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tika te
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:47:00 - [91]
 

it's not the game that sucks, but clueless devs that make it that way...

Eight Sinn
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:57:00 - [92]
 

I'll give you the best reason, the most esoteric and quote the classic movie "Weird Science" :

"... you see the thing is man, Chicks just can't hold de smoke."

That about sums it up on so many levels. Please deposit isk to this character, thanks in advance.

Trenden Atwater
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:01:00 - [93]
 

M8, take a breather before you give all your isk away.

You maybe just burnt out a bit right now, you don't want to give it all away then decide you want to come back.

Ive done that in the past and it hurt a lot. Im still trying to rebuild from giving all my stuff away to friends.

Give it 1-2 weeks then think about it again.

Chargon
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:08:00 - [94]
 

The Universe in Eve is big but has gotten smaller due to player population has more then tripled since launch. Worm Holes do not count. It use to be you could go in to a system and not see anyone enter it for hours.. Asteroid belt spawns are not keeping up with player population. Alliances in Null sec have virtually cut off null sec from the rest of the population of Eve. Cruisers can't use cruise missiles like they use to.... but a small frigate can.. Go figure that one out!

In general the game has stayed the same size while the population and there tools have gooten too big. Yes I mean capital ships,jump bridges, jump drives, Probes and so on and so on.

THe Universe in Eve realy does need to expand and by alot for the game to truly move forward.

Hunter Kasenumi
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:09:00 - [95]
 

The reason the game sucks like a ten dollar ***** right now is thus - Its trying to be all things to all people. You cannot please everyone all of the time.
As for the Community - well, most people are out for themselves - in games and in real life. They just want it all. Its easier to reply "Troll!" than to explain a point precisely and make a valid argument.
This has a knock on effect on Corporation and Alliance interaction - people just aren't interested in others. They would rather rob you than help you.Rolling Eyes

Milla Lekarariba
Minmatar
Capsuleer Profit Sharing Enterprise
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:10:00 - [96]
 

It sucks because you are still here...

along with every other ****er that feels the need to whine like little babies....

and yes I AM MAD

Your New Benefactor
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:12:00 - [97]
 

Monocles.

Sekhmet Neteret
Caldari
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:14:00 - [98]
 

game has issue due to being run and played by humans, human nature is the cause of the problems (see all the responses along the lines of "U MAD?")

Chargon
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:14:00 - [99]
 

I never said it sucked.... I just pointed out why old vets like my self have left the game.

Templar Knightsbane
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:19:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Templar Knightsbane on 01/09/2011 15:19:50
1. What do we win?

2. Why are all you mad people writing pages and pages on what makes eve a bad game with the prize being a character for said game, if it was that bad, surely you wouldnt writes pages about how bad it is if your still wanting to play it??

This whole thread is bizarre!!!

Ps - New Eden may need some added extra zoompf injecting into it to maybe get some of those hours of waiting for a fight out of the way,

ROLL ON DUST 514!!!

Now gief, OP i will be carrying on playing and think eve is great, my only quarm with is my SP sucks!!!

And you dont have that problem sooooo

GIZ 250mil SP alts pls!

Lucy SUXXXX
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:25:00 - [101]
 

- Because CCP (even if they say the contrary) dont do anything against botting fields, even if it would be very easy to see who is using this ****. All the EVE economy is based on the bots, and they dont know what to do to stop it. At least, it allows people to buy PLEXs and so dollars in da pocket.

- Because EVE cumulates bugs and bugs, and CCP focuses their updates on bull****. Yeah Incarna is so nice. Now CCP fin anotherway to inject dollars in da pocket, and may be its to stop bots!? Who knows.

Dee Luxx
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:26:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Hunter Kasenumi
The reason the game sucks like a ten dollar ***** right now is thus - Its trying to be all things to all people. You cannot please everyone all of the time.
As for the Community - well, most people are out for themselves - in games and in real life. They just want it all. Its easier to reply "Troll!" than to explain a point precisely and make a valid argument.
This has a knock on effect on Corporation and Alliance interaction - people just aren't interested in others. They would rather rob you than help you.Rolling Eyes


Bravo! Agree completely. It's been a slow and unfortunate process but 'teamwork' and 'community' is out and 'selfish' and 'gimme gimme now' is on the rise. Now it seems to be infecting EVE as well. Not looking forward to the years ahead.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:39:00 - [103]
 

EvE rocks.

Biomass now and do the world a favor.

