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katie mccombe
Posted - 2011.08.26 19:38:00 - [1]
 

hi i want to be a mission blitzer [ie. loyalty points, bounties]

i dont care about salvaging or looting wrecks

i just want to blitz lots of missions in short times [quickly]

so could someone give me the best path to achieve this, what ships should i use from beginning to end?

like from frigate > destroyer > cruiser ... and so on.

[ps. my preference is for ships that can handle all types of missions in eve space and any opponent, without me having to refit / customize my mods for each npc faction]

thanks

Alua Oresson
V I R I I
Posted - 2011.08.26 19:44:00 - [2]
 

If you are looking for the best all arounder for missioning I would say that the Kestrel>Caracal>Drake>Raven>CNR route is about the most common and easy. You could also run with a drone setup with going into a Dominix eventually. It mostly depends on what you are wanting to do. If efficency over a large spectrum is your deal then either the missile or drone setups would be best. If you want to specialize then there are ships that can do certain factions better and there are ships that can do certain missions faster (Recon series of mission). It all depends on what exactly you want to do.

I would suggest that you also look into what you want to do with the money you get from missioning. Anything from getting more specialized in mission running or funding PVP is within your grasp. That can also influence what you train for in missioning though.

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.26 19:46:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Jak Silverheart on 26/08/2011 19:49:57
A general straight forward path for blitzing using Caldari ships would be this I imagine.

Kestrel-Caracal-Drake-Tengu

Last 3 have the benefit of using the same weapons for damage, the HML if your using HAMs in PVE your doing it wrong.

For straight lv4 blitzing there are better, but they are a bit more skill intensive such as the Machial (probably mispelled badly) and there was one other which I heard was pretty much on par I want to say it was the Nightmare but I am not certain and don't take my word on it. Both are pirate ships and require BS skills from 2 different factions.

My advice is go with the above since you wanted it from the start to finish on what to use, that would be my recomendation from frigate on up. As an added bounus the Tengu doesn't require that many SP to use and it only gets better with the better your skills are. Not to mention you will be using the same skills you trained previously so there is very little wasted SP.

Edited in:
The Raven-CNR route is also more than respectable if you want to go the BS route. I just have a preference to use sub BS ships, but both routes are quite good in my opinion.

Xyrdiana
Posted - 2011.08.26 19:46:00 - [4]
 

tengu

nothing more or less to say, it covers it all

Nikita LaFem
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:17:00 - [5]
 

What she said ^^.

The Tengu has made missioning kinda boaring.

Arazel Chainfire
The Awakened Armada
Apex United
Posted - 2011.08.27 12:14:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Nikita LaFem
What she said ^^.

The Tengu has made missioning kinda boaring.


Trust me, mission running was boring even before the tengu came out.

To the OP, I too would recommend kestral-caracal-drake-tengu route. It wastes the least number of skillpoints on unnecessary skills, you basically have to train up caldari frigate to 4, light missile to 3, and battlecruiser to 2 for skills that aren't applicable to the tengu. Everything else, shield, engineering, heavy missile, caldari cruiser 5, etc. is all directly applicable to then tengu training. For a scratch made character, you would probably spend less than a week in the kestral (only enough to get you to lvl 2's), then switch on over to the caracal as soon as you have the isk, then the drake as soon as you have the isk for that. After that, you stay in the drake till you have all the skills needed for the tengu, and by that point you will probably have the isk to buy one if you have been saving that isk up.

Just be aware - this path works for getting LP, but not so well for shooting everything in the mission. If you are thinking blitzing as popping the triggers and moving on, you are doing it correct. If you are thinking blitzing as killing everything on the field as fast as possible, with your gank as your tank, you need to find another ship, such as the macharial or nightmare.

-Arazel

MarkyJ
Posted - 2011.08.27 13:28:00 - [7]
 

I'm not surprised everyone's only mentioned caldari ships so far but if you're looking for something else:
Minmatar path: Rifter/Thrasher>>>Rupture>>>Hurricane>>>Maelstrom>>>Macharial

It's likely this won't make you the isk/hour of the caldari line up and it's in most areas more...active (you can't just sit there doing Ctrl+click, F1) but if you're not one for missiles then this works. If and when you get bored of mission running I gather that minmatar ships are also very good PvP ships, arguably better than caldari in many situations.

