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Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:49:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Bootleg Jack
I like MT and the CQ, I have 4 accounts, +4 for MT, can't wait for the station door to open.





this is why WE fail.

Jones Bones
Burning Napalm
Posted - 2011.08.30 16:50:00 - [122]
 

I'm Jones Bones and I approve of NEX and MT.

Vous mad?

Vana Dell
Caldari
A Big Enough Lever
Numquam Ambulare Solus
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:00:00 - [123]
 

I realize I'm an EvE newbie here, but I fail to see how the plex store or aurum is an issue here. Don't like it? Don't use it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

My personal beef with it? It provides proof of what I knew since 2006. Player driven economies fail.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:04:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Vana Dell
I realize I'm an EvE newbie here, but I fail to see how the plex store or aurum is an issue here. Don't like it? Don't use it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

My personal beef with it? It provides proof of what I knew since 2006. Player driven economies fail.


do believe the issue is pay to win.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:08:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Vana Dell
I realize I'm an EvE newbie here, but I fail to see how the plex store or aurum is an issue here. Don't like it? Don't use it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

My personal beef with it? It provides proof of what I knew since 2006. Player driven economies fail.


do believe the issue is pay to win.


How are clothing items pay to win?

How are paint jobs on ships pay to win?

How are items resold on the open market for ISK pay to win?

If you are referring to items that offer in game advantages, that cannot be resold for ISK, we have no evidence of this... merely baseless speculation.

Vana Dell
Caldari
A Big Enough Lever
Numquam Ambulare Solus
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:14:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Vana Dell
I realize I'm an EvE newbie here, but I fail to see how the plex store or aurum is an issue here. Don't like it? Don't use it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

My personal beef with it? It provides proof of what I knew since 2006. Player driven economies fail.


do believe the issue is pay to win.

How is getting an ugly little monocle that would look right at home in Morrowind that provides absolutely no stats beyond making the person wearing it look stupid 'paying to win'?

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:16:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 30/08/2011 17:17:49
Originally by: Vana Dell
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Vana Dell
I realize I'm an EvE newbie here, but I fail to see how the plex store or aurum is an issue here. Don't like it? Don't use it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

My personal beef with it? It provides proof of what I knew since 2006. Player driven economies fail.


do believe the issue is pay to win.

How is getting an ugly little monocle that would look right at home in Morrowind that provides absolutely no stats beyond making the person wearing it look stupid 'paying to win'?


Originally by: Ranger 1


How are clothing items pay to win?

How are paint jobs on ships pay to win?

How are items resold on the open market for ISK pay to win?

If you are referring to items that offer in game advantages, that cannot be resold for ISK, we have no evidence of this... merely baseless speculation.



You never saw the original memo that ****ed everyone off huh? Where they were talkin about selling ships an gold ammo an T3 stuff in there? And them saying "Oh dear we've upset you, we PROMISE we'll NEVER do that..." somehow soothes the masses.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:22:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Quote:
Anyone who believes this bull**** about how objection to MT is a minority opinion need to let that percolate for a minute. CCP doesn't believe that to be a minority opinion or else they would have done as Hilmar said and stayed the course.


Perhaps you could tell us where CCP changed their course.


The Emergency CSM summit. Obviously they weren't planning on that they expected after a short bit of grumbling we'd settle down and they could move on to the next step.

I admit what we got out of them fell far short of what was wanted but no one who was reasonable expected the Nex store to be tore down after development dollars have already been spent.

Beyond that your are right we don't know what happened internally with CCP's plans. The hope is that enough hell was raised to derail any thoughts of P2W for the foreseeable future but only time will tell.

Maybe they were telling the truth and they never intended to sell game-play affecting items and services (yeah right) maybe they were ready to roll out a whole host of additional services.

The fact that they implemented the NEX in the first place is pretty damning evidence against them. Particularly given the pricing strategy they seem to have settled on (The M in MT is supposed to stand for Micro no Macro).

