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dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:05:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: dum dumdum
I wonder if griefing and suicide ganking are allowed in the long list of Uni rules? Then again there is always the GTFO outta Jail card (Silentbrick ordered it so its ok). Either way id watch your back Poetic.

I wonder how they'll all feel with the secstatus hit? I would of course let them pod me in highsec.

Brick is just ****ed that I mentioned the SBU debacle publicly. It was supposed to be known as The Great Offlined Small POS Bash of 2011. Not the SBU ****up of 2011.


You say that like anyone outside the n00bcorp has a high opinion of the rear admiral.

His sig clearly says "I am a Carebear leading other Carebears"

Some players such as Vuk Lau or Shadoo have extensive knowledge and experience and FC like a BOSS.
Silentbrick has Uni Director and Admiral Epeen.

If he truely is ****ed at being outed as the failure that he is, he needs his head checked. This is not news to anyone ouside of Ivy League and even to the non sheep iwthin Ivy League.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:45:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 19:47:21

Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win.

Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved.

Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :)

dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:42:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 20:45:04
Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 20:42:53
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 30/08/2011 19:47:21

Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win.

Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved.

Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :)


i assume they know about kill rights

Laughing

Also congratz on becoming public enemy number 1 to the Uni.

I hope it was worth it

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:58:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: dum dumdum
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel

Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win.

Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved.

Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :)


i assume they know about kill rights

Laughing

Also congratz on becoming public enemy number 1 to the Uni.

I hope it was worth it

I know. It's like they're giving me a free wardec for one month on whoever kills me. ;)

The game will be more interesting for awhile. That is for sure.

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.08.30 21:18:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: dum dumdum
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel

Kelduum is currently rallying the troops in Mumble and searching the IPs to track me down. TOR network for the win.

Oh, now they're setting me to -10 with the Uni, and allowing Unistas to kill me in lowsec. :) I hope they realize there's still the secstatus hit involved.

Gonna get me a clean clone and let a tonne of them pod me in lowsec. :)


i assume they know about kill rights

Laughing

Also congratz on becoming public enemy number 1 to the Uni.

I hope it was worth it

I know. It's like they're giving me a free wardec for one month on whoever kills me. ;)

The game will be more interesting for awhile. That is for sure.


Do remember, that to collect kill rights, you cannot return fire or otherwise redbox the original killer.

Also, they'll have read this and will no doubt make a new rule ....

dum dumdum
Posted - 2011.08.30 21:38:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: dum dumdum on 31/08/2011 00:13:14
Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 23:27:04
Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 22:51:52
Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 22:23:26
Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 21:59:13
Edited by: dum dumdum on 30/08/2011 21:41:02

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Nikita Keriget
Posted - 2011.08.30 21:58:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: dum dumdum
I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do.

I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears.


Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 22:48:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Nikita Keriget
Originally by: dum dumdum
I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do.

I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears.


Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as.

Keep fishing.

Sakura Zendragon
Posted - 2011.08.30 22:58:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Nikita Keriget
Originally by: dum dumdum
I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do.

I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears.


Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as.


Epic facepalm? dum dumdumbass....

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:05:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Sakura Zendragon
Originally by: Nikita Keriget
Originally by: dum dumdum
I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do.

I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears.


Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as.


Epic facepalm? dum dumdumbass....

Rolling Eyes

If I was chatting with myself, I'd have one account using Firefox and the other using Chrome. And I would have edited the post immediately. I am an incessant editor after the fact. :)

Anyhow ... there's no convincing anyone ... so feel free to believe what you want.

I hear the Uni just got wardecced again. Laughing

Nikita Keriget
Posted - 2011.08.30 23:35:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: Nikita Keriget
Originally by: dum dumdum
I wouldn't worry about that. If Admiral ickbar is anything to go by, they will see flashy and shoot flashy. Monkey see and monkey do.

I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears.


Poetic, you forgot to change the character to post as.

Keep fishing.


If EVE University is setting you (Poetic Stanziel) -10, then why did 'dum dumdum' say "I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears."? That statement would make sense coming from you, hence it looks an awful lot like you forgot to switch characters for posting.

I also took the opportunity to look up the user profile for dum dumdum - I see that his only participation in the forums is this very thread.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:24:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Nikita Keriget
If EVE University is setting you (Poetic Stanziel) -10, then why did 'dum dumdum' say "I can collect kill rights left and right and start collecting some tears."? That statement would make sense coming from you, hence it looks an awful lot like you forgot to switch characters for posting.

