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Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2011.09.01 03:38:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Benilopax
CCP's plan to ignore FW and it's players seems to have payed off. Recently returned after a short break after the Invalid patch...


Wasn't it named "Incashna" ?

Anyway, the new implemententation of FW will happen as soon as the stations open (soon (tm)). You can buy Sterling shirts in different colors and shout at each other in the corridors.

Fun fact: it will have more game effect than the current FW since you take PLEX out of the game to pay the shirts.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.09.01 04:57:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 02:30:32
Originally by: Har Harrison
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: Cearain


I think they are smart enough to realize fw can be a huge draw to eve and will not just abandon it when all it really needs is some minor fixing up.



You would think so wouldn't you. However these same people believe that MT and playing dress up are the future of Eve. So yeah I wouldn't put to much faith into that.

+1


Actually there are different teams with differing priorities. One of those teams probably has an eye on FW. I'm sure CCP has plans in mind for it next year.
Vin - you DO NOT know... One session of Q&A with Soundwave has not given you insight into this matter. I have been making various fix FW threads since just after fan fest when CCP failed to turn up to the round table discussion. Guess what we have had in response from CCP

1) Promises that they will make it up to us

2) Promises they will respond to the thread once Soundwave got back from Russia

3) Promises that they will answer the FW questions from the Ask a dev thread

4) The response that they will look at low sec/FW AFTER 0.0


Excuse me for being a little pessimistic, but I am taking this as an opportunity to view what CCP DO regarding responding to FW on the forums, not what they SAY in a Q&A...

Mister Swift
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
Posted - 2011.09.01 05:54:00 - [33]
 

Completely dead?

I guess both our and the Gallente fleet Tuesday night were part of my imagination :)

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.09.01 06:27:00 - [34]
 

Who needs FW when we can walk around the table in prison cell and buy shiney panties from NEX store?

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.09.01 06:29:00 - [35]
 

what? warfare? this game is called
space monocles online
for a reason

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.09.01 07:10:00 - [36]
 

As I've said before, FW is the unwanted stepchild - Noah Ward was (along with others IIRC) vehemently opposed to the whole idea.

I suspect that given the Icelandic attitude to making mistakes (ie never admit it) FW is a poisoned chalice for anyone but extremely senior staff who were around when the FW expansion happened - and they're not interested in spaceships at this point in time.

Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2011.09.01 07:48:00 - [37]
 

What's wrong with fw?

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2011.09.01 08:44:00 - [38]
 

A bit melodramatic to say it is dead when there are many people like me still "playing" it.

One funny thing though is a minor change I noticed CCP slipped in one of the recent patches without any patch notes/discussion I found : Removing Fed Navy Stasis Web 5 run BPCs from the LP store.

It is basically a nerf to FW mission runners, which is kind of comedy since FW missions were one of the last major reasons for people to join FW. CCP reducing one of the major LP to ISK conversions for Gallente FW has made LP value tank twice as fast. Even FW missioners are giving up to run highsec lvl 4's. Laughing

FW could REALLY use some 'ownership' from a CCP dev, and more communication. This is one of the most ignored Eve player communities. Perhaps if some comedy cross faction FW 0.0 'alliance' were formed, CCP might take notice and develop a plan for FW beginning after the 8 years of 0.0 changes.


Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.09.01 09:25:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Vin Hellsing
If you refer to the CCP Soundwave Q&A I posted over the weekend, it's been stated that it's on CCP's list to have new Factional Warfare additions. No timetables, though.


Jeezus christ Vinn Hellsing, are you new or something? All your responses on these forums begin and end with you saying "it'll be ok...eventually".

If you look at CCP's "to do" list and then look at what they actually have done there is a serious lack of results. And it is results what we need, action, not just another soonTM.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.01 09:51:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Cpt Fina
What's wrong with fw?


For a start, I refer you to the earlier comment of a decadent Gallente scumbag:

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
the exploiters, the unbalanced missions, the unbalanced occupancy systems, the unbalanced headcount, the lack of reward for occupancy in general or anything else yet


There's a load of stuff on top of that, not least the flawed and unbalanced plexing system.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.01 09:54:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
If you refer to the CCP Soundwave Q&A I posted over the weekend, it's been stated that it's on CCP's list to have new Factional Warfare additions. No timetables, though.


