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Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.01 05:09:00 - [1]
 

It just makes you look like an over extended, failing developer when every question is answered with a version either "we wont being doing it in the foreseeable future" or no "thats too big of a project."

Seriously you guys should be embarrassed to charge money for an MMO that has no development all being done.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.09.01 05:16:00 - [2]
 

+1

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.01 05:20:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
It just makes you look like an over extended, failing developer when every question is answered with a version either "we wont being doing it in the foreseeable future" or no "thats too big of a project."

Seriously you guys should be embarrassed to charge money for an MMO that has no development all being done.


+1

There is development tho
Just not on this game

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.01 05:21:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
It just makes you look like an over extended, failing developer when every question is answered with a version either "we wont being doing it in the foreseeable future" or no "thats too big of a project."

Seriously you guys should be embarrassed to charge money for an MMO that has no development all being done.


agree

except with the second part. I'm quite sure their CEO is rather proud they are successfully charging money for a game they stopped putting money into

all they need to do is keep up the ruse for a couple years and they'll have made several games they can milk for money without further development

Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.09.01 05:47:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Sir Substance on 01/09/2011 05:49:03
Originally by: Ghoest

Seriously you guys should be embarrassed to charge money for an MMO that has no development all being done.


Its not fundamentally embarrasing to charge money for an MMO you are not developing. What's embarrasing is charging for an MMO you are not developing that is so clearly and totally incomplete.

If eve were as tight as, say, world of warcraft pre-catacysm was, which is to say some lingering issues but all the major content playable and enjaoyable, if WoW is your thing, then that'd be ok.

Unfortunately, right now its resembling a mishmash of tabula rasa and SWG:NGE just before they collapsed, and thats both pathetic and scary.

Vin Hellsing
Posted - 2011.09.01 07:29:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 07:33:45
Originally by: Ghoest
It just makes you look like an over extended, failing developer when every question is answered with a version either "we wont being doing it in the foreseeable future" or no "thats too big of a project."

Seriously you guys should be embarrassed to charge money for an MMO that has no development all being done.


You guys are being stupid. You realize that a lot of MMOs don't typically have this much development going on after launch, especially this long after the first launch, except for the occasional expansion?

Seriously, grow up.

Sadayiel
Caldari
Inner Conflict
Posted - 2011.09.01 07:35:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 07:33:45
Originally by: Ghoest
It just makes you look like an over extended, failing developer when every question is answered with a version either "we wont being doing it in the foreseeable future" or no "thats too big of a project."

Seriously you guys should be embarrassed to charge money for an MMO that has no development all being done.


You guys are being stupid. You realize that a lot of MMOs don't typically have this much development going on after launch, especially this long after the first launch, except for the occasional expansion?

Seriously, grow up.


This is EVE-O fora!!!

ppl just keep playing monthly this undeveloped/ignored/cashgrinder/ add any adjetive you wish.. in order to keep trolling/whinning at forums.

Vin Hellsing
Posted - 2011.09.01 07:40:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Sadayiel
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 07:33:45
Originally by: Ghoest
It just makes you look like an over extended, failing developer when every question is answered with a version either "we wont being doing it in the foreseeable future" or no "thats too big of a project."

Seriously you guys should be embarrassed to charge money for an MMO that has no development all being done.


You guys are being stupid. You realize that a lot of MMOs don't typically have this much development going on after launch, especially this long after the first launch, except for the occasional expansion?

Seriously, grow up.


This is EVE-O fora!!!

ppl just keep playing monthly this undeveloped/ignored/cashgrinder/ add any adjetive you wish.. in order to keep trolling/whinning at forums.


Immature. As far as I'm concerned, EVE Online has met its core game design parameters, and they are going for more. Would you have preferred that they didn't do Apocrypha? Would you have preferred they skipped Trinity? Would you have preferred they didn't do Incursion?

We could be stuck playing Pre-Trinity EVE-O, and it would have gotten boring and dull by now - and more gamers would have quit. Is that what you want?

Sadayiel
Caldari
Inner Conflict
Posted - 2011.09.01 07:47:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Sadayiel on 01/09/2011 07:47:24
Originally by: Vin hellsing
Immature. As far as I'm concerned, EVE Online has met its core game design parameters, and they are going for more. Would you have preferred that they didn't do Apocrypha? Would you have preferred they skipped Trinity? Would you have preferred they didn't do Incursion? We could be stuck playing Pre-Trinity EVE-O, and it would have gotten boring and dull by now - and more gamers would have quit. Is that what you want?


