are a company. Sure they make mistakes but they also have a lot more riding on the success of this game than you do. This game has thrived for eight years... eight years with no 'credible' end in sight. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume they may just know more than me and know what they are doing.

Considering the features this game offers compared to what the rest of the market offers, perhaps a bit more objectivity is needed here. Leave the ol' hate wagon parked on the side of the road and move on.


I agree with the above poster completely,

Coming from alot of other mmo's and how those companies treat you, CCP is not perfect but better than most and as you said most of those games never get updates and improvements like eve does.

Sadly alot of veterans in eve are jaded, do not realize all they have been given in this game not the least of it being a true sandbox...

Yes I believe we should have a choice between being in pod and WIS but it is not a deal breaker, yes I enjoyed the functionality of docking and clicking instantly being able to access my ship/cargo/fuel bay without pressing the ships icon but once again it is not a deal breaker, the aurum store is a take it or leave it option not a deal breaker..

I have played eve for 4 years or more and even the more painful changes that ccp have brought into the game have in the long run made my life in eve more interesting.

Not my fault if some on here can not adapt to change or prefer to nestle in a pit of negativity.


octahexx Charante
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:49:00 - [71]
 

how can you be given anything while your paying for it? its impossible, the gratitude thing is completely in error and misplaced.
eve is a service you pay for.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:59:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Quebber
Coming from alot of other mmo's and how those companies treat you, CCP is not perfect but better than most and as you said most of those games never get updates and improvements like eve does.

Sadly alot of veterans in eve are jaded, do not realize all they have been given in this game not the least of it being a true sandbox...

Yes I believe we should have a choice between being in pod and WIS but it is not a deal breaker, yes I enjoyed the functionality of docking and clicking instantly being able to access my ship/cargo/fuel bay without pressing the ships icon but once again it is not a deal breaker, the aurum store is a take it or leave it option not a deal breaker..




It is a deal breaker when a clear promise has been broken. I know that 99% of the game is still there, and that Incarna will eventually be forgotten just like the other stepchild features like FW, etc., but I'd just like to have a simple choice not to have to leave my ship when I dock.

Why do you and the other fanboys have to keep whiteknighting CCP over this issue? You don't like choice? You think this will somehow break the game? You're afraid this will make CCP stop developing Incarna? What??

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:10:00 - [73]
 

Thats agrivating.

Dissembarking should be optional. and i should have more than a friken door to look at.

Hicksimus
Gallente
Mom's Friendly Spaceship Company
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:15:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Kendon riddick
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I never wished i was a wormholer till this crap came out.





<3 my wormhole, it used to be annoying how I had to use more clicks to use my cargo but now that people in stations have to do the same thing it's not even a bother and if they don't choose to watch the door my fitting window does its little spiral loading thing instantly and theirs doesn't.

Looks like I still get a timer for switching ships, but whatever I can ship spin all I want with just as much functionality as a docked person.

CCP Soundwave


C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:19:00 - [75]
 

Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:22:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


Will remaining in the ship always be an option? will disembarking ever be push button simple and not require an undock redock?

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:27:00 - [77]
 

I'm so glad w-space dwellers don't have to deal with all this incarna *******s...

Takamori Maruyama
Amarr
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:29:00 - [78]
 

Dunno all the fuss about incarna ,lorewise maybe they needed to change the capsule technology as just a escape pod in case that you ship goes boom.
Maybe they should evolve the story a little bit , justifying why the capsulers decided to jump of from the pod to engage socially with other people...
A lot of space to develop a decent story to those sort of pilots, making new and old player more attached , instead of simply being in a oval aquarium flying around... doing stuff.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:31:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you wouldn't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


Is this kind of like "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is"?

Did you just wag your finger at me?


olsted
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:32:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


Soundwave, At Evevegas this year I asked you what % of eve players is CCP willing to loose inorder to implement the Digital Barbies version of eve. You refused to answer. Do you have an answer yet? YOUR PLAYER BASE DOES NOT WANT FACEBOOK/BARBIES IN SPACE.

I hope, for your sake that there are hordes of people with extra cash who do want that out there somewhere to replace the core playerbase you seem hellbent on ingoring, alienating and yes - loosing.

-O.

Creed Blood
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:32:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: E man Industries
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


Will remaining in the ship always be an option? will disembarking ever be push button simple and not require an undock redock?


No doubt that this is a case of the dreaded "Chinese whispers" !!! Queue Music "Dun Dun Dun"

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:33:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Black Dranzer on 01/09/2011 14:38:07
Edited by: Black Dranzer on 01/09/2011 14:36:11
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.

