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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.29 12:11:00 - [61]
 

Just do what 95% of the player base is doing and ignore the LOLNEX store. Failshop is fail.

Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.08.29 12:57:00 - [62]
 

You may be three months late but its still relevant. Funnily enough I looked for the threadnought that caused so much angst and arnars insulting blog that compounded it and I couldnt find either? Am I just incompetent at searching the forums or have these threads been removed?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.29 13:00:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 13:01:11
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
What doesnt?
The NeX items. They cost PLEX. No matter how much ISK you have (or how much time you're willing to spend to build/farm/earn), without PLEX, you're not getting any.

Mordenn G'Kar
Posted - 2011.08.29 13:29:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 13:01:11
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
What doesnt?
The NeX items. They cost PLEX. No matter how much ISK you have (or how much time you're willing to spend to build/farm/earn), without PLEX, you're not getting any.


I dont wish to annoy you, but I can buy PLEX with isk. I can also look in the Apparel section of the market and buy NEX items with isk. So um.. what cant I buy with isk?

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.29 13:30:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 29/08/2011 13:31:12
CCP is not what it once was.

Used to be a small compsny making a space game, and is now gradually becoming rather big. The sense of excelence in making a good game is gradually being replaced by having an excelent bottom line. The implementation of the NEX store confirms this. Why else add MT to a subscription based game? They give you a lot of bull**** sweet talk about it, but it is easy to see thorugh the obfuscation and see that what they really want is simply more money, consequences to players and game be damned.

Even in my "short" 3.5 years of EVE I have seen a change in how they operate. It is also easy to spot the lack on proper internal communication in CCP, both from personal experience in a growing company, and how they talk to the players.

Maybe CCP will overcome the growing pains, and short its priorities out sometime. At least I hope so, becuase EVE is actually a good game among a sea of very poor wow clones.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.29 13:50:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 14:10:00
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
I dont wish to annoy you, but I can buy PLEX with isk.
No, you can't. You can trade ISK for a PLEX that some other player has bought with cash. To get that PLEX to begin with, actual out-of-game cash has to change hands. ISK is not an option (well… not within the realm of the EULA at least).
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I can also look in the Apparel section of the market and buy NEX items with isk.
…assuming someone has bought one with a PLEX. Again: without PLEX, no NeX items, and as mentioned, that can't happen to begin with without cash being forked over.

Neither PLEX nor NeX items can be made from inside the game, regardless of how huge a pile of ISK, or how many aeons of time you have — they require out-of-game cash to be expended. At least PLEX are economy neutral — NeX items, on the other hand, are not.

So… Everything else in the game can be had by plunking down ISK, some raw materials and a bit of time. PLEX cannot: they can only be had if someone spends cash. Likewise, NeX items cannot: they can only be had if someone expends a PLEX.

In fact, let's just repost this one — it's been a while.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.29 13:50:00 - [67]
 

a)
Originally by: Trixie Stardust
I think that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in my life.
This is because you didn't read much in your life yet.

b)
Quote:
First of all, most Eve subscribers don't wear $1,000 boutique Japanese jeans. This is so ludicrous words defy me..
Learn to understand what an analogy is. No one was implying that the players are wearing 1000$ jeans.

c) Not going to read the rest of your post, if it starts like this it can't be good.

d) Your t-shirt looks ugly, the big boobs don't change that.

e) Stop beating a dead horse.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.29 13:58:00 - [68]
 

Just consider yourself lucky you weren't here to witness CCP's internal meltdown into insanity in real time like most of us forum lurkers were. It was ugly, very ugly.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.29 14:13:00 - [69]
 

NO $1000 Dollar Jeans on the NEX.
Most expensive item on the NEX is 12,000 AUR

So ISK to Plex // Plex to AUR

So for fun (based on a 360 Mill ISK per plex.

Carriers - AUR 7,000 // 720 Mill ISK // $30.00
Dreads - AUR 14,000 // 1.4 Bill ISK // $60.00
Jump Freighter - AUR 45,500 // 4.6 Bill ISK // $195.00
Super Carrier - AUR 98,000 // 10 Bill ISK // $420.00
Titan - AUR 294,000 // 30.2 Bill ISK // $1,260.00

Personally I would rather have a T-shirt with my favorite ship on it that sells for the value of the ship itself.

