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Oupy
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:29:00 - [1]
 

Hi all

Have had a few attempts and getting into eve and have taken the plunge from many trials and started a subscription. I have been playing for about 3 weeks and i'm really enjoy the concept of the game but feel lost as to where i am going and what i can be doing. I have done all the tutorials, and have began the Epic arc story missions. I think ultimately i would like to have some kind of pvp involvement but this seems far away as i dont really know where to start or how to approach this.

I have applied to a corp, for which i am currently waiting for an interview, As i know that is what most people recommended doing. Its hard to explain but to me everything feels clunky at the moment. When fitting my ship, to get decent prices i have to buy things from different areas, then try and go around collecting them which is not really enjoyable. Then if and when i die i have to repeat this process which adds makes me cringe thinking about loosing my ship. I have things left at all different stations, due to being directed elsewhere for story quests, is there a place where i should be able to consolidate all my things? This leads onto the next issue, when i upgrade to a new ship, the old one just get left at a station. I know that i can repackage and sell, but i have it fit to my liking and dont want to do the parts run around again everytime i'm sent to another station.

Another thing that i dont really understand is that is how actual space is configured. Are the only areas you can go to the stations, asteroids etc listed in the overview? Or can you warp to anywhere in empy space? Also exploration interests me, but i dont really know have to have all the slots to be able to fight, hack salvage etc in one ship? Or what type of ship would be adequate for the job?

As said before i have been doing the epic mission arc and some L1 missions for Gallente Navy, i dont really know for how long i am meant to be doing this as the money is not great and is becoming quite dull.

And finally how hard is it to be pod killed? I guess this scares me also, i'd like to just go into some low sec areas in a frigate and have a look around, if i did get jumped would i likely be able to escape in my pod?

Anyway i hope this didnt come off as too whiney, i've read so much info on this game but still feel lost, im sure some of the answers to my questions are easy fixes. I do like the game, i just feel some things that are probably easy to fix are holding back my enjoyment.

Cheers

PS: all this forum banter about the game dying and people raging at the devoloper isnt too comforting either, is this something that as a new player i should be concerned about?

Kasper Elbo
Caldari
Pods On Fire
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.26 16:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Kasper Elbo on 26/08/2011 16:14:45
Edited by: Kasper Elbo on 26/08/2011 16:05:38
Hi,

I think most players have been where you are now at some point, not knowing what to do get to the next step.

Joining a player corporation is like you say the best thing to do know. In a player corporation you can get the help you need to understand the more advanced concepts of the game. In a player run corporation it will also give you the posibility to run missions with your corp mates so that you can get over the easy and low profit lvl1-3 missions faster and get you in to a ship that can be used to make some decent money.

Regarding the whole pvp thing, I think that theres only one thing to do and that is to buy some cheap ships and then just go to lowsec and try your luck out there.
You will probably lose a lot in the beginning but eve is a learing by doing game and you will only be able to master pvp if you do it the hard way.
An alternative option would be to join RvB or FW although I would suggest that you stay out of FW in the beginning.

One thing to make sure to do is that when you know you are about to be blown up. select a celestial object and spam warp, then your pod will warp the second your ship explodes. In that way it will be nearly impossible to pod you except if your opponent is using smartbombs.

Regarding space and the places you can go, you can only warp directly to celestials like stations and gates and so on.. You cant select a point in space and simply warp there. What you can do is making a bookmark when you are warping between two celestials. Then you will be able to warp to the bookmark (safespot)afterwards.

About the whole EVE is dying thing. I dont think you should think so much about it as a new player. I think you instead should try to get familiar with the different aspects of the game and then make your own conclusions about whether you like the way the game is developing or not.

If you have any further questions just convo me in game (I will be online today between 1800-? EVE time)

gfldex
Posted - 2011.08.26 16:17:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: gfldex on 26/08/2011 16:18:05
Originally by: Oupy
This leads onto the next issue, when i upgrade to a new ship, the old one just get left at a station.