Also, you may want to look at the terminology you're using. Technically a Blitzer is someone who kills only the mission completion triggers then warps out (ie. if you mission is to kill target A then you kill target A and run). Running missions for bounties requires you kill everything (ie. if you mission is to kill target A then you kill target A and then stay to kill everything else on-grid with a bounty attached). First way maximises loyalty points, second way maximises bounties.

katie mccombe
Posted - 2011.08.27 17:50:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: katie mccombe on 27/08/2011 17:52:03

Originally by: Arazel Chainfire


Just be aware - this path works for getting LP, but not so well for shooting everything in the mission. If you are thinking blitzing as popping the triggers and moving on, you are doing it correct. If you are thinking blitzing as killing everything on the field as fast as possible, with your gank as your tank, you need to find another ship, such as the macharial or nightmare.

-Arazel


ok tengu it is.

but i mean how do i blitz exactly ? i dont need to kill 'everything' as fast as possible for bounties and loyalty points right ?

are there any good guides to mission blitzing you can point me to ? like to help a noob learn Razz

i basically just want to make as much isk / hour [and lp] as quickly as possible [without looting and salvaging] so how do i do that ?

BearJews
Posted - 2011.08.27 18:28:00 - [9]
 

go to eve-survival.org (or come don't remember) and it has a guide for every mission. IT tells you how to blitz if you want, how to mitigate incoming dps, how much in bounties, and even how much you can mine in each mission. It's your go to for everything.


Tengu with HAMS isn't BAD, just depends on the mission really. For damsel in distress with hams. Doing 900 DPS while standing still is really damn awesome in a HAM tengu. I'd recommend getting HAMS and HML because they translate well into drake, cerebrus, tengu usage. Lots of different loadouts out there using both Turrets. HMLs being more popular cause the range is awesome, and hams on drakes are pretty damn awesome. You can get upward of 700 dps or so with a HAM drake in Pvp from what i've seen.

Good luck. I also wouldn't necessarily train caldari if you don't want to. BUt the tengu is the overall best PvE ship out there and once you get your character going you can turn that ship into a MEGA tanker for plexes and wormholes. Good luck

Arazel Chainfire
The Awakened Armada
Apex United
Posted - 2011.08.27 18:49:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Arazel Chainfire on 27/08/2011 18:50:12
There are 3 distinct styles to running missions.

Style 1: afk. If you do this, you want a dominix or a rattlesnake. The idea here is to maximize isk/effort, so you send the ship in, get full room aggro, release drones, and walk away. Come back later to a finished mission. Generally used by people who get constant interruptions, like people playing from work, with small children, etc. Note, least time efficient, but it works nicely as a screensaver in your background and you can make small amounts of isk doing it.

Style 2: Blow em up. The idea here is to kill absolutely anything and everything. There will not be 1 ship left standing when you are done. If you have poor LP payout rewards, or are just too lazy to do your research about them, this is the way to go. The majority of your isk will come from blowing up NPC battleships, and if you are into it, looting/salvaging. The best ships here are the nightmare/macharial/CNR for the straight up blowing stuff up line, and the paladin/golem/vargur for the looting while blowing stuff up line. You can argue which one makes more isk, but generally it comes down to whether or not you want to put forth the effort to salvage. This is the most common method of mission running in highsec, and also what many people mean by blitz.

Style 3: Blitz. The idea here is to come in, shoot the minimum amount of stuff, and get out. The idea isn't to make money by killing everything, it is to make money by running more missions. Here the leader is without a doubt the tengu, due to its ability to hit pretty much anything from anywhere, pop its target, and get from point a to point b the fastest. This is the primary way of running missions in lowsec/nullsec, because it minimizes your exposure to unsavory types, like pirates, and allows you to make the most LP. It is also effective in highsec as well, but the one big thing that you are going to have to remember is to maximize your isk/LP. This is also generally the highest form of isk/hour in the game when looking at mission running, but you have to be fast, and you have to really focus on that isk/LP conversion to make it worth it. Look up each mission in Eve-Survival before accepting it to check how to blitz it. This method also requires the greatest ability to turn missions down.