Wouldn't it be a kick in the face to wear a Titan shirt around.
Although I would go for the NYX myself but either way LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing





Mordenn G'Kar
Posted - 2011.08.29 14:36:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 14:10:00
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
I dont wish to annoy you, but I can buy PLEX with isk.
No, you can't. You can trade ISK for a PLEX that some other player has bought with cash. To get that PLEX to begin with, actual out-of-game cash has to change hands. ISK is not an option (well… not within the realm of the EULA at least).
Quote:
I can also look in the Apparel section of the market and buy NEX items with isk.
…assuming someone has bought one with a PLEX. Again: without PLEX, no NeX items, and as mentioned, that can't happen to begin with without cash being forked over.

Neither PLEX nor NeX items can be made from inside the game, regardless of how huge a pile of ISK, or how many aeons of time you have — they require out-of-game cash to be expended. At least PLEX are economy neutral — NeX items, on the other hand, are not.

So… Everything else in the game can be had by plunking down ISK, some raw materials and a bit of time. PLEX cannot: they can only be had if someone spends cash. Likewise, NeX items cannot: they can only be had if someone expends a PLEX.

In fact, let's just repost this one — it's been a while.
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Cant see the image, I have them disabled.

And there is nothing there that says I cannot buy everything with isk. If others choose to spend RL money on a game, that is not my concern. They make it possible for me to invest, and profit in game, without paying any money in real life.

Besides, you said I could not buy NEX items with isk. I have provided you with the method of how you can. As I said, what others do is no concern of mine. If they didnt put them up for sale, then you would be correct, but we know thats not how it works in a free-market economy.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.08.29 15:05:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Simetraz on 29/08/2011 15:26:01

Tippia is right from a technical stand point that NEX items have to come from RL cash.

Someone has to buy the PLEX's.

However right now I just did a quick count.
There are 455 PLEX's for sale in the Forge, or $6,825.00 in PLEX's already on the market.
And if you look at the Sales of PLEX you are looking at over 1000 are traded every day.
IF 80 % of them are resales then 200 Plex's a day are bought.
That means people are buying ISK at a tune of $3000.00 a day.

People have ALREADY spent the RL Cash and now they want ISK.


It all starts with the PLEX and clearly people want to buy ISK and are willing to spend RL cash to get it.
And lets face it, BOTTING and ISK farmers are still in game so people are spending RL cash for the illegal method as well.

So getting upset over the NEX is well rather laughable.
CCP is just providing a method for the people buying ISK to get it faster.
Now you can sell a PLEX to someone who wants to extend game time and also sell a PLEX to someone who wants something from the NEX.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.29 15:19:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 29/08/2011 15:19:49
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Cant see the image, I have them disabled.

And there is nothing there that says I cannot buy everything with isk.
Then maybe you should enable them…
Quote:
If others choose to spend RL money on a game, that is not my concern.
It is, because that is what makes these things appear in the game. ISK does not. No amount of ISK will do that.
Quote:
Besides, you said I could not buy NEX items with isk.
Because you can't. You need AUR for that, which is just a one-way method of exercising the call option a PLEX provides. Again, no amount of ISK can be poured into the NeX to make it spit out the items you want.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.08.29 15:20:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Bklyn 1
What upsets me is that we are paying CCP to playtest new software and pricing models for an upcoming, different game.
No. You are not paying CCP to test anything. You pay CCP to play the already available game. When you pay CCP you aren't investing on their future products or your future, for that matter. Your payment is NOT an investment. Your payment is for a present service that you can either accept or choose to discontinue.

Should you choose to pay them, you need to realize that it is no longer in ANY WAY your money demand how they spend it.




Incorrect. They add this stuff into the game for the purpose of testing it and, hopefully to squeeze some more money out of this IP. Sure, people can quit over it. Many have. I never said it is an investment and I'm not demanding they spend my money in any particular way as you claim. I'm pointing out what is essentially a dishonest business model. Whether a person chooses to stop paying because of it is their decision, but let's be honest about what CCP are doing here.

Trixie Stardust
Posted - 2011.08.29 17:58:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 18:38:42
Edited by: Trixie Stardust on 29/08/2011 18:38:12
EDIT: I wrote a long reply to someone, but I'm deleting it. I'm being too verbose in my posts.

Bottom line..

The cash shop prices are too high. The monocle should be like 300 mil isk, maybe 500 mil tops. All the other clothes need to be like $5, whatever that works out to.

YARRRR!!


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