I also took the opportunity to look up the user profile for dum dumdum - I see that his only participation in the forums is this very thread.

It's all good. Turns out it was a clever and elaborate troll to discredit me by Silentbrick. I didn't think he had that in him.

Here's the chatlog. I'll post screenshots in a bit. I'm actually quite impressed with the subterfuge. Kudos to the Uni for it.

---------------------------------------------------------------


Channel ID: -24592105
Channel Name: Private Chat (dum dumdum)
Listener: Poetic Stanziel
Session started: 2011.08.31 00:01:47

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[ 2011.08.31 00:02:00 ] Poetic Stanziel > Apparently I am talking to myself here too.
[ 2011.08.31 00:03:17 ] Poetic Stanziel > So, an elaborate troll job, the use of the first person in your last post? If so, kudos to you sir. Clever.
[ 2011.08.31 00:03:36 ] dum dumdum > thank you
[ 2011.08.31 00:03:49 ] dum dumdum > in all honesty
[ 2011.08.31 00:04:01 ] dum dumdum > i got nothing against you, but im an old uni contact
[ 2011.08.31 00:04:08 ] dum dumdum > and i was paid for this job
[ 2011.08.31 00:04:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah.
[ 2011.08.31 00:04:36 ] dum dumdum > quite well actually, 1 bil to be exact and it brightened up my 00 roams
[ 2011.08.31 00:04:52 ] dum dumdum > anyways nothing against you bro, purely business
[ 2011.08.31 00:05:06 ] Poetic Stanziel > Well, good play. I didn't expect anything quite so clever from them.
[ 2011.08.31 00:05:27 ] Poetic Stanziel > I'm not butthurt over it. I figured it was a troll with that last post.
[ 2011.08.31 00:05:48 ] Poetic Stanziel > But since the character was 5 days old, was a little confused still.
[ 2011.08.31 00:05:57 ] dum dumdum > ye i kinda got overzealous with my posts
[ 2011.08.31 00:06:02 ] dum dumdum > i was hired 5 days ago
[ 2011.08.31 00:06:10 ] Poetic Stanziel > ?
[ 2011.08.31 00:06:29 ] dum dumdum > silent has it in for you for a while
[ 2011.08.31 00:06:30 ] Poetic Stanziel > That doesn't make much sense. I wasn't bashing them publicly 5 days ago.
[ 2011.08.31 00:06:35 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah.
[ 2011.08.31 00:06:46 ] Poetic Stanziel > He is a bit of a child.
[ 2011.08.31 00:06:49 ] dum dumdum > well to be exact i was hired a while ago
[ 2011.08.31 00:07:05 ] dum dumdum > but my job changed
[ 2011.08.31 00:07:29 ] dum dumdum > i just needed to destroy any credibility you had so that you are no longer a thorn in the Uni's side

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:26:00 - [163]
 

