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Monikerina
Amarr
Macross Space Defense Squadron
The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:17:00 - [1]
 

Don't. I am in the beta, and I have come to the realization that no matter how bad Eve gets, it is still better than anything else.


I mean this is just...... it's crap.


It is crap.


It is so easy that on my last "quest", (the saying of that word makes me vomit a little), I taped down my attack button and just ran around while playing Eve on the other machine. I wasn't even watching where I was going, just wall riding, and I completed the quest and ALL bonus quests.

It is Star Wars of Warcraft. Everyone has same skills, same armor, same look, same weapons.... and the people are idiots.


Makes me sad, I did so love my Star Wars

Sky Rayden
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:21:00 - [2]
 

Hilmar? Is that you?

Terram alWathani
Minmatar
Ragnarok Rising
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:26:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Terram alWathani on 31/08/2011 00:26:45
INB4 CCP Alt accusation

Edit: Damn

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:29:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Monikerina

It is so easy that on my last "quest", (the saying of that word makes me vomit a little)



You do realize theres no real difference between "Quests" and "Missions" its just the wording. Either way what did you expect from a franchise thats been milked to hell and should have died years ago. Every time i see a new Star Wars game I cringe knowing that idiots will still cling to it.

Seren Padac
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:42:00 - [5]
 

I already believe that the Old republic wont have a player driven economy or a strong pvp focus, which is very unappealing and defiantly a WOW clone

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:50:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Monikerina
Star Wars of Warcraft.



....

..

Star Warscraft??

Have been Beta'ing it myself as well and it is crap. Gimme a SC fleet anyday

Mistle Riannon
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:58:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Monikerina
It is Star Wars of Warcraft.

That.
Some time ago Bioware has promissed something diffrent than old tank/healer/dps schemes. Party of jedi knights, where everyone can heal himself, make decent amount of dps and tank mobs if needed? Sounded cool. But at some point they just abandoned all that and decided to copy WoW's tank/dps/healer class scheme. So much for creativity. Also.. I know it's still beta, etc etc.. but judging from all these youtube's vids, graphics look like sh*t. This is how ToR dies, before it could even start.
Last playable SW game was KotOR 1(and it was awesome), next were just.. bad.

Igualmentedos
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:06:00 - [8]
 

Come onnnnnn Guild wars 2.

Save us!

Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:07:00 - [9]
 

seeing what eve is turning into, i'm going to try Star Wars.

keep going CCP, you are on track ... to get the game killed

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:12:00 - [10]
 

Not on the beta, but following forums of those who are, and. . .yeah. It does indeed look awful.


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:14:00 - [11]
 

You mean, there were actually people who ever expected this Star Wars MMO to be anything other than a WoW-clone ?

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:15:00 - [12]
 

Guild Wars 2 & Battlefield 3 is where its at!

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:22:00 - [13]
 

Well I doubt many people were leaving EVE for that. At least, no one that I knew.

Perpetuum, on the other hand...

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:28:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Discrodia
Well I doubt many people were leaving EVE for that. At least, no one that I knew.

Perpetuum, on the other hand...


Perpetuum has a long ways to go before it can be considered a threat to Eve.

Thamul
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:29:00 - [15]
 

Perpetuum also really not all that impressive. I gave it a shot for awhile when the EVE rage was high, but I meh'd out of it a month or so ago.


Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:29:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: Discrodia
Well I doubt many people were leaving EVE for that. At least, no one that I knew.

Perpetuum, on the other hand...


Perpetuum has a long ways to go before it can be considered a threat to Eve.

Never said it was a threat, merely that I know (and am one of) many EVE players who left EVE to go play it. Take that however you will.

Monikerina
Amarr
Macross Space Defense Squadron
The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:33:00 - [17]
 

I didn't expect Star Wars Old Republic to be epic, but I expected at least good.

* Character creator is junk. I hate to say it, because I despise WiS and Incarna, but the EVE character creator blows it away.

* The style of the game is just a 2004 Theme Park style MMORPG. There is no free roam, you are pretty much playing KOTOR with a subscription. Read: Small rail run areas with a door in/out, a boss in the end, and a lot of npcs along the way.



I knew it was going to have some fluff, I just expected some substance as well.

* No customization of character
* No permanent impact on the world ( houses, cities, guild halls )
* Drops destroy the player crafting economy

Basically, it is a game you play for the 2 months or so it takes to complete the story, then unsubscribe and return to EVE. I don't think I'll bother buying it on launch.

Thamul
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:37:00 - [18]
 

If by "many eve players" you mean about 100, then yes, "many eve players" have left for Perpetuum.


I was almost one, but I noticed that all the Eve players in Perpetuum were just really bittervet whiners who were a few steps from burning out on all games, I realized I didn't want to be in that crowd.

There are about 200 or 300 Eve players really playing on Perpetuum, max.

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:48:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Thamul
If by "many eve players" you mean about 100, then yes, "many eve players" have left for Perpetuum.


I was almost one, but I noticed that all the Eve players in Perpetuum were just really bittervet whiners who were a few steps from burning out on all games, I realized I didn't want to be in that crowd.

There are about 200 or 300 Eve players really playing on Perpetuum, max.


