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Kaikura Akunji
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.02 22:30:00 - [1]
 

How do newbies that join a corp survive if the corp is at war?I have a friend that plays and wants me to join his corp.I will at some point,but their at war with 7 other corps atm.

I'm really not into this corp.war thing as i'm a agent runner and rat hunter.How does this whole war thing work?Question

Soulis
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
Posted - 2005.03.02 22:35:00 - [2]
 

if yournot into the corp war "thing" then dont join the corp. if the wars have been declared then there is no hiding from them and you are as much of a target as 1 year old player in the same corp. bottom line is. you know about the wars, if u want to be in them then join the corp if not then dont join!

Zanthiuse
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.02 23:34:00 - [3]
 

this is an excellent oppertunity to get into pvp.Take it!

Zeaia
Posted - 2005.03.03 21:05:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Kaikura Akunji
How do newbies that join a corp survive if the corp is at war?I have a friend that plays and wants me to join his corp.I will at some point,but their at war with 7 other corps atm.

I'm really not into this corp.war thing as i'm a agent runner and rat hunter.How does this whole war thing work?Question


If they are at war with 7 other corps and you do not wish to have to watch your back and fight or run every time you run into any one of these 7 other corps, then you are best off not joining that corp.

How war works is basically, corp a and corp b have mutually declared war and accepted the war. Anytime you have member from corp a and member from corp b, they are free to shoot at each other without Concord interferance -- this includes ALL space 1.0 to 0.0.

Night mining in an industrial... you can find yourself in a pod. Hauling in an industrial and taking your eyes off the screen for one minute and you can find yourself in a pod. They can kill your pod too.... at which point you will need a new clone, new ship, and insurance.

Basically "war" is a complete waste of resources IMO, and if I were in a corp that went to war, I'd leave the corp. In fact that was a "condition of joining. I won't PvP either. There are other methods of having fun, and wasting time or resources is just not "fun" to me.

So, if you have no interest in PvP or watching your back every second you are playing, then my advice would be to not "join" a corp who does not share those characteristics.

Good luck.

Soulis
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
Posted - 2005.03.04 00:41:00 - [5]
 

but wasting time JUST to look at how much fake money you have is fun?ShockedShocked

Kaikura Akunji
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.04 04:03:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Zeaia
Originally by: Kaikura Akunji
How do newbies that join a corp survive if the corp is at war?I have a friend that plays and wants me to join his corp.I will at some point,but their at war with 7 other corps atm.

I'm really not into this corp.war thing as i'm a agent runner and rat hunter.How does this whole war thing work?Question


If they are at war with 7 other corps and you do not wish to have to watch your back and fight or run every time you run into any one of these 7 other corps, then you are best off not joining that corp.

How war works is basically, corp a and corp b have mutually declared war and accepted the war. Anytime you have member from corp a and member from corp b, they are free to shoot at each other without Concord interferance -- this includes ALL space 1.0 to 0.0.

Night mining in an industrial... you can find yourself in a pod. Hauling in an industrial and taking your eyes off the screen for one minute and you can find yourself in a pod. They can kill your pod too.... at which point you will need a new clone, new ship, and insurance.

Basically "war" is a complete waste of resources IMO, and if I were in a corp that went to war, I'd leave the corp. In fact that was a "condition of joining. I won't PvP either. There are other methods of having fun, and wasting time or resources is just not "fun" to me.

So, if you have no interest in PvP or watching your back every second you are playing, then my advice would be to not "join" a corp who does not share those characteristics.

Good luck.


I agree totally with you on this.I know some people feel the need to pvp in their games to have fun.I was watching my friend try to get 9 jumps away to another ship he had somewhere so he could do agent running.

All 9 jumps were in 1.0 or 0.8 space.He got blown up after 2 jumps because of the war.He was so ****ed off about it.And i told him no thx to his corpWink

Jakk Graiseach
Trotters Interstellar Traders
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2005.03.04 11:17:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Soulis
but wasting time JUST to look at how much fake money you have is fun?ShockedShocked


Very narrow view of the game there Soulis.