When you stated blitz, I was assuming style 3. In which case you can't beat the kestral-caracal-drake-tengu line for the fastest way to get to your objective. If however you were more inclined towards style 2 (which I think works better if you are in highsec) then you want to decide which space and which race you want to go with. You can go missiles with kestral-caracal-drake-raven-CNR/Golem, autocannons with rifter/thrasher-rupture-hurricane-maelstrom-vargur/macharial, or lasers with coercer-maller-harbinger-apocalypse-abaddon/paladin/nightmare. If you are flying mostly against kinetic weak/longrange enemies, the missile route is probably the best. Against explosive/thermal weak, the autocannon route is the best. Against EM/Thermal, the laser route is probably the best. If you have no idea what you are going to be regularly flying against, then you are going to want autocannons or missiles.

Lastly, you want to look at what this character is going to do aside from making isk from running missions. Do you want to eventually go to WH space, or run incursions, or move to lowsec/nullsec? Do you want to PvP, and if so, what type of PvP? Once you have figured out what you want to do in the end with all that isk, then you might want to look closer at which race's ships to use.

-Arazel

tofucake prime
The Hatchery
Posted - 2011.08.27 21:27:00 - [11]
 

Rifter -> Thrasher -> Cane -> Maelstrom -> Machariel

Mach is king of blitz

The Pteradactyl
Posted - 2011.08.27 22:23:00 - [12]
 

If all you want is ISK/LP just do incursions. Missions are a joke in comparison.

Daniel Plain
Posted - 2011.08.28 01:58:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: The Pteradactyl
If all you want is ISK/LP just do incursions. Missions are a joke in comparison.


this. if you really only want to make big $$ as fast as possible, you should read up on WTF incursions are about and how you do them effectively. no need to fly around doing missions, especially not for several factions.

if you do insist on missioning, you should follow the advice and get into a tengu. it does take about a month or so to get all the skills but most of them will already benefit you as soon as you sit in a drake.

if you do insist on doing missions for everybody and their mother, you should go the minmatar way towards machariel or, if you do not like big ships, a loki.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2011.08.28 03:01:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Daniel Plain
this. if you really only want to make big $$ as fast as possible, you should read up on WTF incursions are about and how you do them effectively. no need to fly around doing missions, especially not for several factions.

if you do insist on missioning, you should follow the advice and get into a tengu. it does take about a month or so to get all the skills but most of them will already benefit you as soon as you sit in a drake.

if you do insist on doing missions for everybody and their mother, you should go the minmatar way towards machariel or, if you do not like big ships, a Sleipnir.


Fixed that. Otherwise, yes.

Hiroshima Jita
Posted - 2011.08.28 04:00:00 - [15]
 

Kestrel -> Caracal -> Drake -> Tengu
Rifter -> Rupture -> Hurricane -> Maelstrom -> Machariel
Kestrel -> Caracal -> Drake -> Raven -> Raven NI/Golem
Tristan -> Vexor -> Myrmidon -> Domi -> Rattlesnake

The top being best at blitzing and the bottom being best at AFK running.

Now if you want to do incursions I understand that Blaster BS actually have a decent niche there.

Tristan -> Thorax -> Brutix -> Megathron
+training to Minmatar BS
-> Vindicator

But I don't have a real clue about incursions so I could be wrong.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.28 14:06:00 - [16]
 

Quote:
Rifter/Thrasher>>>Rupture>>>Hurricane>>>Maelstrom>>>Macharial


At all 5's a Tengu can't compete with a Mach in most missions TBH. I fly both and the answer is...

There's no best ship for every mission. Mach is tied for king with Nightmare, and everything else is slightly slower. Tengu is certainly faster blitzing some missions.