Your pixels are tainted with fail and will be a curse to whomever winds up with them.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:49:00 - [104]
 

Has the guy you RMT'ed those 200 billion posted yet?

Etheoma
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:52:00 - [105]
 

tbh have you tired changing corps etc if you think that all of the corp / alliances are broken then you obv haven't been in all of them and i would suggest you keep your accounts inactive because there have been a lot of people that i know that have gotten sick of eve deleted or given away there accounts to come back only to retreat it give it a few months or even a year then change corps / alliances to something you havent done before then try again you might even have to do some corp / alliance jumping to find a corp / alliance your comfortable with.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.01 16:11:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Etheoma
tbh have you tired changing corps etc if you think that all of the corp / alliances are broken then you obv haven't been in all of them and i would suggest you keep your accounts inactive because there have been a lot of people that i know that have gotten sick of eve deleted or given away there accounts to come back only to retreat it give it a few months or even a year then change corps / alliances to something you havent done before then try again you might even have to do some corp / alliance jumping to find a corp / alliance your comfortable with.

No one 'gives away' $6000, someone obviously bought that ISK.

Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
Posted - 2011.09.01 18:43:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
I rarely miss a chance to rant on CCP. I don't need the prize money since I have no intention of continuing to play this game long term. Every time I come back from a break and give it another try, I'm quickly reminded of why I left in the first place.

I'd say this game had its golden years under TomB. Even tho I didn't like him either back then and probably berated him in various posts, in retrospect he was much better for EVE than all those who came after him. I'd even be willing to bet that EVE would have been much better game now if he stayed with CCP.

For me, the final straw was The Great Nano Nerf. That's when all hope was lost, that management at CCP simply did not understood their own game. I know that back then nanos were overpowered and of course the game balance needed changes, as it always does, but not like that. What they did was atrocious.

Besides the nano stuff, I really hate the way CCP approached 0.0 industrialization and territorial warfare. Their introduction of jump bridges, cyno mechanics, jump capable freighters - all that has negative impact on PvP dynamics. The design of sov mechanics, supercaps, POS functionality, emphasis on moon goo control - all promote consolidation of large player entities instead of expression of individuality from many smaller ones.

Over the years, the significance of individual in EVE has been diminishing. I was always a lone wolf myself, I used to roam 0.0 in expensive ships and disrupt alliance operations, messing with freighters, with small groups of people who fly to gather for big fleet ops. Alliance people used to have some reason to fear small roaming gangs and needed to have active defense. Now, people like me are completely irrelevant. There is absolutely nothing that a small number of roaming PvPers can do that would make an alliance leader concerned even for a second. All the important stuff is safely protected by network on POS, cynos, bridges, supercaps. An individual without a supercap is nobody, just a number in local, 1 more, 1 less, irrelevant as long as the blob is there.
There is no personal responsibility, only responsibility of the Fleet Commander - do as he says or be irrelevant.

CCP always wanted to emphasize team work, they do everything to encourage larger stronger organizations while undermining the power of individual, but they fail to understand that without strong individualism those groups are empty shells. And a game like that attracts people who are little more than empty shells, waiting to be filled by their dear leader.


Some how your post intreuges (wtb auto english grammar correction on thsi forum) me, It makes me think back on how u killed me once in q-h in delve in your tairai's mega pulse nightmare and tobias scram. Funny ppl back than formed up specialy for u, comments in intal "omg its ephemeron, watch out for him" and "no way im going to engange him without falcon". I expecialy liked the way karma went when i made u pay for my loss on a item i sold to u (gotan), if u still remember that Laughing. I liked it when i saw u pop up in my alliance chat a few days ago. This char is trade alt. Not that im rly into trading anymore. I have to agree with most ppl in here; but to say ccp doesnt know their game is wrong, cause ccp is not 1 person. How can u analize the process where the dev's distantiates themselves form the game, or appear to distantiate towards the customers? Its a structural flaw within the ccp's company structure. It not rly up to me to juge about altough i would love to see some magic happend overthere

Cdkey Disabled
Amarr
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:31:00 - [108]
 

GAME DOESNT SUCK.

YOU SUCK, GO AWAY.

IF YOU JUST DISAPPEAR ITS A PLUS TO THE GAME AND TO THE COMMUNITY!


SRSLY .. GTFO ALREADY! NO ONE CARES KID

Abbadon
Caldari
Pukin' Dogs
D0GMA
Posted - 2011.09.01 20:02:00 - [109]
 

CCP Navigator > Thread locked due to Incarna having no content.