If everyone pvp'd all the time, who would make the BPCs and ships and T2 parts and ammo...

Lot of PvPers fall into that mindset. Without the miners, scientists, haulers, etc., we'd all be fighting in newbie ships *grins*

I have no problem with people who don't want to fight - I look on them as civilians and leave them alone, as long as they're not bothering me. Cool

Kaikura Akunji
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.03.04 11:28:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Originally by: Soulis
but wasting time JUST to look at how much fake money you have is fun?ShockedShocked


Very narrow view of the game there Soulis.

If everyone pvp'd all the time, who would make the BPCs and ships and T2 parts and ammo...

Lot of PvPers fall into that mindset. Without the miners, scientists, haulers, etc., we'd all be fighting in newbie ships *grins*

I have no problem with people who don't want to fight - I look on them as civilians and leave them alone, as long as they're not bothering me. Cool


Three cheers to you Jakk.Pvper's never think about that.They are so narrow minded in their gameplay.Someone has to make all that stuff they us for their wars.

If everyone pvped nothing would get built for them.So they should show some respect.Cool

Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
Posted - 2005.03.04 14:42:00 - [9]
 

Depends on your conscious i think.

I killed this guy last night, when a guy drops nothing but basic gear and a load of skill books, you kinda of know it's not that great a situation.

In the past iv'e sent money to these people as recompence for what iv'e done, but times change.

Last night within 1 minute of droping this guy... convo wondow, **** you... im just a ****ing noob... go **** yourself.

My opinion, then you cut your teeth in a starter corp, i have friends who did that, within think a month, they were down with us in 0.0, joining in the fun learning along the way.

Again, like somebody has said above as i was remonstrating to another guy i was talking to last night, he finds the whole concept of being able to declare war on simpley anyone as something of a bad idea.

My point was this is what eve is all about, it's competition in every sense, wars and player v's in ships are just the icing on top that makes it all work.

Obviously i pointed out that he should consider a npc corp, but he carried on to say that was not the game he wanted to play, all i could realy say was well, then perhaps eve isnt the game for you realy.

Moot points aside, what he failed to mention was his corperation has excerised there rights in playing the big game, and got 3 merc corps on our tails....

The game, it's swings and roundabouts, for everybody concerned... not just little old him.

Zeaia
Posted - 2005.03.04 18:49:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Soulis
but wasting time JUST to look at how much fake money you have is fun?ShockedShocked


Actually I do enjoy making (yes, even fake) money. Laughing It's competitive too.... just a different kind of competition (where nobody is hurt or really looses).

But really, I enjoy being with people and helping; to me that's "fun".


Soulis
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
Posted - 2005.04.02 20:59:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Kaikura Akunji
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Originally by: Soulis
but wasting time JUST to look at how much fake money you have is fun?ShockedShocked


Very narrow view of the game there Soulis.

If everyone pvp'd all the time, who would make the BPCs and ships and T2 parts and ammo...

Lot of PvPers fall into that mindset. Without the miners, scientists, haulers, etc., we'd all be fighting in newbie ships *grins*

I have no problem with people who don't want to fight - I look on them as civilians and leave them alone, as long as they're not bothering me. Cool


Three cheers to you Jakk.Pvper's never think about that.They are so narrow minded in their gameplay.Someone has to make all that stuff they us for their wars.

If everyone pvped nothing would get built for them.So they should show some respect.Cool


who said i did pvp? i do but not 100% i mine the ships i fight in.

i just think that watching isk piling up in your wallet is boring, and tbh having loads of isk sittin in you wallet is a waste, if your that bothered about making money then you should be using the isk to make even more. it should never be left lying around.

Soulis
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
Posted - 2005.04.02 21:01:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Zeaia
Originally by: Kaikura Akunji
How do newbies that join a corp survive if the corp is at war?I have a friend that plays and wants me to join his corp.I will at some point,but their at war with 7 other corps atm.