I wonder what those shuttle thingies are fore. You can't really do anything with'em, can you?

Originally by: Oupy

PS: all this forum banter about the game dying and people raging at the devoloper isnt too comforting either, is this something that as a new player i should be concerned about?


The game ain't dieing, it's just a little stagnant right now. Most of the whiny doomsayers are botters that got their botting backbone banned (CCP did jack all about cheaters for years). CCP did make mistakes, the most dominant is to try to fix internet spaceship lackment with marketing burps. I think they paniced enough to get back on track now.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.08.26 16:20:00 - [4]
 

holy cow, so many questions here. The previous reply was already pretty good, but I will confirm/expand on some of the points.

If you ultimately want pvp involvement, start doing combat missions now, as they are a good way to make isk while at the same time train similar skills needed for pvp.

Finding a good corp is KEY. Make sure you like where you are at and DO NOT HESITATE to move to another corp if you are getting a bad feeling.

There are better ways to hual your stuff around. A lot of people run the mission, hop into a salvaging ship (large cargo, seperate fittings) before turning the mission in and slavage everything. Some people do this simultaneously with two accounts. Don't do this while on lvl 1's, and lvl 2's are barely worth it (gets better lvl 3 and up). When you get in a corp have a good long discussion about ways to make isk and have fun.

As far as reshipping. There are a few main traiding hubs in the game which are for a little bit more, one stop shopping. Jita is the largest, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens and others are out there. When in doubt, go to jita. BEWARE OF SCAMS.

The places on the overview are places you can easily warp to. However, bookmarks are what you are looking for. At anytime you can either bookmark an object (like a wreck) or you can bookmark you current location by using the 'People and Places' -> 'Places' tab and at the bottom is bookmark (bm). You can do this midwarp (which people use to make hard to find spots) or while just sitting there. The bm will not be made until you click the OK button in the naming window for the bm (try it out a few times, you'll see what i mean).

A single ship CAN do exploration, ppl usualy do them in crusiers at your stage in the game.

Missions do get boring, luckily they are not hte only source of income.

It is hard to get killed in your pod unless the security of the system is below 0.1. In high sec, NPC's will never shoot your pod. Getting podded in high sec is rare, happens mostly at trade hubs. Getting podded in low sec is hard, but if you are not spamming warp before you die there is a good chance you will get podded. In null sec don't even go down there with implants or without and upgraded clone. You, in all probablility, will get podded.

Less that 5% of the player base posts on the forums, and if you look at the backlogs of posting you will see that eve has been dying since 2004. Its not, but ppl love to flame on the forums, especially general discussion/crime and punishment.

Get into a good corp, it will be much much better afterwords.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:23:00 - [5]
 

EVE is only as much fun as the people you choose to associate with.

Join a corp. Make some friends (and enemies). Blow stuff up. Get blown up. Laugh. Joke. Then do it all again Very Happy

OilSlick Rick
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.26 19:12:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Oupy
Hi all

Have had a few attempts and getting into eve and have taken the plunge from many trials and started a subscription. I have been playing for about 3 weeks I paid for no less than a month to get a better feel and i'm really enjoy the concept of the game but feel lost as to where i am going and what i can be doing. There is much to do in Eve; read the wiki. There are guides for professions, etc. I have done all the tutorials, and have began the Epic arc story missions. I think ultimately i would like to have some kind of pvp involvement but this seems far away as i dont really know where to start or how to approach this. Search the forums using Eve Search until the new forums, that will hopefully be better, come online. There was a post I wish I had the bookmark to where some new player wrote a guide to rookies in low (null?) sec. Basically get a cheap t1 frigate, read guides, and pvp. It is cheaper to learn with low sp players and t1 ships that are fully insured than "waiting until I get better".