[ 2011.08.31 00:07:30 ] Poetic Stanziel > So why the confession now?
[ 2011.08.31 00:07:36 ] dum dumdum > my job is done
[ 2011.08.31 00:07:42 ] Poetic Stanziel > Ah.
[ 2011.08.31 00:07:51 ] dum dumdum > i thought i mite as well let you know who comissioned me
[ 2011.08.31 00:08:06 ] dum dumdum > ive been paid too so i dont care that you know
[ 2011.08.31 00:08:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > Makes sense I suppose. Not entirely, but I suppose.
[ 2011.08.31 00:08:28 ] dum dumdum > silent will flat out deny anything anyway as will the uni
[ 2011.08.31 00:08:43 ] Poetic Stanziel > Good play though. I should have stayed out of it this morning. Thought I should. Was going too. But didn't.
[ 2011.08.31 00:08:44 ] dum dumdum > but i think knowing is better than not knowing for you at least
[ 2011.08.31 00:08:53 ] Poetic Stanziel > Of course.
[ 2011.08.31 00:09:06 ] dum dumdum > either way its nothing personal, just fulfilling a contract
[ 2011.08.31 00:09:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > I knew the alts posting the "you're taling to yourself" posts were Uni.
[ 2011.08.31 00:09:32 ] dum dumdum > it wasnt azmo
[ 2011.08.31 00:09:36 ] dum dumdum > it was silent
[ 2011.08.31 00:09:42 ] Poetic Stanziel > I ddin't know who. I was just guessing there.
[ 2011.08.31 00:09:48 ] Poetic Stanziel > But knew it was Uni.
[ 2011.08.31 00:09:48 ] dum dumdum > he wanted to spring the trap there and then
[ 2011.08.31 00:09:59 ] dum dumdum > i told him its too obvious and he was going to blow it
[ 2011.08.31 00:10:07 ] Poetic Stanziel > Impatient. No credibility at that point.
[ 2011.08.31 00:10:15 ] dum dumdum > so isntead i led things along a few more posts before springing the trap
[ 2011.08.31 00:10:17 ] Poetic Stanziel > The use of first person later was the key.
[ 2011.08.31 00:10:24 ] dum dumdum > took the pubbies a while to realise tho
[ 2011.08.31 00:10:39 ] dum dumdum > i had to go irl so wasnt able to delete my msg as soon as someone posted and quoted
[ 2011.08.31 00:10:54 ] dum dumdum > but the uni was happy with the job and i was paid
[ 2011.08.31 00:11:11 ] dum dumdum > anyways mate i do sympathise, seems that you have been screwed overa few times
[ 2011.08.31 00:11:13 ] Poetic Stanziel > Kudos sir. Anyhow, Good luck. And good 1B earned.
[ 2011.08.31 00:11:15 ] dum dumdum > one being my work
[ 2011.08.31 00:11:31 ] dum dumdum > but watch out for yourself, i know for a fact that silent has other operatives out there
[ 2011.08.31 00:11:40 ] Poetic Stanziel > Will do.
[ 2011.08.31 00:11:41 ] dum dumdum > he is taking it personally
[ 2011.08.31 00:11:46 ] Poetic Stanziel > When doesn't he?
[ 2011.08.31 00:12:19 ] dum dumdum > ok take care, this char is biomassed soon. I hope we dont meet again, at least not under the same circumstances. And plz remember this is nothing personal against you. just a job in a game
[ 2011.08.31 00:12:30 ] dum dumdum > o/
[ 2011.08.31 00:12:33 ] Poetic Stanziel > Don't worry. Not too fussed.
[ 2011.08.31 00:12:45 ] dum dumdum > im glad to hear it
[ 2011.08.31 00:12:51 ] Poetic Stanziel > o7

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.31 00:45:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 31/08/2011 01:49:34
Screenies.

Images

Anyhow, kudos to them for the well-played plan.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:27:00 - [165]
 

Re: my statement saying "Kudos to the Uni."

Their hired operative has made it clear to me that the credit is his. They hired him. He came up with the plan.

So, kudos to the hired operative.

(I'd post the chatlog, but in the event I'm being played, I'd rather not have the organization he claims to belong to ****ed off at me as well.)

SupaKudoRio
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:39:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 31/08/2011 01:40:12
ITT forum poaster has a chat with himself ingame, makes a nice story and provides the chatlog (and screenshots) as 'proof'.

Or was I paid 1bil to discredit you too? Shocked


E: Laughing I like how your screenshot links got censored.

El Atreyu
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:42:00 - [167]
 

Wow, this thread went from mildly amusing to something resembling a turd in my toilet to outright pathetic. Even in the face of incredible amounts of evidence you still blatantly spin your lies. So sad.

Poetic, you can falsify chat logs, have endless conversations with your obvious sock-puppet alt and link us to non-existent screenshots full of "Error 404 - Not found" all day long, but you've been outed bro.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.31 01:53:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 31/08/2011 01:55:56
Originally by: SupaKudoRio
E: Laughing I like how your screenshot links got censored.

Fixed. Had wrong setting on Picasa.

Sure, chat logs and screenies are no proof of anything ... except that I must be a champion level typist to hold a conversation across two clients in real-time and in two completely different styles of typing.

E: The Uni has a lot of alts out today.

SupaKudoRio
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:29:00 - [169]
 

Confirming I am an EVE Uni alt. Along with being the alt of several other people at the same time.

You don't seem to grasp how easy it is to switch between clients. So what you can type moderately quickly in two styles? That's something a lot of people can do.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.31 02:38:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: SupaKudoRio
Confirming I am an EVE Uni alt. Along with being the alt of several other people at the same time.

You don't seem to grasp how easy it is to switch between clients. So what you can type moderately quickly in two styles? That's something a lot of people can do.