I'm really not into this corp.war thing as i'm a agent runner and rat hunter.How does this whole war thing work?Question


If they are at war with 7 other corps and you do not wish to have to watch your back and fight or run every time you run into any one of these 7 other corps, then you are best off not joining that corp.

How war works is basically, corp a and corp b have mutually declared war and accepted the war. Anytime you have member from corp a and member from corp b, they are free to shoot at each other without Concord interferance -- this includes ALL space 1.0 to 0.0.

Night mining in an industrial... you can find yourself in a pod. Hauling in an industrial and taking your eyes off the screen for one minute and you can find yourself in a pod. They can kill your pod too.... at which point you will need a new clone, new ship, and insurance.

Basically "war" is a complete waste of resources IMO, and if I were in a corp that went to war, I'd leave the corp. In fact that was a "condition of joining. I won't PvP either. There are other methods of having fun, and wasting time or resources is just not "fun" to me.

So, if you have no interest in PvP or watching your back every second you are playing, then my advice would be to not "join" a corp who does not share those characteristics.


Good luck.



this was what my original comment was contadicting

Sirkill
Posted - 2005.04.02 21:39:00 - [13]
 

Often it depends what corp you are at war with, for example some corps dont kill newbies or give them warning before they kill.

Sleazy Cabbie
Posted - 2005.04.02 21:47:00 - [14]
 

I take a different view of the whole corp war thing.

War is a waste of resources, but it can be fun too, the shortcomings of pvp in Eve is that someone can shove it down your throat.

To me, there are times I want to fight, and times I want to chill, but any band of pr1cks can come along and force you to fight just by being in a corp.

I don't really understand the need to drag people into pvp kicking and screaming. If all of 0.0 were as it is now, and all of .1 to 1.0 were patrolled by concord, with no corp wars, everybody would still be able to do what they wanted.

You want to pvp, go to 0.0. But no, instead of going there, you want to come to empire to kill miners and producers.

Open up the map and look at "ships killed in the past 24 hours" you see the whole inner sphere is blood red, while 0.0 is calm.

The premise of the game is a lie.

0.0 is supposed to be a warzone but it's a heavily patrolled and policed. 1.0 is supposed to be safe, but any band of pirates can just declare your corp and pirate you that way. Low sec is supposed to be more secure than 0.0 but its the most dangerous area of the game.

The way I see it right now, Eve is %100 pvp, there is no "carebear area." The killers and gankers have zero risk. Even if you lose your ship, it's mostly insured, and you can hunt rats making money while looking for victims.

The miners and producers have ALL the risks. Try hauling a load of goods worth a few hundred mil through lowsec, you need a big pair of brass balls to risk a few hundred million isk.

Try shelling out a billion credits of your own money to buy a BPO, it will make you sh*t a brick.

Meanwhile any 2 bit n00b with 250k SP can grab a Kestrel and make a few hundred thousand isk per hour doing hunting and space piracy.

THAT is the reality of Eve, not the lie everyone perpetuates that it takes some kind of balls to pvp, and all carebears are sitting safe and warm making money, but hey believe what you want.

Taniquetil
Caldari
ChicksDigGuns
The Matari Consortium
Posted - 2005.04.03 11:18:00 - [15]
 

It would be a good learning oppurtunity ,other than that join an industrial/production corp

MinorFreak
Amarr
Ordo Ministorum
Posted - 2005.04.06 00:32:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Kaikura Akunji
How do newbies that join a corp survive if the corp is at war?I have a friend that plays and wants me to join his corp.I will at some point,but their at war with 7 other corps atm.

I'm really not into this corp.war thing as i'm a agent runner and rat hunter.How does this whole war thing work?Question


Beyond flying your starter ship, it's difficult to tell who's a n00b or not. actually, it's nigh impossible to detect who's a n00b or not without actually conversing with them.

