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Xilo Nailo
Posted - 2011.08.28 01:46:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Xilo Nailo on 28/08/2011 03:49:18
i'm abandoning the corp i help start as its going nowhere and joining a friends and im gonna become the corp's lead industrial guy, im just curious, besides going for an Orca what other things should i focus on?



lemme know if im headed the right way so far.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.28 02:06:00 - [2]
 

Spreadsheeting V is a definite must. Don't even bother leading anything without it.

Gabbie Tinks
Posted - 2011.08.28 03:01:00 - [3]
 

http://eveboard.com/

easier to put your info in there and then link the page here. The API key does nothing without having the account number and then anyone wanting to review would have to plug that into something similar, or evemon etc.

The above post is the best information though, an Industry leader depends more on real life skills than character skills. Since a leader would lead, not try to do it all themselves.

If your wondering what skills you need to have to be the main industry toon that would be a different question, and one that would be easier to answer after reviewing your characters current skills, AND more importantly knowing what direction your wanting to head in industry.

Mining is different than t1 production, which is different from T2 production, which is different from Invention.

I'm planning to copy bpo's for copies to invent to make Hulks...is something someone could quickly help you answer what you need.

I want to provide max boost to mining while flying an Orca is another one easy to answer.

I want to be able to do it all...well just take every industry/science skill to 5 and your there Laughing

Zailo Sai
Posted - 2011.08.28 03:02:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Zailo Sai on 28/08/2011 03:04:48
K ill be honest, i've looked for info on the spreadsheeting skill, EVEmon, evelopedia, and another eve related site, had ZERO info on it.

ah i see, yeah i guess i coulda been more clear, basically our group plans on doing low sec mining, i want to be there to increase the miners output, and make it survivable for those protecting us.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.08.28 03:24:00 - [5]
 

OP: Don't post your API.

Use EVEBoard

Creepy Blackguy
Posted - 2011.08.28 05:35:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Zailo Sai
K ill be honest, i've looked for info on the spreadsheeting skill, EVEmon, evelopedia, and another eve related site, had ZERO info on it.


Spreadsheets aren't an in-game skill, they are an out-of-game skill. To really win in industry, you need to learn how to use spreadsheets.

Example Programs: Microsoft Excel (comes with MS Office), OpenOffice (free), Google Docs (free and web-based, which makes it ideal if you are sharing data with corp mates)

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.28 06:35:00 - [7]
 

Stuff like this:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/143/spreadsheet01.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/spreadsheet02.png/

This is my manufacturing spreadsheet. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

Missm Uppet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.28 08:05:00 - [8]
 

Can you describe your roll in more detail? The more specific you can be about what your Corp wants you to do for them, the better.

In addition to what others have said here, I'll share a few things that are somewhat generalized but important.

Inline with above, clearly define for yourself what the major rolls of your position are. Try to make it easy - jot down a few priorities (sourced with the help of other leaders in Corp hopefully) and refer to them often - it's easy to lose site of what yours and others time is best spent doing.

One concept all too often separates the haves from the have-nots in this game and in RL - spreadsheets or not.

Know what Opportunity Cost is.
Put this concept into practice with EVERY decision you make. Drill yourself with questions about how it applies to everything you do industrially in this game - to the point where it's second-nature. I would say that of those I've met here the last 4 years, greater than 90% will never really understand how to apply this principle to their decisions - either because they just don't take it seriously enough to learn to apply it thoroughly, or they just lack the intelligence quotient.

In perspective, it is a game. You are here to enjoy yourself and the company of others, achieve goals together, and maybe learn some cool stuff on the way. As a leader you have the fun job of figuring out how to balance activities for the sake of enjoyment vs activities that will reach goals fastest and most efficiently. Good luck Confused



Loraine Gess
Posted - 2011.08.28 08:43:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Missm Uppet
Can you describe your roll in more detail?




Well, sir. Allow me to describe MY roll. Baked, softly. With great care. The bread is soft, and warm to the touch. The smell is sheer ecstasy. Freshly come out of the oven, where it was tenderly watched by the finest of chefs this side of the United States, until it was baked to perfection. Rolled out of the oven, deposited on a solemn plate for my pleasure. I lust for it, its orgasmic smell, its homely shape. I thrust my knife deep, penetrating its insides. I thrust, forcing it inside open and exposed. Greedily, I lap my spear into it again, coating it in the delicious, flowing liquids. I rub my stem around on it in my own erotic, primal fashion, spreading the juices along its length. With its lewdness exposed to the world, I close it again, loosing my pole and letting the rest of my body make the movements. I pull it in, thrusting it towards me, almost. Lustily I devour it.

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.08.28 12:17:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Advanced Spreadsheeting V is a definite must. Don't even bother leading anything without it.



FYP Laughing

on topic ... most everything that's been posted is pretty good stuff. I'll have to sit back and ponder whether anything has been missed.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.08.29 00:51:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Zailo Sai
basically our group plans on doing low sec mining


Getting the EVE 101 certificate to at least Basic level would help you too.

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.29 04:51:00 - [12]
 

I'm going to be honest with you, Xilo. You sound like you have no idea what you're doing. That's okay though. Well, it's okay in the sense that you're not a bad person for not knowing all the ins and outs in being an industrial leader. It's not okay in the sense of you leading low sec mining ops.