You're trying too hard. You're not even trying to be subtle about it.

Anyhow, I'm done. I'll see you guys in lowsec.

SupaKudoRio
Posted - 2011.08.31 03:23:00 - [171]
 

Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 31/08/2011 03:24:09
Psh, subtle. That's boring.

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Anyhow, I'm done. I'll see you guys in lowsec.

Wink Alright. Have fun now, y'hear?

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:00:00 - [172]
 

Eve Uni does good work. Not everyone appreciates it, that's cool too. Funny thing about the Uni is, the most important thing it teach isn't in any syllabus or lesson plan. It's the connections you make there. Finding a group you can fly with when you leave, or finding a group of people you can leave with / go with.

Most of you sound like you've forgotten what it's like to have 2m isk total in your wallets. Hell, a dam 5m isk cruiser is a luxury item...

Poetic (lol) has some butt hurt (and apparently several others do too) over how the Uni operates... Tuff Krap. It's not your corp. It's like all you neckbeard mouthbreathers all lined up and started telling any other corp in the game, how to run their business...

You don't like how they do it? Go out and do it better.

You won't.

Last time I know of that someone tried, I think the experiment lasted all of 2 months and got up to about 20 "students" before it folded. All you can do is come to the forums and whine. Get over it.

Eve Uni works and has worked for over 7 years doing what no one else (including CCP) could do (with the possible exception of the Goons) which is teach the basics. Once your done with the basics, it's time to move on. Which is kinda what the Graduate medal is used for. It gives people a marker. The tutorials may be better now, but they weren't always.

Poetic Stanziel, you aren't original, or very imaginative.

Too bad that the Uni couldn't bio-mass your mouth when they kicked you, you over-entitled whining little ****.

Ensign X
EVE University
Posted - 2011.08.31 04:07:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Eve Uni does good work. Not everyone appreciates it, that's cool too. Funny thing about the Uni is, the most important thing it teach isn't in any syllabus or lesson plan. It's the connections you make there. Finding a group you can fly with when you leave, or finding a group of people you can leave with / go with.

Most of you sound like you've forgotten what it's like to have 2m isk total in your wallets. Hell, a dam 5m isk cruiser is a luxury item...

Poetic (lol) has some butt hurt (and apparently several others do too) over how the Uni operates... Tuff Krap. It's not your corp. It's like all you neckbeard mouthbreathers all lined up and started telling any other corp in the game, how to run their business...

You don't like how they do it? Go out and do it better.

You won't.

Last time I know of that someone tried, I think the experiment lasted all of 2 months and got up to about 20 "students" before it folded. All you can do is come to the forums and whine. Get over it.

Eve Uni works and has worked for over 7 years doing what no one else (including CCP) could do (with the possible exception of the Goons) which is teach the basics. Once your done with the basics, it's time to move on. Which is kinda what the Graduate medal is used for. It gives people a marker. The tutorials may be better now, but they weren't always.

Poetic Stanziel, you aren't original, or very imaginative.

Too bad that the Uni couldn't bio-mass your mouth when they kicked you, you over-entitled whining little ****.


I think I love you.

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.08.31 10:42:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Eve Uni does good work

You state your opinion as fact, poor start.
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Not everyone appreciates it, that's cool too

No, not everyone agrees. There's a difference.
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Funny thing about the Uni is, the most important thing it teach isn't in any syllabus or lesson plan. It's the connections you make there

This is actually one of the largest problems with the Uni. Everyone can make friends, in any group of 1500-2000 people, unless they have serious social maladies. The fact that all the contacts you make are other students of the same system, is incredibly limiting in scope and purpose. "Blind leading the blind" and all that.
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Most of you sound like you've forgotten what it's like to have 2m isk total in your wallets

Yeah those first 4 days are the kicker Rolling Eyes
Given that you can complete the tutorials and the epic arc BEFORE you'd even get an "interview" and entrance into the Uni, your point is lost.
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It's not your corp. It's like all you neckbeard mouthbreathers

I don't have a beard. Ad-hominem much?
Of course, like usual, we're about to get the typical nonsense from E-Uni ..
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You don't like how they do it? Go out and do it better