I have applied to a corp, for which i am currently waiting for an interview, As i know that is what most people recommended doing. Its hard to explain but to me everything feels clunky at the moment. When fitting my ship, to get decent prices i have to buy things from different areas, Unless you buy from the market hubs in each region (Dodixie, Rens, Jita, Heimatar?, Oursulaert...) then try and go around collecting them which is not really enjoyable. You can put courier contracts up for other people to bring them to your main station, but pay them well enough per jump that it is worth it. Then if and when i die i have to repeat this process which adds makes me cringe thinking about loosing my ship. Are you platinum insuring it? Are you not using anything you can not afford to lose at least twice over? I have things left at all different stations, due to being directed elsewhere for story quests, is there a place where i should be able to consolidate all my things? This leads onto the next issue, when i upgrade to a new ship, the old one just get left at a station. I know that i can repackage and sell, but i have it fit to my liking and dont want to do the parts run around again everytime i'm sent to another station. See above if you want to keep your ships.

Another thing that i dont really understand is that is how actual space is configured. Are the only areas you can go to the stations, asteroids etc listed in the overview? Or can you warp to anywhere in empy space? Also exploration interests me, but i dont really know have to have all the slots to be able to fight, hack salvage etc in one ship? Or what type of ship would be adequate for the job? Many just use an exploration cov ops ship, bm the sites, then go back in a combat ship for the mag/radar/ded/etc sites.

As said before i have been doing the epic mission arc and some L1 missions for Gallente Navy, i dont really know for how long i am meant to be doing this as the money is not great and is becoming quite dull. The lower the sec of system the greater mission pay is.



OilSlick Rick
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.26 19:16:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Oupy
And finally how hard is it to be pod killed? I guess this scares me also, i'd like to just go into some low sec areas in a frigate and have a look around, if i did get jumped would i likely be able to escape in my pod? The only way you die is by lag slowing your warp away (or you not clicking fast enough), or a very fast locking tackler targets you before you can warp away. Why be scared when you are a new player with a CHEAP medical clone and cheap, if any, implants?


Anyway i hope this didnt come off as too whiney, i've read so much info on this game but still feel lost, im sure some of the answers to my questions are easy fixes. I do like the game, i just feel some things that are probably easy to fix are holding back my enjoyment.

Cheers

PS: all this forum banter about the game dying and people raging at the devoloper isnt too comforting either, is this something that as a new player i should be concerned about?

The majority of forum users are a super minority of those that actually play the game. This game has the most immature people on a forum from LoTRO to both EverQuests I have played. They whine so much and seem to have the most horrid skills in reading comprehension (referring back to the stupid internal newsletter rage several weeks ago).

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.08.26 20:56:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: ShahFluffers on 26/08/2011 21:31:14
Originally by: Oupy
I think ultimately i would like to have some kind of pvp involvement but this seems far away as i dont really know where to start or how to approach this.



Train up to use a Microwarpdrive, a Warp Disruptor, and the frigate (and its respective weapons) of your choice. That is all you need to start PVPing.
I won't lie though... you WILL die... a lot. But don't be discouraged. Each time you engage and die, watch how the other player moves, when he/she activates the weapons, figure out what those colorful effects are (they are not purely cosmetic, they probably mean he/she is doing something to you).

Originally by: Oupy

I have applied to a corp, for which i am currently waiting for an interview, As i know that is what most people recommended doing.



Very good. But take your entry into a corp with a grain of salt. Many corps are not all that good (for one reason or another) and if you can't get SOMETHING out of being in that one (be it actual ISK, free-ish ships/modules, information, training, etc.) then you had best look elsewhere.

Originally by: Oupy

Its hard to explain but to me everything feels clunky at the moment. When fitting my ship, to get decent prices i have to buy things from different areas, then try and go around collecting them which is not really enjoyable.



Try finding the "trade hub" for your area. You can usually figure this out by looking to see where the most "buy" and "sell" orders are on the market. Just click an item you want and look through the list.
Note: Mind you, "trade hubs" don't always have the "best" prices in an area... but they are generally preferred as it's a "one stop" shopping expedition.