Easy boy i was just agreeing with you, just stating most of the *forum* playerbase are gonna cry and troll without sense.

been here since trinity or castor and i luv the game overall, so expect to see me around the forums for quite a time mocking the trolls and trying to bring common sense from time to time (yep i'm a masochist).

Vin Hellsing
Posted - 2011.09.01 07:48:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sadayiel
Edited by: Sadayiel on 01/09/2011 07:47:24
Originally by: Vin hellsing
Immature. As far as I'm concerned, EVE Online has met its core game design parameters, and they are going for more. Would you have preferred that they didn't do Apocrypha? Would you have preferred they skipped Trinity? Would you have preferred they didn't do Incursion? We could be stuck playing Pre-Trinity EVE-O, and it would have gotten boring and dull by now - and more gamers would have quit. Is that what you want?


Easy boy i was just agreeing with you, just stating most of the *forum* playerbase are gonna cry and troll without sense.

been here since trinity or castor and i luv the game overall, so expect to see me around the forums for quite a time mocking the trolls and trying to bring common sense from time to time (yep i'm a masochist).


While you're at it, could you improve your writing skills? It's easier to make sense of your attempts to troll when they are coherent.

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.09.01 07:48:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Sadayiel
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 07:33:45
Originally by: Ghoest
It just makes you look like an over extended, failing developer when every question is answered with a version either "we wont being doing it in the foreseeable future" or no "thats too big of a project."

Seriously you guys should be embarrassed to charge money for an MMO that has no development all being done.


You guys are being stupid. You realize that a lot of MMOs don't typically have this much development going on after launch, especially this long after the first launch, except for the occasional expansion?

Seriously, grow up.


This is EVE-O fora!!!

ppl just keep playing monthly this undeveloped/ignored/cashgrinder/ add any adjetive you wish.. in order to keep trolling/whinning at forums.


Immature. As far as I'm concerned, EVE Online has met its core game design parameters, and they are going for more. Would you have preferred that they didn't do Apocrypha? Would you have preferred they skipped Trinity? Would you have preferred they didn't do Incursion?

We could be stuck playing Pre-Trinity EVE-O, and it would have gotten boring and dull by now - and more gamers would have quit. Is that what you want?


No we just want adequate resources spent on the game that helped give CCP the opportunity to develop more games. When you couple the fact that CCP have stated that a large number of staff have been switched to Dust, and that Incarna is taking a large amount of time in itself for development, it doesn't take a genius to realise that core issues are being pushed aside and ignored in preference of making more money through rushed Captains quarters expansion that are essentially a dressing room for the nex items.


Vin Hellsing
Posted - 2011.09.01 07:58:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 08:01:35
Originally by: AnzacPaul

No we just want adequate resources spent on the game that helped give CCP the opportunity to develop more games. When you couple the fact that CCP have stated that a large number of staff have been switched to Dust, and that Incarna is taking a large amount of time in itself for development, it doesn't take a genius to realise that core issues are being pushed aside and ignored in preference of making more money through rushed Captains quarters expansion that are essentially a dressing room for the nex items.




Let's put it this way. When they finish Dust 514 and get most of the issues revolving around that game fixed up, they'll be able to refocus on EVE itself. Dust 514 is a FPS unprecedented in scale and design goals, so it's only sensible that they allocate an adequate amount of resources to ensure its success.

Yes, that means shafting EVE in some ways. I'm fine with that as long as Dust 514 is successful and enriches the future of EVE. What most people are worried about is whether or not this will actually turn out to be the case. If Dust 514 bombs, CCP takes a serious hit. If Dust 514 is a marginal success, it's not as bad. If Dust 514 is a major success, they will be able to produce results for both Dust and EVE.

So personally I am more worried about whether or not they will be able to reallocate resources back to EVE's development once Dust 514 is completed. What happens with that is dependent on Dust 514's level of success as well as the state of Incarna by that point.