Jeezus christ Vinn Hellsing, are you new or something? All your responses on these forums begin and end with you saying "it'll be ok...eventually".

If you look at CCP's "to do" list and then look at what they actually have done there is a serious lack of results. And it is results what we need, action, not just another soonTM.



Yep, without some sort of timetable or at the very least some sort of order of priority CCP's promises to fix FW "eventually" are meaningless.

After all, the Sun will turn into a red giant eventually.

Tribunia
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:06:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Tribunia on 01/09/2011 10:08:46
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
...thats kinda funny given the result was one buggy room


Wrong.

You are forgetting the underpinnings they had to develop to give us WiS at all. CQ is just the 1st glimps of many more buggy rooms to come.

Also, teh adorable NeX Store providing hints of a splendid MT future for EVE Online wher it has become free to play and everyone with a wallet pilots titans in glitter costumes after week one.


Dr Fighter
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:09:00 - [43]
 

It's worse than that, eve's dead jim dead jim dead jim

Espiritu Santo
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:28:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Dr Fighter
It's worse than that, eve's dead jim dead jim dead jim


EvE is dieing, CCP have wrecked EvE......

It all began when they nerfd speed and nos, creating blob warfare, many left then.

And NOW many have left because CCP are now only interested in lining their pockets and getting as much isk out of the communities pockets, to be re-injected by idiots buying plexes for isk.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:32:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Espiritu Santo
Originally by: Dr Fighter
It's worse than that, eve's dead jim dead jim dead jim


EvE is dieing, CCP have wrecked EvE......

It all began when they nerfd speed and nos, creating blob warfare, many left then.


Not true it brought needed ballence at the time, i was there™


Originally by: Espiritu Santo

And NOW many have left because CCP are now only interested in lining their pockets and getting as much isk out of the communities pockets, to be re-injected by idiots buying plexes for isk.


to be fair though ccp havnt FORCED us to pay for anything we must have to stay competitive, i think you sound a bit too much like one of these bandwagon haters.

CCP havnt kept all their promises, but i DO STILL enjoy playing the game but i spose im one of those forum guys that actually still does :P

Espiritu Santo
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:40:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: Espiritu Santo
Originally by: Dr Fighter
It's worse than that, eve's dead jim dead jim dead jim


EvE is dieing, CCP have wrecked EvE......

It all began when they nerfd speed and nos, creating blob warfare, many left then.


Not true it brought needed ballence at the time, i was there™


Originally by: Espiritu Santo

And NOW many have left because CCP are now only interested in lining their pockets and getting as much isk out of the communities pockets, to be re-injected by idiots buying plexes for isk.


to be fair though ccp havnt FORCED us to pay for anything we must have to stay competitive, i think you sound a bit too much like one of these bandwagon haters.

CCP havnt kept all their promises, but i DO STILL enjoy playing the game but i spose im one of those forum guys that actually still does :P


Yes i was there also.........

There is a difference between balance and total wreckage.....

I personally do not enjoy BLOB warfare as now it is not to do with ship fitments and experience, now its decided by who has the biggest blob....

CCP have kept no promises apart from the ******ed ones....

Incarna must be THE biggest pile of S*** and THE biggest let down in all of EvE history.

Thumbs up to CCP for wasting months and months of design/creation/implementation when they should have been listening to the community.

Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2011.09.01 10:53:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Cpt Fina
What's wrong with fw?


For a start, I refer you to the earlier comment of a decadent Gallente scumbag:

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
the exploiters, the unbalanced missions, the unbalanced occupancy systems, the unbalanced headcount, the lack of reward for occupancy in general or anything else yet


There's a load of stuff on top of that, not least the flawed and unbalanced plexing system.


So baically some factions get better loot and NPC-bounties than others?

Sorry for being a total noob but what are the benefits of occupying systems in FW?

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.09.01 11:08:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Cpt Fina

Sorry for being a total noob but what are the benefits of occupying systems in FW?


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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.01 12:00:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Cpt Fina
What's wrong with fw?