No way enough idiots are buying enough horribly designed vanity items to pay off the development time they put into it.

While I think they are arrogant and suffering from extreme confirmation bias fueled by visions of giant piles of greenbacks, I don't think they are completely stupid so the question becomes where do they really expect this to pay off?

Remember they have to sell 12 plex worth of items to make up for the revenue lost from each canceled account per year.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:25:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 30/08/2011 17:27:24
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 30/08/2011 17:26:15
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 30/08/2011 17:25:45
Originally by: Skex Relbore

No way enough idiots are buying enough horribly designed vanity items to pay off the development time they put into it.



52 monocles in the first 40 hours

Quote:
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.


They might not be YET but they WILL BE

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:30:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Vana Dell
I realize I'm an EvE newbie here, but I fail to see how the plex store or aurum is an issue here. Don't like it? Don't use it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

My personal beef with it? It provides proof of what I knew since 2006. Player driven economies fail.


do believe the issue is pay to win.


And what does that have to do with NEX or CQ?

Pay to win has been in the game ever since PLEX, where have you been? Laughing

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:47:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Bootleg Jack
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Vana Dell
I realize I'm an EvE newbie here, but I fail to see how the plex store or aurum is an issue here. Don't like it? Don't use it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

My personal beef with it? It provides proof of what I knew since 2006. Player driven economies fail.


do believe the issue is pay to win.


And what does that have to do with NEX or CQ?

Pay to win has been in the game ever since PLEX, where have you been? Laughing


They've been hiding under a rock trying in vain to convince themselves that people who are affluent in real life cannot buy a supercap pilot, sell PLEX, and then buy their very own supercap, all in a day or two.

That certainly doesn't happen in my EVE! Shocked

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:49:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 30/08/2011 17:49:31
Originally by: Bootleg Jack
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Vana Dell
I realize I'm an EvE newbie here, but I fail to see how the plex store or aurum is an issue here. Don't like it? Don't use it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

My personal beef with it? It provides proof of what I knew since 2006. Player driven economies fail.


do believe the issue is pay to win.


And what does that have to do with NEX or CQ?


Quote:
You never saw the original memo that ****ed everyone off huh? Where they were talkin about selling ships an gold ammo an T3 stuff in there? And them saying "Oh dear we've upset you, we PROMISE we'll NEVER do that..." somehow soothes the masses.


You deliberately skipped a post. Cool! I have a thread stalker. This guy is like following me everywhere I post now

Vana Dell
Caldari
A Big Enough Lever
Numquam Ambulare Solus
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:53:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 30/08/2011 17:17:49
Originally by: Vana Dell
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Vana Dell
I realize I'm an EvE newbie here, but I fail to see how the plex store or aurum is an issue here. Don't like it? Don't use it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

My personal beef with it? It provides proof of what I knew since 2006. Player driven economies fail.


do believe the issue is pay to win.

How is getting an ugly little monocle that would look right at home in Morrowind that provides absolutely no stats beyond making the person wearing it look stupid 'paying to win'?


Originally by: Ranger 1


How are clothing items pay to win?

How are paint jobs on ships pay to win?

How are items resold on the open market for ISK pay to win?

If you are referring to items that offer in game advantages, that cannot be resold for ISK, we have no evidence of this... merely baseless speculation.



You never saw the original memo that ****ed everyone off huh? Where they were talkin about selling ships an gold ammo an T3 stuff in there? And them saying "Oh dear we've upset you, we PROMISE we'll NEVER do that..." somehow soothes the masses.
I'd feel better about purchasing something like that that possesses an actual use over something that clearly just pure aesthetics with my real life money.

And I don't know why people were upset about it for. Even had CCP released it that way people would still have to have to have proper skills to even use them.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:54:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 30/08/2011 17:27:24
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 30/08/2011 17:26:15
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 30/08/2011 17:25:45
Originally by: Skex Relbore

No way enough idiots are buying enough horribly designed vanity items to pay off the development time they put into it.