And there it is. The most ******ed comment you could possibly make.
What is happening, is this:
E-Uni detractors: "The concept of a large corp of new players learning from each other is fundamentally flawed, and the idea of 1:1 training scales terribly with scale. New players are better off elsewhere"
E-Uni lovers: "Yea .. YEAH!?!? WELL WHY DON'T YOU GO MAKE YOUR OWN LARGE AMORPHOUS BLOB CORP AND DO IT BETTER!!"
E-Uni detractors: /emote facepalm
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Eve Uni works

In your opinion, again. E-Uni is fantastic at creating risk adverse carebears. Nothing else. List me some examples of Alumni who have gone on to, say, do anything meaningful in PVP.
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doing what no one else (including CCP) could do (with the possible exception of the Goons) which is teach the basics

Except that the vast majority of players are NOT E-Uni alumni .. and yet mastered them by some magic, then? Cool story.
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Too bad that the Uni couldn't bio-mass your mouth when they kicked you, you over-entitled whining little ****

So ... anyone unsure of WHY the rules are how they are (you know .. wanting to learn?) should just STFU?

Nice work.

Sahara Sena
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.08.31 10:51:00 - [175]
 

Poetic, any possible validity to your arguments has been completely undermined by this ridiculous and farcical display you put on here. Your attempt to manufacture support for your cause through the creation of an obvious alt is disturbingly sad. After posting on the wrong toon, your attempt to then 'prove' it was genuine is taking it to a whole 'nother level of stupid. All you have done is suceeded in making yourself look like a loser with an internet connection and an agenda. And finally, your attempt to portray yourself as a victim of a massive billion ISK campaign paid for by the Uni is just pathetic. They'd much rather spend the money on skillbooks and blackbirds than waste any more energy on a failtroll like you. You just don't matter.

In EVE, a universe rife with deceipt and duplicity, there exist rare communities of trust and mutual respect that you can carry with you throughout your time in New Eden. EVE University - despite its flaws - is one such place. You've managed to completely destroy any goodwill you may have had with the E-UNI community (which includes the several thousand alumni who still greatly value the institution that gave them their first start in EVE), which is really your loss. Whatever you feel you may have accomplished with this petulant display of yours, I doubt it was worth losing all that you have.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.08.31 11:11:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 31/08/2011 11:13:44
Originally by: Sahara Sena
Poetic, any possible validity to your arguments has been completely undermined by this ridiculous and farcical display you put on here. Your attempt to manufacture support for your cause through the creation of an obvious alt is disturbingly sad. After posting on the wrong toon, your attempt to then 'prove' it was genuine is taking it to a whole 'nother level of stupid.

The only people carrying on the charade that dum dumdum was me, are Uni alts and ex-Unistas.

Either I'm a total moron, for making such a simple mistake as a mispost, in a conversation not even approaching anything real-time.

Or I'm a ****ing genius for holding a real-time conversation with myself, across two clients, in two completely different styles of typing, spelling and use of language. And remaining consistent for the entire conversation. With many of the conversational elements mere seconds apart, and often overlapping. Hard to fake the screenshots, especially given the limited time involved to do it, and the alpha channels inherent in the EVE UI.

I guess I'll go with ****ing genius. Thanks.

(Everything mentioned about the Uni in this thread still holds under scrutiny as truth.)

(1B ISK. Not all that much money in this game.)

(Silentbrick. Still a tool. And I await his next move.)

Effortless Breeze
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.08.31 13:10:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
I'm a total moron


Amen

You should sell your e-rage and tear production services in C&P. They like talking to themselves too and high quality nerd rage like this has been hard to come by.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.31 14:04:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
You state your opinion as fact, poor start.


Eve Uni works at teaching the basics, bringing people of similar age together, giving them the chance to form relationships and leave to join/form other groups... Works fine. As for "stating my opinion as fact"? So what? That's all this thread is, is opinion. Mine is as valid as anyone else who disagrees.
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
No, not everyone agrees. There's a difference.
I disagree... Rolling Eyes
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
This is actually one of the largest problems with the Uni. Everyone can make friends, in any group of 1500-2000 people, unless they have serious social maladies. The fact that all the contacts you make are other students of the same system, is incredibly limiting in scope and purpose. "Blind leading the blind" and all that.