I couldn't live without being cross trained cadari/minmatar. If I had to stick with one or the other, I might die of boredom.

katie mccombe
Posted - 2011.08.28 14:28:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: katie mccombe on 28/08/2011 14:43:32

Quote:
If all you want is ISK/LP just do incursions. Missions are a joke in comparison.


ok so which ship is best for blitzing incursions then ?

and anyone know any good guides on how to do incursions plzzz ? Razz

tofucake prime
The Hatchery
Posted - 2011.08.28 15:16:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: katie mccombe
Edited by: katie mccombe on 28/08/2011 14:43:32

Quote:
If all you want is ISK/LP just do incursions. Missions are a joke in comparison.


ok so which ship is best for blitzing incursions then ?

and anyone know any good guides on how to do incursions plzzz ? Razz
7 Nightmares and 3 Basilisks.

Zenith Intaki
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2011.08.28 20:28:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: tofucake prime
Originally by: katie mccombe
Edited by: katie mccombe on 28/08/2011 14:43:32

Quote:
If all you want is ISK/LP just do incursions. Missions are a joke in comparison.


ok so which ship is best for blitzing incursions then ?

and anyone know any good guides on how to do incursions plzzz ? Razz
7 Nightmares and 3 Basilisks.
Switch those nightmares into shield tanked paladins.

Captain Nares
Posted - 2011.08.28 22:26:00 - [20]
 

Tengu > Mach. Have both.

Aamrr
Posted - 2011.08.28 22:48:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Zenith Intaki
Switch those nightmares into shield tanked paladins.


Paladins are great incursion ships. Just...not shield tanked. There is no reason to shield tank them. Please do not shield tank them.

Please.

Sunviking
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:09:00 - [22]
 

Hi,

On a individual mission basis, you are probably best using a faction/t2 battleship.

But if you chain-run multiple missions at once from many agents, then ship speed and align-time become big factors in mission completion time as you move system to system to complete those missions. The best ship for this will be the Tengu. And since the agent quality changes, absolutely everybody should be chain-running missions.

Arazel Chainfire
The Awakened Armada
Apex United
Posted - 2011.08.31 22:38:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: katie mccombe
Edited by: katie mccombe on 28/08/2011 14:43:32

Quote:
If all you want is ISK/LP just do incursions. Missions are a joke in comparison.


ok so which ship is best for blitzing incursions then ?

and anyone know any good guides on how to do incursions plzzz ? Razz

http://incursionguide.wordpress.com/

Note, you are going to have to make a name for yourself to get in on the blitz fleets. The way you make a name for yourself is by running sites. Do not expect to go in as a complete nub and get into the 100+mil isk/hr sites on your first run. But if you work at it you can end up joining up with the groups of people who do run sites like that.

As for ships, the fastest one to get into, and the most flexible is a logistics ship. Guardian, basilisk, scimitar, onerios, they all work, and different FC's have different preferences. I was a shield FC for a while and I always preferred the scimitar. Others prefer the basilisk. Any way you do it, as long as you are a competent pilot you can get into one of the blitz fleets. If you are constitutionally incapable of flying a logistics ship though, the best bet is to fly a pirate faction battleship with full t2 skills (mach/nightmare/vindicator), or some of the better small ships (slepnir/loki/legion/absolution). Just don't go missiles for incursions, and I don't really recommend blasters unless you are dead set on the vindicator.

-Arazel

Mathias Orsen
Posted - 2011.09.01 19:30:00 - [24]
 

My Mach. nothing else even comes close.

Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Posted - 2011.09.02 14:10:00 - [25]
 

Arazel, I'm not really sure I agree about the blasters. In vanguards, a Megathron has roughly the same effective dps as a maelstrom, though it very much depends on the size of the target and the ammo used. The mega is easier to get consistent damage from, though. It IS a bit light on tank (assuming shield fleet), but it's still enough to survive comfortably, and moving to a navy mega will completely eliminate the issue, and may even allow for a web, depending on how well you trust your logis.

Hyperion is also a valid choice, but the lack the mega's tracking bonus tends to hurt it. Same for the rokh.

The abaddon typically puts them all to shame, though....


 

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