TL;DR
I'm not very worried.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.09.01 08:04:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 07:59:05
Originally by: AnzacPaul

No we just want adequate resources spent on the game that helped give CCP the opportunity to develop more games. When you couple the fact that CCP have stated that a large number of staff have been switched to Dust, and that Incarna is taking a large amount of time in itself for development, it doesn't take a genius to realise that core issues are being pushed aside and ignored in preference of making more money through rushed Captains quarters expansion that are essentially a dressing room for the nex items.




Let's put it this way. When they finish Dust 514 and get most of the issues revolving around that game fixed up, they'll be able to refocus on EVE itself. Dust 514 is a FPS unprecedented in scale and design goals, so it's only sensible that they allocate an adequate amount of resources to ensure its success.

Yes, that means shafting EVE in some ways. I'm fine with that as long as Dust 514 is successful and enriches the future of EVE. What most people are worried about is whether or not this will actually turn out to be the case. If Dust 514 bombs, CCP takes a serious hit. If Dust 514 is a marginal success, it's not as bad. If Dust 514 is a major success, they will be able to produce results for both Dust and EVE.

So personally I am more worried about whether or not they will be able to reallocate resources back to EVE's development once Dust 514 is completed. What happens with that is dependent on Dust 514's level of success as well as the state of Incarna by that point.


You really are naive aren't you.

They aren't going to "refocus" back to Eve. Wake up and wipe the Stockholm from your eyes.

-IF Dust and Darkness are both very successful CCP will bank the profit and move on to their next project. There might be a couple guys in CCP's basement that "refocus" back to Eve. Eve has plateaued and they know it. They'll continue to milk what cash they can from it and that is it.

-If Dust and/or Darkness fail miserably.... well let's just say the people that were going to be "refocused" on Eve will be out of a job. Plus side? I imagine LOTS of new items would hit the Aurum store Laughing

Vin Hellsing
Posted - 2011.09.01 08:15:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 08:15:30
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 07:59:05
Originally by: AnzacPaul

No we just want adequate resources spent on the game that helped give CCP the opportunity to develop more games. When you couple the fact that CCP have stated that a large number of staff have been switched to Dust, and that Incarna is taking a large amount of time in itself for development, it doesn't take a genius to realise that core issues are being pushed aside and ignored in preference of making more money through rushed Captains quarters expansion that are essentially a dressing room for the nex items.




Let's put it this way. When they finish Dust 514 and get most of the issues revolving around that game fixed up, they'll be able to refocus on EVE itself. Dust 514 is a FPS unprecedented in scale and design goals, so it's only sensible that they allocate an adequate amount of resources to ensure its success.

Yes, that means shafting EVE in some ways. I'm fine with that as long as Dust 514 is successful and enriches the future of EVE. What most people are worried about is whether or not this will actually turn out to be the case. If Dust 514 bombs, CCP takes a serious hit. If Dust 514 is a marginal success, it's not as bad. If Dust 514 is a major success, they will be able to produce results for both Dust and EVE.

So personally I am more worried about whether or not they will be able to reallocate resources back to EVE's development once Dust 514 is completed. What happens with that is dependent on Dust 514's level of success as well as the state of Incarna by that point.


You really are naive aren't you.

They aren't going to "refocus" back to Eve. Wake up and wipe the Stockholm from your eyes.

-IF Dust and Darkness are both very successful CCP will bank the profit and move on to their next project. There might be a couple guys in CCP's basement that "refocus" back to Eve. Eve has plateaued and they know it. They'll continue to milk what cash they can from it and that is it.

-If Dust and/or Darkness fail miserably.... well let's just say the people that were going to be "refocused" on Eve will be out of a job. Plus side? I imagine LOTS of new items would hit the Aurum store Laughing


I disagree on the idea that EVE will not get further support after Dust and WoD. A sandbox has practically near-infinite expansion potential. That's more than enough to really point out that it has plenty of legs.

Why do you think they're doing Incarna now? This is another one of those near-infinite possibilities being fulfilled.

Lu'Marat
Posted - 2011.09.01 09:02:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Lu''Marat on 01/09/2011 09:02:38
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Sadayiel
Edited by: Sadayiel on 01/09/2011 07:47:24
Originally by: Vin hellsing
Immature. As far as I'm concerned, EVE Online has met its core game design parameters, and they are going for more. Would you have preferred that they didn't do Apocrypha? Would you have preferred they skipped Trinity? Would you have preferred they didn't do Incursion? We could be stuck playing Pre-Trinity EVE-O, and it would have gotten boring and dull by now - and more gamers would have quit. Is that what you want?


