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Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:08:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Eve Uni works at teaching the basics

Do they cover how to fit a ship? Because looking at your killboard, there's a lovely tendency to blank fitting spots. Such as here and here and here and ... actually there's quite a lot, so I won't bore you with your own fail. The solo Zealot loss to a Cane is pretty hard to pull off, too. But hey, you're trying, right?

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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
No, not everyone agrees. There's a difference.
I disagree...


You fail to read, or what? Because you're saying you disagree that other people disagree .. which means you speak for everyone. Which you don't.
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How about this: Finding people of a similar skill-set / experience level to run with ends up fostering *more* learning

Actually, if you had a clue, you'd know that studies suggest students learning from students (peer to peer learning) enhances their ability to learn. Which is pretty useful when you're, say, twelve years old and still learning how to learn.
In terms of learning factual information, well, guess what? That information needs to come from somewhere to feed into the system. The greater number of students you have learning from one another, the greater the tendency for "theory" to become fact. This is why I sit in the E-Uni channels and hear 5-10 people all chiming the same utter trash, none of which is correct. They've learned what they THINK is right, and pass it on like rats with the black death to other students who ask.
As for "getting it all in one place" a previous poster already pointed out some errors in the Eve Wiki. Truth is, most of it is written by people with little actual experience in doing it. Ergo all the errors.
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I didn't say "go out and make an amorphous blob. I said "go out and "do it better". Which you did *not* address, and I'll tell you why you didn't. Because teaching the ropes, over and over without break (even Agony doesn't run pvp ops 23/7) is a ***** job (and I wouldn't want it) while "playing a game".

How narrow minded of you, dear. If you can get past the "dedicated teacher, student" model, you'd realize that most people in the game joined and had no such thing. How about you, I don't know, work it out for yourself? Then ask focused questions, on areas that need clarifying? Do you REALLY need to be ****ing spoonfed?

Actually, YOU do.

Lesson one: Put something in all the fitting slots of your ship, the benefits of finishing a fit.

Originally by: Me
And there it is. The most ******ed comment you could possibly make. What is happening, is this:
E-Uni detractors: "The concept of a large corp of new players learning from each other is fundamentally flawed, and the idea of 1:1 training scales terribly with scale. New players are better off elsewhere"
E-Uni lovers: "Yea .. YEAH!?!? WELL WHY DON'T YOU GO MAKE YOUR OWN LARGE AMORPHOUS BLOB CORP AND DO IT BETTER!!"
E-Uni detractors: /emote facepalm

Originally by: You
Again - if your so special and talented, and the Uni is *SO* ****ed up, go out and show Eve Online how to do it better!

So, once more, we have people saying "the learning corp is a flawed idea" wheras all you can reply with, is "make your own learning corp and do it better!!"

Le sigh.

I then ask for any famous / successful alumni .. to which you then claim you'd have to research them. You don't think, needing to research them, is proof they amount to nothing?

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Nope, they should accept the answer they're given

A totalitarian concept. Nice.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.31 17:34:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Do they cover how to fit a ship? Because looking at your killboard, there's a lovely tendency to blank fitting spots. Such as here

Faction Web isn't on it, it's not on our kill-board either. No idea why.
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
and here

Grabbed this after my Myrm was killed (the below killmail) - really, the hi-slots on a griffin aren't the important parts (as if a griffin is *important*) - just there for KM whoring if I got the chance...
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
and here and ... actually there's quite a lot, so I won't bore you with your own fail.

I remember this one. I was going back and forth, swapping T2 guns & meta 4/3/2 guns, modules and ammo, checking tracking/damage/optimal, etc., (i.e. - not relying solely on EFT) when the atlas guys came in. Call went out for extra points. It was a "come as you are party" - so I went. Should I have replaced the rails? Sure. So what? I never claimed to be perfect, or even good @ pvp - but it sure seems to be important to you... Rolling Eyes
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
The solo Zealot loss to a Cane is pretty hard to pull off, too. But hey, you're trying, right?

This too is ****ed up on our boards - Shood was in a Pilgrim. Thought I would lose, but I went after him anyway. It was fun for me, and I'm assuming he had fun. So what? No one's ever heard of a Bjorked killmail?
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
No, not everyone agrees. There's a difference.
I disagree...


throw away one-liner, deal with it...
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Actually, if you had a clue, you'd know that studies suggest students learning from students (peer to peer learning) enhances their ability to learn. As for "getting it all in one place" a previous poster already pointed out some errors in the Eve Wiki. Truth is, most of it is written by people with little actual experience in doing it. Ergo all the errors.

Yeah, HUGE friggin surprise, there's errors in a Wiki... ZOMFG STOP THE PRESSES! You know, if you gave a ****, you could help weed out those errors... Instead of just trolling... (looks at corp tag): nvrmnd...Rolling Eyes
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
How narrow minded of you, dear. If you can get past the "dedicated teacher, student" model, you'd realize that most people in the game joined and had no such thing. How about you, I don't know, work it out for yourself? Then ask focused questions, on areas that need clarifying? Do you REALLY need to be ****ing spoonfed?
Actually, YOU do.
Lesson one: Put something in all the fitting slots of your ship, the benefits of finishing a fit.

Most people didn't have the benefit of it, and according to CCP, the average time people stay is about 7 mos... Seems to be working good. And, since it seems to be such an issue for you, i'll probably continue to leave empty slots, just for you!
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
So, once more, we have people saying "the learning corp is a flawed idea" wheras all you can reply with, is "make your own learning corp and do it better!!"