For a start, I refer you to the earlier comment of a decadent Gallente scumbag:

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
the exploiters, the unbalanced missions, the unbalanced occupancy systems, the unbalanced headcount, the lack of reward for occupancy in general or anything else yet


There's a load of stuff on top of that, not least the flawed and unbalanced plexing system.


So baically some factions get better loot and NPC-bounties than others?



Nope, the problem isn't simply an imbalance in rewards.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:23:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: Cearain


I think they are smart enough to realize fw can be a huge draw to eve and will not just abandon it when all it really needs is some minor fixing up.



You would think so wouldn't you. However these same people believe that MT and playing dress up are the future of Eve. So yeah I wouldn't put to much faith into that.


Yeah but I would think they have to realize that was a mistake at this point. Yes there was an outcry when CCP basically said they were going to abandon spaceships for 18 months but there were also some players posting about how much they were looking forward to dress up.

Hell there are *still* some players saying they look forward to incarna - as if they don't realize it is already here! Rolling Eyes

But the 18 months is about to run. I think CCP is probably realizing they need to cap off the resources in "avatar walking" and start working on the large parts of the game that actually involve game play and are broken and neglected. FW is an obvious one.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:32:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Edited by: Vin Hellsing on 01/09/2011 02:30:32
Originally by: Har Harrison
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: Cearain


I think they are smart enough to realize fw can be a huge draw to eve and will not just abandon it when all it really needs is some minor fixing up.



You would think so wouldn't you. However these same people believe that MT and playing dress up are the future of Eve. So yeah I wouldn't put to much faith into that.

+1


Actually there are different teams with differing priorities. One of those teams probably has an eye on FW. I'm sure CCP has plans in mind for it next year.


No Vin what you say, seems to contradict the dev blogs and the csm minutes.
Going from memory:
The last dev blog describing the teams assigned to stuff was posted about july of 2010. There were only about 7 out of over a hundred devs assigned to in space features. The last csm minutes explained that no new devs were being assigned to any in space features.

Basically the only team working on in space features is team BFF. They are in charge of the null sec expansion. Thats right the team that was originally supposed to try to do the minor fixes and low hanging fruit is basically all we have for any flying in space features.

That said I think they are very good team. They basically put all of incursions together. And they probably don't need more than 7 people to fix fw and make it work well.

Based on the information provided by ccp this is the best estimate of what is going on. If any of this is inaccurate I would love for someone from ccp to correct me. Actually I would love someone doing an interview to ask what devs are assigned to in space features - how many and what inspace features are they working on.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.09.01 13:56:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Cearain

Hell there are *still* some players saying they look forward to incarna - as if they don't realize it is already here! Rolling Eyes



Is it really here though?

Because I was originally led to believe that we'd be able to, y'know, leave our quarters and meet up with people and stuff.

Bux Naked
Stained Sheets
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:08:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Borun Tal
..but I guess for those that are in it strictly for the ISK it's a pain.


lolwut. I make so much isk running FW missions it's stupid. When I can be bothered to logon that is :D

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.09.01 14:10:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Joe Skellington on 01/09/2011 14:10:38


Removing player to player faction standings probably didn't help either.

Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2011.09.01 15:20:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Cpt Fina

Sorry for being a total noob but what are the benefits of occupying systems in FW?


Occupying a system? Nothing.

You get a standings boost from winning a plex, which is perhaps the biggest mechanical benefit. That's soon superseded by mission-running once your standings is high enough to run top-level FW missions. Also, you don't actually have to win systems to get the standings.

Aside from that...

A colored dot changes on the map.
You get a number in the militia office called 'victory points.' It's not used for anything.

... and that's about it. FW occupancy changes nothing meaningful for players, at all.

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.09.05 02:02:00 - [56]
 

Is it still dead? Just thought I would check!!!

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.09.05 03:39:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Cearain

Hell there are *still* some players saying they look forward to incarna - as if they don't realize it is already here! Rolling Eyes



Is it really here though?

Because I was originally led to believe that we'd be able to, y'know, leave our quarters and meet up with people and stuff.



Yes you will be able to walk your avatar in front of different backdrops. But it is still just walking. Incarna is already here.

Your avatar will not actually talk. It will still be your voice on vent, or you typing into chat window. What you see on screen will still just be a backdrop.


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