Okay.

Okay, let me ask a question. I'll try and word it as clearly as possible to avoid confusion. This is a very, very important question. Please answer it as best you can.

Does CCP have any intentions or plans to implement an interface with similar or identical functionality to the old hanger view?

The functionality I specifically speak of is an interface that is low in resource consumption which lets us see which ship we are currently flying, with a button in the UI which takes us to the captains quarters directly, and which is the first view we see upon entering the station.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:35:00 - [83]
 

I think thats about all your gonna get from Soundwave. Hes now a important Lead Game Developer and has much more important things to do then answer questions. Oh wait...

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:37:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Othran
I see a lot of the same faces here saying the same things.




10 print "So you think there is spoon?"
20 print "There is no spoon."
30 print "There is no spoon.."
40 print "There is no spoon..."
50 print "There is no spoon...."
60 print "There is no spoon....."
70 print "Is there a spoon ?????? (Yes/No)"
80 GET A$: IF A$ = "" THEN GOTO 80
90 IF A$ = "N" THEN GOTO 100
95 GOTO 20
100 print "Excellent - I knew that you would agree."

Brothar Rey
Deep Excavation
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:39:00 - [85]
 

I ship spin in the fitting window. It serves to satisfy my need to waste time stupidly.

olsted
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:41:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Edited by: Black Dranzer on 01/09/2011 14:36:11
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.

Okay.
Okay, let me ask a question. I'll try and word it as clearly as possible to avoid conclusion. This is a very, very important question. Please answer it as best you can.

Does CCP have any intentions or plans to implement an interface with similar or identical functionality to the old hanger view?

The functionality I specifically speak of is an interface that is low in resource consumption which lets us see which ship we are currently flying, with a button in the UI which takes us to the captains quarters directly, and which is the first view we see upon entering the station.


No. They don't. Social Networking is directional. Personal Avatars they can sell you cosmetic enhancements for is directional. WIS is directional. Eve is headed for Secondlife in Space.

Has anyone noticed yet that CCP Soundwave, the biggest proponent for all of this WIS/MT tomfoolery is the Head of Flying in Space at CCP??? No One is attending to the actuall spaceship game that is what EVE used to be. EVERYONE at CCP is working as hard and fast as they can to turn it into Facebook Linked, Microtransaction Driven, Avatar Dressing Social Networking.

We'll be lucky if we get to shoot anyone here in 6 months.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:42:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.



Quote:
The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu.


screw ship spinning, screw the hanger view and the new cq. when will the functionality be returned, when will the double click for cargo and the drag and drop from ship hanger to swap ships be back?
even if its on to the door, i dont care. infact id prefer that to looking at the qc

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:50:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: olsted
No. They don't.

I'd prefer to hear a yes or no from an actual developer, but I appreciate your perspective.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:50:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.


We appreciate you clearing up what you did not say. Often CCP clearly states what it did not say which could have been avoided with clearly stating what you will do in the first place.

So how about you clearly define what it is you're going to do in regards to the previous function of ship spinning. Just to be clear: The community wants ship spinning not solely for the ability to spin ships. The more important function is a functional station interface less time consuming and hardware consuming (no pun intended) than is CQ. Afterall, loading CQ is time consuming, resource intensive and unnecessary for the purposes of quickly offloading goods or ore or for the purpose of docking games or for any intent on the part of the player to dock in order to facilitate aspects of the game that have nothing to do with WiS.

Can you please clearly state what CCP will implement to meet the above needs?

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:51:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Smoking Blunts
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Just to be clear, I never said you woudln't get ship spinning back, I said there wouldn't be an old hangar view.



Quote:
The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with „ship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu.


screw ship spinning, screw the hanger view and the new cq. when will the functionality be returned, when will the double click for cargo and the drag and drop from ship hanger to swap ships be back?
even if its on to the door, i dont care. infact id prefer that to looking at the qc


Use a hotkey (like F9) to open your active ship's cargo, you'll thank me later.

As for viewing what active ship you are in at any given moment, I agree this needs some more content, they should probably introduce a static screenshot that appears on the wall by the door if you have CQ turned off, that shows the ship information window and changes if you change ships, because otherwise, if you have CQ turned on, it is silly to claim you do not know what ship you are in if it is not only floating enormously across the bow of your hangar deck or spinning slowly from a holoreel on your coffee table or behind your character on the interface panel when you first load CQ.


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