Le sigh.

Do it better =/= "make your own corp", it means, do it better and show everyone how 1337 you are. You won't.
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
I then ask for any famous / successful alumni .. to which you then claim you'd have to research them. You don't think, needing to research them, is proof they amount to nothing?

No (dolt) it means I would have to research *anyone* who's "great" @ pvp - other than Flash/The Hermit/Happy San - get it yet?
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
A totalitarian concept. Nice.

Isn't it? Most corps aren't Democracies... So?

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.31 17:49:00 - [183]
 


Xolani1990
Minmatar
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.31 22:55:00 - [184]
 

Edited by: Xolani1990 on 31/08/2011 22:56:26
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Eve Uni works at teaching the basics

Do they cover how to fit a ship? Because looking at your killboard, there's a lovely tendency to blank fitting spots. Such as here and here and here and ... actually there's quite a lot, so I won't bore you with your own fail. The solo Zealot loss to a Cane is pretty hard to pull off, too. But hey, you're trying, right?



Can't be bothered reading the rest of your post, but I've read this kind of criticism of E-UNI from you in the past.

You seem to sponsor the idea of "learning to fly on the go" while seeming to fail to recognise the importance for some people to lose poorly fitted ships as a learning experience, and being in an environment like E-UNI they can lose such ships and go back to their peers and mentors and be told "this this and this are why you lost that ship, try fitting it this way next time" instead of getting the reaction that I can predict you giving to a player in a similar situation, "Lol, did anyone ever teach you to fit a ship?"

You can't have it both ways, these losses can be an important learning experience for a lot of younger players, and you seem to love the idea of them learning as they go.

e. for the record, E-UNI does have limited fitting rules that apply to wartime, such as T2 buffer tank on battlecruisers and above.

Tuggboat
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.01 00:57:00 - [185]
 

Very Entertaining thread. Put down Catch22 to read it. OP has nice writing sytle. Ideas are well shaped, they are beyond balanced or rhythmic. Its as if you can feel the Big Loops in the letters and furious slant whereas this dumm dum troll hada more upright feel. Its too bad the bigger Alliances don't have writers like this Poetic dude, or even CCP for that matter.

Best thing since Helicity social engineered CCP on twitter if you ask me. WHat was that troll by a guy with whiskers painted on his face. That was pretty funny too.

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.09.01 08:41:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
This is actually a better one - taught me not to fit/rat drunk...

ZOMG! EYE ARE ZO FAILZ!


Well aren't you just special. "Bugged killmail" ... really? I mean ... REALLY?

I'd accept one. When you start applying that same excuse to every loss you have? It doesn't become believable.

Originally by: Xolani1990
Can't be bothered reading the rest of your post, but I've read this kind of criticism of E-UNI from you in the past. You seem to sponsor the idea of "learning to fly on the go" while seeming to fail to recognise the importance for some people to lose poorly fitted ships as a learning experience, and being in an environment like E-UNI they can lose such ships and go back to their peers and mentors and be told "this this and this are why you lost that ship, try fitting it this way next time" instead of getting the reaction that I can predict you giving to a player in a similar situation, "Lol, did anyone ever teach you to fit a ship?"


You missed the part where she is an E-Uni ALUMNI. Try to see if you see my point now.

Kamel Tow
Posted - 2011.09.01 12:11:00 - [187]
 

I could really care less about all this UNI drama. The place isn't perfect, but I learned some stuff there, and then moved on when the rules of the corp impacted how I wanted to play the game. That's no big deal; heck, they encourage it.

On the other hand, Poetic is such a tool, I think I'd like to blow her up one day. Maybe then we can read a new post about how the UNI orchestrated that.

Zenku Marku
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:48:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: Zenku Marku on 01/09/2011 17:49:17
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
This is actually a better one - taught me not to fit/rat drunk...

ZOMG! EYE ARE ZO FAILZ!


Well aren't you just special. "Bugged killmail" ... really? I mean ... REALLY?

I'd accept one. When you start applying that same excuse to every loss you have? It doesn't become believable.

Are you being deliberately obtuse (on second thought, your corp ticker should have been the clue...)? I said "it taught me not to fit/rat drunk" that is *not* a bugged killmail, i actually went out ratting in that fit - drunk as a skunk. When I get that ripped anymore, I usually have corpies check to make sure I haven't forgotten guns, scrams or something else really important . . .


/sigh... goddam CCP and their ****ed boards- posted with alt... ugh

Demonization
Posted - 2011.09.03 16:43:00 - [189]
 

Posting in the worst thread ever created on this forum.

Whaaa whaaaaaa e-uni isn't real pvp whaaa blobs whaaaaaaaa I decced them and they didn't fight fairly whaaaa whaaa whaaaaaaaaaa

In response to the OP: let's face it, 99% of the ****heads who wardec the uni are just high-sec griefing ***gots looking for easy kills who invariably get ****d in the face and then cry a river. As said, if you want PvP go to lowsec or nullsec, stop ****ing about in highsec and stop whining like a whaaaaaaawhaaaa. The uni is a great place to begin your eve career - you can always tell an ex unista out in nullsec because they're the ones who don't ****ing jump without being told to. I wholeheartedly support any change to the game to stop the uni from getting faildecs, how any of you can insult the uni when you're in highsec wardeccing industrial and noob corps is beyond me, you're literally a winnet hanging on to the end of an ass hair.


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