Easy boy i was just agreeing with you, just stating most of the *forum* playerbase are gonna cry and troll without sense.

been here since trinity or castor and i luv the game overall, so expect to see me around the forums for quite a time mocking the trolls and trying to bring common sense from time to time (yep i'm a masochist).


While you're at it, could you improve your writing skills? It's easier to make sense of your attempts to troll when they are coherent.


Dude, get off your high horse. So you failed to spot the sarcasm in her post and thought she was attacking you, big deal. Happens to everyone. But trying to cover it up with some elitist knee-jerk about "writing skills" and "troll" makes you look like a fool. That what you want, think that'll help you ward off the flames? No? Thought not. As you were.

@OP: Nah.

Dalloway Jones
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.09.01 09:03:00 - [16]
 

Game is like what? 8 years old. You are all lucky CCP doesn't just pull the plug and tell you all to go F off.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.09.01 09:09:00 - [17]
 

Whats this? Ghoest making an anti-CCP thread?

Meryl SinGarda
Caldari
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.09.01 09:56:00 - [18]
 

What's this? A thread that won't "technically" exist on Monday. Cool

Cry on whiners, you will be assimilated.

octahexx Charante
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:31:00 - [19]
 

every interview and every media talk they let out say the same thing we focused on nex items with desingers.
but somehow ppl try to add their own twist to that with stuff they pulll out of their ass.

whats so hard to get they focus on nex? are you expecting any devs say the opposite of their ceos interview that you can find on youtube?

if so are you often in relationships where your enabling and trying to "change your partner"? lol


Zizeroth
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:35:00 - [20]
 

What's the point in doing any development when the consumers do nothing but whine when the game changes? You can't make everybody happy so by doing nothing you cant make anyone unhappy.

Cunane Jeran
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:48:00 - [21]
 

Give me an example of an 8 year old mmo still recieving the ammount of content we do.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:16:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Zizeroth
What's the point in doing any development when the consumers do nothing but whine when the game changes? You can't make everybody happy so by doing nothing you cant make anyone unhappy.


lol by that logic, no game ever would get worked on

Junky Juke
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:00:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
It just makes you look like an over extended, failing developer when every question is answered with a version either "we wont being doing it in the foreseeable future" or no "thats too big of a project."

Seriously you guys should be embarrassed to charge money for an MMO that has no development all being done.


this

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:12:00 - [24]
 

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/08/some-curves-arent.html

And the data shows....EvE is stagnant....


CCP work on your space mmo!

Lilith Ishanoya
Lai Dai Shipments
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:14:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 08:01:35
Originally by: AnzacPaul

No we just want adequate resources spent on the game that helped give CCP the opportunity to develop more games. When you couple the fact that CCP have stated that a large number of staff have been switched to Dust, and that Incarna is taking a large amount of time in itself for development, it doesn't take a genius to realise that core issues are being pushed aside and ignored in preference of making more money through rushed Captains quarters expansion that are essentially a dressing room for the nex items.




Let's put it this way. When they finish Dust 514 and get most of the issues revolving around that game fixed up, they'll be able to refocus on EVE itself. Dust 514 is a FPS unprecedented in scale and design goals, so it's only sensible that they allocate an adequate amount of resources to ensure its success.

Yes, that means shafting EVE in some ways. I'm fine with that as long as Dust 514 is successful and enriches the future of EVE. What most people are worried about is whether or not this will actually turn out to be the case. If Dust 514 bombs, CCP takes a serious hit. If Dust 514 is a marginal success, it's not as bad. If Dust 514 is a major success, they will be able to produce results for both Dust and EVE.

So personally I am more worried about whether or not they will be able to reallocate resources back to EVE's development once Dust 514 is completed. What happens with that is dependent on Dust 514's level of success as well as the state of Incarna by that point.

TL;DR
I'm not very worried.


I don't play Dust (nor will I), I play EVE. I'm not interested in "when Dust is done" nor should I be. I pay for EVE and I expect that the product I paid for is taken care of properly and is maintained well. EVE in it's current state needs a lot of work, lots of stuff that should have been handled a long time ago but got brushed aside because of their awesome scrum system and/or their CEO having these thoughts of grandeur.