Originally by: Oupy

I have things left at all different stations, due to being directed elsewhere for story quests, is there a place where i should be able to consolidate all my things?



Train up to use an industrial ship. With some cargo expander modules in the low slots you should be able to move stuff around on your own. If you can't do this, try making a "Courier Contract" to your location. Some player will eventually pick it up (just remember to place the collateral as high as what you paid for those items).

[continued]

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:30:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Oupy

This leads onto the next issue, when i upgrade to a new ship, the old one just get left at a station. I know that i can repackage and sell, but i have it fit to my liking and dont want to do the parts run around again everytime i'm sent to another station.



Did you know that if you right click your ship and select "Leave Ship" you can actually fly your pod around? Doing this allows you to leave a ship in one place and retrieve another from a different location. However, this is a horribly ineffective solution to moving ships around (especially small ones like frigates, destroyers and cruisers). The better solution is to just repackage everything.

Note: don't get comfortable with fitting you ship just "one way." "Tinkering" with your ship's fittings should be an almost daily exercise as you never know what kind of situation you'll be running into.
The way around this is to have multiple ships of the same type with different fittings that have different "jobs" (but this requires a bit of ISK).

Originally by: Oupy

Another thing that i dont really understand is that is how actual space is configured. Are the only areas you can go to the stations, asteroids etc listed in the overview? Or can you warp to anywhere in empy space?



So yeah... you can only really warp to 4 types of "things"...

- "celestial objects" like planets, stargates, 'roid belts, etc.
- "objects" you have scanned down 100% using probes
- other players that are fleeted with you and at a distance greater than 150km
- locations that you have "bookmarked" (i.e. you have already been there before and "saved" the location)

Originally by: Oupy

Also exploration interests me, but i dont really know have to have all the slots to be able to fight, hack salvage etc in one ship? Or what type of ship would be adequate for the job?



A reoccurring theme in EVE is that no one person/ship can "do it all" at the same time. You have ships that are absolutely perfect for probing, scanning, hacking, and salvaging... but they can barely put out any semblance of damage (or take any for that matter).
Then there are ships that can put out a fair bit of damage, but they must either sacrifice their damage-dealing or damage-absorbing abilities in order to probe/hack/salvage stuff.

This is one reason why it is recommended to have multiple ships of various types... with one you focus on finding stuff, then go back and bring the "damage-dealer."
One way around this though is to have other players by your side. One guy focuses on "exploration" while the other focuses on being "the muscle."

Originally by: Oupy

As said before i have been doing the epic mission arc and some L1 missions for Gallente Navy, i dont really know for how long i am meant to be doing this as the money is not great and is becoming quite dull.



Finish the Epic Arc. It'll give you enough ISK to buy and fit your first cruiser hull (which is a big step up for most newbies).

After you have done that, train up your "Social skills." These will gain you standings faster in the missions you accept and complete... and higher standings mean that you can advance to higher level agents. Higher missions are generally more challenging (pffft... it's basically shoot and kill tougher NPCs) and give out higher rewards.

Originally by: Oupy

And finally how hard is it to be pod killed? I guess this scares me also, i'd like to just go into some low sec areas in a frigate and have a look around, if i did get jumped would i likely be able to escape in my pod?



If you are fast at selecting an object to warp to (doesn't matter what it is) and spam the warp button (and have no lag)... yes, there is a very good chance of escape. But since you are a newbie, you'll probably freeze up from the shock of your ship's death (as I did).
Just remember to keep your clone updated. Outside of paying a bit of ISK to re-update your clone (and losing your implants) there is no penalty for losing your pod.

Oupy
Posted - 2011.08.28 13:49:00 - [10]
 

Thank you to all who replied.

The answers have been very helpful and i am most appreciative :)


 

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