So if you're in a corporation that someone has declared war on (or visa versa) there's no guarrantee the enemy will consider you anything but a worthy target.

It's strange that CONCORD allows non-consentual corp wars. One would assume that since it controls the actual process itself, you'd think they'd prevent "griefer corp declares war on n00b &/or carebear player corp" exploits. But, if you think about what CONCORD stands for, one would assume they cannot control their NPC empires from fighting each other, right? I'm making an assumption here about why CCP allowed non-consentual war declarations and trying to avoid making personal opinions on this subject.

Jhodas
Minmatar
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
Posted - 2005.04.11 10:55:00 - [17]
 

Some people like PvP.

Some people like mining.

Some people like cookies.

If you want consentiual war go play counterstrike. EVE is not about gettin what you want when you want it. You're going to lose stuff, the same way you're probably going to gain stuff at someone else's expense at some point. Got a problem? Plenty of merc corps out there for hire Twisted Evil

The best way to learn how to survive is the hard way. And yes I am speaking from personal experience. You dont't half learn quick when you lose 200m worth of zydrine...

Good luck and Fly Safe.



Eric Cromwell
Posted - 2005.05.31 03:23:00 - [18]
 

I can accepts more or less all of this arguments - on both sides. BUT:

In EVE as i see it there is no relative safe areas for those of us that enjoy science lvl 5 more than gunnery lvl 5. I have played for about 8 months and still find it hard to survive lvl 2 kill missions. I am not here for the killing (there are tons of other games for that).

I am civilian in EVE. The structure of the game is as said earlier, 1.0 to 0.5 may be more dangerous than 0.0 just because every bored little child around can declare my corp war (if only they were mature enough to give a somewhat decent reason for it - but no they are mostly in it for destroying peaceful gamers love for the game). If all those immature children had a agenda in like story terms, or were mature enough to go play with the pvp lovers - we all could enjoy the game.

instead - i pay ccp MONEY FOT NOT PLAYING THE GAME OR JUST SIT IN DOCK.

All of my friends except one has quit the game due to this war on us non pvps. Well, maybe this game isnt ours afterall. Happily there is tons of other games for to play. Its just too bad i choose EVE for its civilian like options, i thought i for once i could get rid of pvp. I was wrong

I pay my bills to ccp. All i get is sitting in dock 4 weeks at the time when someone declare war on my corp. This game is all about pvp. I feel like a 2nd class players just because i like building and trading.

Have fun all :(

axis featherfall
Posted - 2005.05.31 04:34:00 - [19]
 

"The way I see it right now, Eve is %100 pvp, there is no "carebear area." The killers and gankers have zero risk. Even if you lose your ship, it's mostly insured, and you can hunt rats making money while looking for victims.

The miners and producers have ALL the risks. Try hauling a load of goods worth a few hundred mil through lowsec, you need a big pair of brass balls to risk a few hundred million isk.

Try shelling out a billion credits of your own money to buy a BPO, it will make you sh*t a brick.

"Meanwhile any 2 bit n00b with 250k SP can grab a Kestrel and make a few hundred thousand isk per hour doing hunting and space piracy.

THAT is the reality of Eve, not the lie everyone perpetuates that it takes some kind of balls to pvp, and all carebears are sitting safe and warm making money, but hey believe what you want."
"



i just started playing eve im on day 20 i mined for the first 15 in .6-1.0 space and not once was i atacked and it was boring as hell

"Some people like PvP.

Some people like mining.