Would EVE have been running remotely well where the main issues would have been taken care of (there'll always be little problems, no issue there) then I would have no problem with CCP investing my money into other products. But as it stands it seems that they're not using my money to work on the product I pay them for while it so desperately needs attention, instead they waste it on something entirely different while forgetting about the very thing I chose to pay them for.

I'm sure you understand this logic.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:18:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Cunane Jeran
Give me an example of an 8 year old mmo still recieving the ammount of content we do.


DDO is the first one that comes to mind. DAoC was adding content 6 years in and however old WOW is its still adding content.


But really age of the game has nothing to do with it. Uptill late last year EVE was growing in subscribers. Most game dont hit their peak population 7 years after release. And the only reason EVE stopped growing was that they stopped adding content to the space ship and industry aspect of the game.

Unlike other games EVE started losing customers after they stopped adding content. Most games Stop adding content because they are losing customers.


Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:37:00 - [27]
 

Quote:

I don't play Dust (nor will I), I play EVE. I'm not interested in "when Dust is done" nor should I be.


I notice you often complain about things you claim not to care about.

I would wager you are one of the few actual females in eve with a female avatar. Kudos.

To answer the OP they have them for the people that want to hear what they have to say. To punish the customers who do want to hear what they have to say on behalf of those that don't would be counterproductive and eventually cost them money.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:43:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
To punish the customers who do want to hear what they have to say on behalf of those that don't would be counterproductive and eventually cost them money.


What about punishing customers for playing the game CCP doesnt want it played?

Lilith Ishanoya
Lai Dai Shipments
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:10:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote:

I don't play Dust (nor will I), I play EVE. I'm not interested in "when Dust is done" nor should I be.


I notice you often complain about things you claim not to care about.


Your logic is flawed, surprisingly.

I don't care about Dust, this is true. But I DO care about EVE and that's what I'm complaining about. If you had actually read what I wrote you'd realise I have no issues with Dust at all. As long as EVE is taken care of they can do whatever they want with Dust for all I care.

But EVE isn't taken care of properly and because it isn't I'll start to look at reasons why it's not, part of that is other projects taking up too much resources and money. Why should I have to silently agree to have the product I PAY FOR be syphoned of it's resources and left in the dark, in favour of something I don't care for?

Wolf Kruol
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:18:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 07:59:05
Originally by: AnzacPaul

No we just want adequate resources spent on the game that helped give CCP the opportunity to develop more games. When you couple the fact that CCP have stated that a large number of staff have been switched to Dust, and that Incarna is taking a large amount of time in itself for development, it doesn't take a genius to realise that core issues are being pushed aside and ignored in preference of making more money through rushed Captains quarters expansion that are essentially a dressing room for the nex items.




Let's put it this way. When they finish Dust 514 and get most of the issues revolving around that game fixed up, they'll be able to refocus on EVE itself. Dust 514 is a FPS unprecedented in scale and design goals, so it's only sensible that they allocate an adequate amount of resources to ensure its success.

Yes, that means shafting EVE in some ways. I'm fine with that as long as Dust 514 is successful and enriches the future of EVE. What most people are worried about is whether or not this will actually turn out to be the case. If Dust 514 bombs, CCP takes a serious hit. If Dust 514 is a marginal success, it's not as bad. If Dust 514 is a major success, they will be able to produce results for both Dust and EVE.

So personally I am more worried about whether or not they will be able to reallocate resources back to EVE's development once Dust 514 is completed. What happens with that is dependent on Dust 514's level of success as well as the state of Incarna by that point.


You really are naive aren't you.

They aren't going to "refocus" back to Eve. Wake up and wipe the Stockholm from your eyes.

-IF Dust and Darkness are both very successful CCP will bank the profit and move on to their next project. There might be a couple guys in CCP's basement that "refocus" back to Eve. Eve has plateaued and they know it. They'll continue to milk what cash they can from it and that is it.

-If Dust and/or Darkness fail miserably.... well let's just say the people that were going to be "refocused" on Eve will be out of a job. Plus side? I imagine LOTS of new items would hit the Aurum store Laughing
Princess hit it on the nose. EVE is there cash cow. They will milk you dry while they open new ways to attract new markets. Its about money.. Not what you want but what they want from you..

Keep paying the cow man.. Wink


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