You have no idea about efficiency. You had no idea what "Spreadsheets V" meant. You have no real experience here.

This doesn't make you a bad person, but it makes you a poor choice to be a leader. Especially one who is going to be managing anything low sec.

You need experience. You can get experience being the peon and learning by example, or you can get experience by being the leader and learning from your mistakes. The former is most likely going to be much cheaper than the latter.

Azaraius
Gallente
Fangs Of The Federation
Posted - 2011.08.29 15:49:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Kesshisan
I'm going to be honest with you, Xilo. You sound like you have no idea what you're doing. That's okay though. Well, it's okay in the sense that you're not a bad person for not knowing all the ins and outs in being an industrial leader. It's not okay in the sense of you leading low sec mining ops.

You have no idea about efficiency. You had no idea what "Spreadsheets V" meant. You have no real experience here.

This doesn't make you a bad person, but it makes you a poor choice to be a leader. Especially one who is going to be managing anything low sec.

You need experience. You can get experience being the peon and learning by example, or you can get experience by being the leader and learning from your mistakes. The former is most likely going to be much cheaper than the latter.


I have to disagree with you 100% on this one. He seems to know like he needs help and he is turning to people who are more experienced than he is... This is the quality most descent leaders lack that would make them excellent leaders.

You cant lead if you have not followed and know you are not the best.

Ditra Vorthran
Posted - 2011.08.29 17:04:00 - [14]
 

It depends on what you mean by 'leader.'

A leader is someone who can inspire, generate ideas, and motivate others to achieve a goal, etc.

A facilitator is someone who can analyze, organize, and make sure the machine runs smoothly.

I run the industrial division for our corporation for our company, but I am not a leader. I am a facilitator. My CEO comes up with ideas and feeds them through me. I match her ideology against the reality of our position and do my best to make it possible with whatever tools I can get my hands on.

Some people are lucky to be both. I am not and I understand my limitations. Some may see this as a weakness. I see it as utilizing my strengths.

As the saying goes, you need to 'know thyself' and go from there in trying to figure out how you are going to accomplish it.

Spreadsheets are only tools you use to augment your own skills.

Veleck
Gallente
Journey Construction Ltd.
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.08.29 19:44:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Ditra Vorthran
It depends on what you mean by 'leader.'

A leader is someone who can inspire, generate ideas, and motivate others to achieve a goal, etc.

A facilitator is someone who can analyze, organize, and make sure the machine runs smoothly.

I run the industrial division for our corporation for our company, but I am not a leader. I am a facilitator. My CEO comes up with ideas and feeds them through me. I match her ideology against the reality of our position and do my best to make it possible with whatever tools I can get my hands on.

Some people are lucky to be both. I am not and I understand my limitations. Some may see this as a weakness. I see it as utilizing my strengths.

As the saying goes, you need to 'know thyself' and go from there in trying to figure out how you are going to accomplish it.

Spreadsheets are only tools you use to augment your own skills.


On this topic, I'm curious as to why your corporation members work together. I've recently come back to the game and joined mostly high-security corporation. Occasionally they will ask me to help out by transporting things or mine ice (yuck). I do these things mostly for the interaction, as I can easily make more ISK/hour mining Veldspar.

More specifically, does anyone have experience taking corporation members with multiple skills, using those skills, and splitting profits? For example, one guy invents, another guy has research agents for the datacores, another guy manufactures, and the rest are miners. The corporation would then sell the resulting T2 ships (assuming there is a slight profit over the materials), and split the profits... Has anyone done this successfully? If so, how do you "fairly" split the profits? Would the corporation buy everything for each member along the way?

I may have rambled a bit there, sorry. It may just be that I need to attempt "harder" or more dangerous ventures to truly appreciate the teamwork, like moon mining or wormholes.

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.30 03:04:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Azaraius
I have to disagree with you 100% on this one.


Originally by: Ditra Vorthran
It depends on what you mean by 'leader.'


Good points by both of you. I don't feel ready to change my stance just yet, but I am rethinking it.

Officer Nyota Uhura
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.30 07:40:00 - [17]
 

I think you'll make a great industrial leader. Don't get discouraged by some minor details such as your complete lack of knowledge concerning industry or your apparent inability to tell a troll from a real poster. The job market needs all kinds of people - not only those who are good at what they do. Trust your instincts with this one, boy.

Pookoko
Posted - 2011.08.30 13:55:00 - [18]
 

Your communication & people skills are more important than SP in any specific areas. Being a leader doesn't mean being the one with the best mining & production skills and such, but rather someone who can organise & motivate a group of people who may be all better than you in their own specialist area. Get the experienced miner to organise mining ops, get a well skilled industrialist to run invention & manufacture jobs, get a hauler dude to haul stuff, get a trader dude to handle the trading stuff. Take advices from those who know, utilise those who have invested their skill points already. And most importantly, let people do what they enjoy and what they are good at.

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:35:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 30/08/2011 16:35:52

Understand what your corp needs and what your strengths are. Are you equipt to give you corp what it needs? If not that's what you should focus on. Don't be afraid to utilize of other industrials in your corp if you are in a crunch.

What kind of a corp are you getting into? Will they expect t2 production, moon mining and pos management, or just organized mining ops?

Help them define your role for you by seeking the answers.


 

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