Some people like cookies
"

after that i joined a pvp corp that was at war and ive lost 4 ships in the past 4 days and its the most fun ive ever had on this game
if u dont like corp wars its ur own fault for joining the corp u dont like them make ur own corp u can even call the

"Tree Huggin Tofu Fartin Fairies" for all i care then u dont have 2 go 2 war but complaining isnt gunna do ne thing thats the reality of an online game

and minings boring as it is would u rather they made it 2 where theres no threat at all when u mine then u truly will be doing nuthing but sitting there theres no fun in that

it may sound like im against all non pvpers but im not im against complainers just enjoy the game if u get blown up so wat it happens to every 1 after all it is just a game
and i know im new but like i said ive never been atacked in the secure systems and ive talked to people whove played for quite a long time so i know ur exagerating the numbers but of course it does happen it just adds an element of excitement

so cant we all just get along and enjoy the game the way it is

yours truly
Axis

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Eric Cromwell
Posted - 2005.05.31 07:03:00 - [20]
 

Well, maybe i replied in the wrong thread. I have also never been attacked in safe space by pirates (in 8 months). But i have been in fights due to other corps declaring my corp wars (most of them have also admitted they did it out of boredom).

CCP have created a game where you can act as a civilian. 8 months and i still have very limited fighting abilities. If i can train skills for so long and still be a limited fighter, is seems like there would be a place for that type of character in the game.

Results: I am sitting duck to play with by bored players that can only enjoy blowing things up. Cause i am in no position to defend myself. If empire was meant to be somewhat secure space, then a peaceful person should be able to feel somewhat safe there - if not completely.

Maybe i complains to much - but i dont post much and this is the first time post about this topic. I dont say pvp shouldn't be allowed, that wouldn't have made sense at all.... what i dont like are people declaring me war just beacause they are bored. If the only fun they know is pvp, then go play with other pvp'ers.

ATM i am very frustrated. A game should have several options for gameplay. There shouldnt be only one way to play the game. Well snice i dont focus on gunnery the game are starting to become very limited.It is just too narrow eyed saying that train gunnery or have a limited game experience.

For all those of you who enjoy pvp i am happy. You play the game the way you like. I just dont understand why you cant grant med the same luxury. There are plenty of pvp'ers out there you can shoot.

For the record: I play other games also. I am in those very much into pvp. What i never do though is attack at random. I always attack through a storyline. Enemies are defined and they are enemies for a reason. Not like pick a sitting duck attitude i find in this game.

axis featherfall
Posted - 2005.05.31 07:31:00 - [21]
 

i agree with u to an extent wars should not be tossed around like candy but they do but u dont need high gunnery skills to pvp effective online games r not i repeat r nor meant for solo action if ur doin something by urself then go to another game online games were designed for interaction and teamwork theres no reason why some 1 whos just a few weeks cant take on a team of people whove played for a few months if u play with friends and work as a team nething is possible but i will give u this eve is a little bit limited but all games have there problems if enuf of u file suggestions there bound to do something sooner or later


but until then enjoy some company ive mined alone its boring as hell grab a few friends and as for the wars well.......theres nuthing u can do about those just try to stick together and remember the good things about the game its not all pvp its just that everybody who pvps knows that theres gunna be some hapless miner who was to foolish to use the biggest advantage an online game offers..........TEAMWORK HELLO IT IS AFTER ALL AN MMORPG and remember theres no I in team

AXIS

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MutationZ
Posted - 2005.05.31 08:06:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kaikura Akunji
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Originally by: Soulis
but wasting time JUST to look at how much fake money you have is fun?ShockedShocked


Very narrow view of the game there Soulis.

If everyone pvp'd all the time, who would make the BPCs and ships and T2 parts and ammo...

Lot of PvPers fall into that mindset. Without the miners, scientists, haulers, etc., we'd all be fighting in newbie ships *grins*

I have no problem with people who don't want to fight - I look on them as civilians and leave them alone, as long as they're not bothering me. Cool


Three cheers to you Jakk.Pvper's never think about that.They are so narrow minded in their gameplay.Someone has to make all that stuff they us for their wars.

If everyone pvped nothing would get built for them.So they should show some respect.Cool


I PvP and I build my own stuff. I dont have to show you any respectConfused

If you want to PvP then join the corp. You dont have to pull out your biggest and best ship. Just throw a basic frig together and ask for a 1v1 for **** n giggles.

Its not the end of the world, its just a bit of fun.


 

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