Perpetuum is pretty terrible. I tried it, sick of CCP, but it sucks. Guild Wars 2 though, check out you tube PvP vids and other aspects of the game, it looks really good. It is not space ships, but then again, you won't have to pay CCP to develop Dust and WoD while you play it.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:56:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 31/08/2011 02:01:22
Originally by: Monikerina
Don't. I am in the beta, and I have come to the realization that no matter how bad Eve gets, it is still better than anything else.


I mean this is just...... it's crap.


It is crap.


It is so easy that on my last "quest", (the saying of that word makes me vomit a little), I taped down my attack button and just ran around while playing Eve on the other machine. I wasn't even watching where I was going, just wall riding, and I completed the quest and ALL bonus quests.

It is Star Wars of Warcraft. Everyone has same skills, same armor, same look, same weapons.... and the people are idiots.


Makes me sad, I did so love my Star Wars


Nice, way to break the NDA lol

well at least I let my displeasure be voiced in non NDA breaking ways:
Star wars skin on WoW
lol anything non WoW Wont work

but the CEO of Bioware says it best:
Quote:
Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb."


Thats the guys in charge
lol

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Monikerina


It is Star Wars of Warcraft.

The Warcraft of Star Wars you mean.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:10:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 31/08/2011 02:10:08

Too bad Starcraft was already taken, eh ? Twisted Evil

How about "World of Star Warscraft" ?

Anya Ohaya
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:14:00 - [23]
 

My computer can run more than one game.

Just sayin'

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:16:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Anya Ohaya
My computer can run more than one game.

Just sayin'


What WoW and TOR?
have the fully rounded experience?

lol

Th0rG0d
Terminal Pharmaceuticals Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:26:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung


but the CEO of Bioware says it best:
Quote:
Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb."


Thats the guys in charge
lol


That is one of the saddest things I've ever read. Crying or Very sad Talk about one of the poorest attitudes a game developer could ever have. "If you don't copy someone else's work, you're dumb" Neutral

I'm not a creative person, but there are plenty of people who are. You need to be able to create your own formula for success to succeed. Riding someone else's coattails only gets you so far, and it rarely is ever as far as they got.

I'm not the happiest with CCP, but if Bioware can't do it, and AC is stagnating with Perp, looks like all that's left for me is THQ's Space Marine. FPS, here I come! YARRRR!!

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:35:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Th0rG0d
Originally by: Sullen Skoung


but the CEO of Bioware says it best:
Quote:
Zeschuk said: "It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb."


Thats the guys in charge
lol


That is one of the saddest things I've ever read. Crying or Very sad Talk about one of the poorest attitudes a game developer could ever have. "If you don't copy someone else's work, you're dumb" Neutral

I'm not a creative person, but there are plenty of people who are. You need to be able to create your own formula for success to succeed. Riding someone else's coattails only gets you so far, and it rarely is ever as far as they got.

I'm not the happiest with CCP, but if Bioware can't do it, and AC is stagnating with Perp, looks like all that's left for me is THQ's Space Marine. FPS, here I come! YARRRR!!


Yeah EVE is apparently doomed to failure not because of CCP being stupid or making bad decisions, but cause they didnt follow the WoW model.

Funnier still are the threads on the SWTOR forums where ppl DEFEND that statement.

Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:35:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Alice Katsuko on 31/08/2011 02:38:46
Dunno why the Tank/Healer/DPS role divisions are considered the "right" way to balance a multiplayer game. Makes for bloody boring playing after a while. Then again, anything more complicated would probably require too much thinking for the typical online gamer. Heaven forbid there be multiple good and quite different builds for a particular class.

Damn, now I miss tanking half a guild with my priest in Ragnarok Online. Sad

Anyways, near as can tell, SWTOR is basically a WoW clone with a better storyline and aliens instead of elves and orcs, so not surprised.

Edit: EVE's strength is that it is more or less an open-ended sandbox, that it gives players a huge array of choices in what to do and how to do it. In that regard it has virtually no competitors. World of Tanks might provide better instant PvP, Perpetuum might have better small-group warfare, and STO might provide better PvE content, but EVE offers all of those things and lets you experience all or none of them.


Empy Ralt
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:37:00 - [28]
 


They've spent sooo much money on development they need to be mainstream and attract a wow size subscriber base to make it profitable. I sort of hope it fails.

I assume perpeptuum is like historical Eve. Largely empty, but shows promise and the developers are focused on making it better. Whereas Eve is less empty but has developers distracted.

Thamul
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:39:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Thamul on 31/08/2011 02:39:59
Bottom line is there are two styles of game.

Flash... and Hardcore.


I think that SW looks like it will be fluff and candy.


I prefer my killing bloody and without mercy.

Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:43:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Thamul
On the SWTOR forums, they have said "sandbox mentality MMORPG's were a fad" and "they proved to fail, so they are fading away."


To be fair, sandbox MMOs never really became as popular as WoW and other theme park MMOs have. There is a definite demand for sandbox games, and EVE is a testament to that. On the other hand, the market for theme-park MMOs with gated "communities" which separate PvP, PvE, and other types of gameplay is significantly bigger than the market for sandboxes. Yet there are not many good sandbox MMO games out there, so perhaps the issue is not on the demand side, but with the lack of supply.


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