Eight Sinn
Posted - 2011.09.01 20:39:00 - [110]
 

I have to admit to being slightly disappointed, at a minimum the melding of a "Weird Science" quote into an EVE thread should have triggered at least a 2 billion ISK automatic transfer. R.D. Jr. and A.M.H. would be so disappointed.


Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.09.01 21:40:00 - [111]
 

CCP went all the way from being a small company that developed a niche game with devs who loved the game and enthusiastically played it to being "just another business" which was delivering a "product"; a business run by MBAs and accountants, where ppl who actually like the game are less important than BizDev division eggheads who's main task is to invent more sophisticated ways of milking Eve-addicts. But CCP failed to realized that when their customers will stop seeing in them a "special company that develops a special game" and start seeing in CCP just another business, they won't give a ***** if that business will go down in flames or is eaten by a bigger behemoth.

Nizran L'Crit
Caldari
Eternal Guardians
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2011.09.02 01:34:00 - [112]
 

Instead of explaining what's wrong, I will give a small narrative on everything that is right.

Internet, spaceships, talking with other people all at the same time (there's this cool browser thing that CCP invented for that)

I'll leave you with a joke.

Theres a librarian sitting at her desk early in the morning. In walks two chickens.
BWOOK BWOOK BWOOK they say....thinking they want books, she hands them three books and out they go.


Mid-day, the chickens walk back in a bit peeved. They walk up to the counter and say "BWOOK BWOOK BWOOK!" Thinking they want more books, she hands them three more and out they go.

Come early evening, she sees the darn chickens again and they look angry! Storming up to the counter they glare at her and BWOOOK BWOOK BWOOK BWOOK BWOOOOOOK!" Completely confused and unsure of why they're angry, she hands them five more books and then follows them out.

She hops in her car and drives out to the country tailing them. Finally, they stop at a pond and start walking to the waters edge and she hides in the bushes so she's not seen.

The chickens walk out and throw all of the books at a frog sitting on a lily pad who keeps saying "reddit reddit reddit..."

Buh duhn kah!

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:29:00 - [113]
 

Corporatism both internally and externally replaced creativity.

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.09.02 02:52:00 - [114]
 

Game sucks?-CCP listens to the players, but it goes in one ear out the other.

Community sucks?-Everyone has to be a troll/L33T/too kool for school coolaid drinking tit sucker.

Do I win? Razz

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.09.02 03:56:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Mr LaboratoryRat


ps; the person that makes the most accurate post why the game sucks and why the community got broken and its effects on ingame player communication and corporation/alliance interaction wins.




CCP stopped caring about us and it long ago, everything else is a reflection of that.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.09.02 04:00:00 - [116]
 

- Alliances are banding together in huge clumps, its nothing but 30-300+ blobs these days. Everyone has a falcon/scimi alt and its very difficult to solo / small gang pvp anymore. Action is sparse - when you do find a legitimate target its hard to believe he doesnt have a cyno fit.

- New players get sucked into ****ty corps that do nothing (i ran one) and they quit because the corp does nothing and all they saw was the boring side to eve.

-

- There are very few things that force conflict (sov SBUs and Tower/Outpost RF's is about all of it.) And those systems are usually quite boring. Station dock ranges are massive and even the tiniest dock range stations pose no threat to a smart cap pilot with a cyno alt.

- CCP has serious time distortion issues. 2 hour patchday becomes 24hr patchday. WIS 2009 becomes WIS 2013, etc. They need to overstate patch times to minimize crying, and not announce major features like WIS untill its really ready to roll out. Supprise us, WHEN ITS READY! Be a pimp ccp, take control of these hoes!

- The game industry is clearly moving towards a f2p model, and we're restricting CCP into an archaic Pay-to-play model that they will hate us for. Valve is making -millions- of dollars from selling tf2 weapons and stuff. Eve community wouldn't allow that at all. Also, Eve could never be free2play ether, due to the nature of mining etc... eveyone would have 50 mining alts, the economy would go to ****. CCP is stuck in a hard place with this game.

- Community expects CCP to be angels, and CCP expects the entire community to be mature. Both assumptions are causing huge flame threadnaughts over silly **** like monocles, newsletters and ... i think i saw a bear snorting *******?

- eve players complain about Dust/WoD development, i had a reason why Dust/WoD is great, but tbh, EVE players should simply not care. CCP is a company not a non-profit Christian Angel Society. They can sell the company and blow all their money on hookers and coke if they want. And they just might if the community keeps treating them like ****.