Heheheheh. That's funny, as if a 30 day old was running the show... How about this: Finding people of a similar skill-set / experience level to run with ends up fostering *more* learning, as people branch out and talk to each other. I (and I *know* others do as well) learned about industry/invention from acquaintances who were learning that at the time. Talked standings / mission running with miners to understand refine yields and with data core farmers about passive income (and yes, mission running for isk - would have lost my first Raven when I didn't understand the difference between passive and active tank). etc., etc., etc., Sure, you can get those things elsewhere, but the Uni puts it all under one roof (so to speak).
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Yeah those first 4 days are the kicker Rolling Eyes
Given that you can complete the tutorials and the epic arc BEFORE you'd even get an "interview" and entrance into the Uni, your point is lost.
No, it's not (if you would stop to think before posting) - tutorials are great (far better than when I joined) but some people are still not sure how to acquire their continuing income. The worst part of it is - the tutorials are better now than they have ever been, why? Because they bloody needed the dam things to explain wtf is going on so bad! And CCP needed to make tutorials and make them better, because the dam game has zilch for explanations - at least at first glance, to a n00b... Again, the Uni works to assist in this area as well.
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
I don't have a beard. Ad-hominem much?

Yeah, I do at times, deal with it. I'm *not* necessarily a nice person IRL either...
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Of course, like usual, we're about to get the typical nonsense from E-Uni... And there it is. The most ******ed comment you could possibly make.
What is happening, is this:
E-Uni detractors: "The concept of a large corp of new players learning from each other is fundamentally flawed, and the idea of 1:1 training scales terribly with scale. New players are better off elsewhere"
E-Uni lovers: "Yea .. YEAH!?!? WELL WHY DON'T YOU GO MAKE YOUR OWN LARGE AMORPHOUS BLOB CORP AND DO IT BETTER!!"
E-Uni detractors: /emote facepalm

Laughing I didn't say "go out and make an amorphous blob. I said "go out and "do it better". Which you did *not* address, and I'll tell you why you didn't. Because teaching the ropes, over and over without break (even Agony doesn't run pvp ops 23/7) is a ***** job (and I wouldn't want it) while "playing a game".

Again - if your so special and talented, and the Uni is *SO* ****ed up, go out and show Eve Online how to do it better! I'm sure you'll be a knockout!
<<<snippage for length>>>

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.31 14:36:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
In your opinion, again.

Yeah, my opinion - so what, it's just as valid as (WOOT WOOT!) your opinion...
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
E-Uni is fantastic at creating risk adverse carebears. Nothing else. List me some examples of Alumni who have gone on to, say, do anything meaningful in PVP.

#1 - yeah, I'm gonna go with "in your opinion" again. Because "Risk Aversion" starts outside the game.

What? Give you a list? It's a game, I don't keep track of (or study) other people's pvp (outside my own Corp). I don't read blogs very often (except where a corpie points something out){and Flashfresh's Blog }, I don't study killboards and I don't keep track of the thousands of pilots before me, or the thousands after me. You want a list, look it up yourself. I'm sure there are pilots who've been in the Uni that "do good pvp", purely on the law of averages alone...Rolling Eyes
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Except that the vast majority of players are NOT E-Uni alumni .. and yet mastered them by some magic, then? Cool story.
Good for them, straw man argument, but nice try. The Uni teaches the basics, and does it well, people run into problems when they stay beyond their comfort zone. E-U doesn't teach only pvp, and when people get to where they want to do more, they should leave. Simple as that, because it's *not* set up to be a long term home.
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
So ... anyone unsure of WHY the rules are how they are (you know .. wanting to learn?) should just STFU?

Nice work.

Nope, they should accept the answer they're given. If it doesn't suit them, figure out why and deal with it. Not make tonnes more work for everyone by whining that the Uni won't change to suit them (in a game...). I still don't get where people think that telling the uni leadership to change **** just because they disagree with how it's run...

It's their corp, they run it how they see fit. Just like any other corp in the game. Stop crying on the forums.


Justice Starcatcher
Volatile Nature
Posted - 2011.08.31 15:19:00 - [180]
 

Sad how these discussions always degrade into a black hole of worthless noise.

Back to the beginning. No, no player run corp should become an NPC corp just to avoid war declarations. And, I doubt very much CCP would ever think it was a good idea. As many have said, War Dec's are key part of EVE.

What I could see happening is CCP officially recognizing EU as a training corporation, so new players are directed towards it.

To those who don't like Eve University, remember CCP's metric is account retention not pilot skill. I would also add as someone who has seen RL higher education from both sides (student and teacher). Universities are a trial of mediocrity Laughing. Universities donít inspire greatness, just getting everything done. Those that do excel do so because of something inside themselves.


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