- CCP's problem was CSM. It sounds great, but it gives the players the impression they run the show. Listening to players is great, but now they think you need to do what they want, when they want it. Today we remove the 30s timer between ship changes - a major annoyance, but nobody gives a ****, they still moan about monocles. CCP ****s up a patch and the community emo's out about it. Its unprofessional (but minor) slipups on CCP's part, and overreaction on the community's part.

This ****s all leading to a divorce if we don't see a Councillor soon, im afraid.

Johnny Galaxy
Posted - 2011.09.02 05:56:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
- Alliances are banding together in huge clumps, its nothing but 30-300+ blobs these days. Everyone has a falcon/scimi alt and its very difficult to solo / small gang pvp anymore. Action is sparse - when you do find a legitimate target its hard to believe he doesnt have a cyno fit.

- New players get sucked into ****ty corps that do nothing (i ran one) and they quit because the corp does nothing and all they saw was the boring side to eve.

-

- There are very few things that force conflict (sov SBUs and Tower/Outpost RF's is about all of it.) And those systems are usually quite boring. Station dock ranges are massive and even the tiniest dock range stations pose no threat to a smart cap pilot with a cyno alt.

- CCP has serious time distortion issues. 2 hour patchday becomes 24hr patchday. WIS 2009 becomes WIS 2013, etc. They need to overstate patch times to minimize crying, and not announce major features like WIS untill its really ready to roll out. Supprise us, WHEN ITS READY! Be a pimp ccp, take control of these hoes!

- The game industry is clearly moving towards a f2p model, and we're restricting CCP into an archaic Pay-to-play model that they will hate us for. Valve is making -millions- of dollars from selling tf2 weapons and stuff. Eve community wouldn't allow that at all. Also, Eve could never be free2play ether, due to the nature of mining etc... eveyone would have 50 mining alts, the economy would go to ****. CCP is stuck in a hard place with this game.

- Community expects CCP to be angels, and CCP expects the entire community to be mature. Both assumptions are causing huge flame threadnaughts over silly **** like monocles, newsletters and ... i think i saw a bear snorting *******?

- eve players complain about Dust/WoD development, i had a reason why Dust/WoD is great, but tbh, EVE players should simply not care. CCP is a company not a non-profit Christian Angel Society. They can sell the company and blow all their money on hookers and coke if they want. And they just might if the community keeps treating them like ****.

- CCP's problem was CSM. It sounds great, but it gives the players the impression they run the show. Listening to players is great, but now they think you need to do what they want, when they want it. Today we remove the 30s timer between ship changes - a major annoyance, but nobody gives a ****, they still moan about monocles. CCP ****s up a patch and the community emo's out about it. Its unprofessional (but minor) slipups on CCP's part, and overreaction on the community's part.

This ****s all leading to a divorce if we don't see a Councillor soon, im afraid.




We have a winner!

Thornat
Posted - 2011.09.02 07:38:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Thornat on 02/09/2011 07:38:52
Personally I think we are seeing CCP heading into the territory of SWG NGE fiasco. Its really on the verge right now. The NGE incident should be required reading for anyone that is developing or running an MMO. Its the definitive lesson in the power of the gaming community. Hilmar is under some false impression that this can't happen in his game, but in fact it has already started. You will know when its happened when the forums go from the raging disaster they are today to silence. Eventually people will not only quit the game, but quit caring about its future and leaving the forums as well. At which point nothing will ever bring them back as was the case in SWG.

Tribunia
Posted - 2011.09.02 08:32:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Hunter Kasenumi
The reason the game sucks like a ten dollar ***** right now is thus - Its trying to be all things to all people. You cannot please everyone all of the time.
As for the Community - well, most people are out for themselves - in games and in real life. They just want it all. Its easier to reply "Troll!" than to explain a point precisely and make a valid argument.
This has a knock on effect on Corporation and Alliance interaction - people just aren't interested in others. They would rather rob you than help you.Rolling Eyes



That was news like 30 million solar orbits ago mate.

I'l Duce
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.09.02 09:25:00 - [120]
 

Game sucks only for those who are whiners and see only the bad and for those who read the whineage. It goes both ways, game suckage makes whiners and whiners make game seem crap. When certain critical mass is reached the whining can even reach those who never see forums, the ignorant masses who then deicide the game must suck because everyone else are whining, not because they don't like the game but because other ppl seem to not like it. That is sheep effect. Laughing

There are multiple reasons why game can suck when it dowesn't. that was only one of them.


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