52 monocles in the first 40 hours

Quote:
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.


They might not be YET but they WILL BE


Lets see so there most successful item only generated sufficient revenue to replace the yearly revenues from 15 canceled accounts.

This was in the earliest days when demand for the item would be highest.

Yeah that's really successful, lol. BTW just for some context that's a whoppy $2910 in plex that just about covers the cost of flying 3 CMS from the US to Iceland with advanced notice; probably barely covered the cost of flying Mittens out for the emergency summit.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.30 17:58:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Ranger 1
Quote:
Anyone who believes this bull**** about how objection to MT is a minority opinion need to let that percolate for a minute. CCP doesn't believe that to be a minority opinion or else they would have done as Hilmar said and stayed the course.


Perhaps you could tell us where CCP changed their course.


The Emergency CSM summit. Obviously they weren't planning on that they expected after a short bit of grumbling we'd settle down and they could move on to the next step.

I admit what we got out of them fell far short of what was wanted but no one who was reasonable expected the Nex store to be tore down after development dollars have already been spent.

Beyond that your are right we don't know what happened internally with CCP's plans. The hope is that enough hell was raised to derail any thoughts of P2W for the foreseeable future but only time will tell.

Maybe they were telling the truth and they never intended to sell game-play affecting items and services (yeah right) maybe they were ready to roll out a whole host of additional services.

The fact that they implemented the NEX in the first place is pretty damning evidence against them. Particularly given the pricing strategy they seem to have settled on (The M in MT is supposed to stand for Micro no Macro).

No way enough idiots are buying enough horribly designed vanity items to pay off the development time they put into it.

While I think they are arrogant and suffering from extreme confirmation bias fueled by visions of giant piles of greenbacks, I don't think they are completely stupid so the question becomes where do they really expect this to pay off?

Remember they have to sell 12 plex worth of items to make up for the revenue lost from each canceled account per year.


I really don't think that calling a meeting to clarify what their "course" is qualifies as "no longer staying the course".

I also think you are making a lot of assumption. Starting with your assumptions that the NeX store items aren't selling well. We have zero data on that. It's also a pretty safe bet that the NeX store item sales will increase dramatically once other people can see your Avatar.

@Sullen:

Of course I saw the memo, and the news letter. More importantly, I understood them.
You need to learn the difference between a discussion of a controversial subject and a plan of action.
You also need to learn the difference between a remote possibility and a probable outcome.
Only politicians and journalists are allowed to make a habit out of taking anything they like out of context and spinning a theoretical discussion to sound like certifiable fact. Everyone else is simply called a liar or a fool.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 18:32:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: Skex Relbore on 30/08/2011 18:36:12
Originally by: Ranger 1


I really don't think that calling a meeting to clarify what their "course" is qualifies as "no longer staying the course".



Um considering part of the course obviously did not include taking efforts to affect such clarification then yes I'd say it most certainly does qualify as "no longer staying the course".

Quote:

I also think you are making a lot of assumption. Starting with your assumptions that the NeX store items aren't selling well. We have zero data on that. It's also a pretty safe bet that the NeX store item sales will increase dramatically once other people can see your Avatar.



I'm not making any assumption I'm stating a simple economic fact on how many Plex have to be converted for aurum to make up for a lost subscriber, I"m also giving my opinion that, I don't think what they are selling; at the prices they are selling it for; will be sufficient to cover the development costs associated with the project.

As such it is my belief that there are and have always been plans to move beyond "vanity" items.

Particularly in the form of services as described by CCP Soundwave in the Fearless Mag.



Quote:

@Sullen:

Of course I saw the memo, and the news letter. More importantly, I understood them.
You need to learn the difference between a discussion of a controversial subject and a plan of action.
You also need to learn the difference between a remote possibility and a probable outcome.



I'd suggest that your position in this debate is evidence that no you did not understand them and you quite frankly do not understand the difference between discussion and a plan of action.

Fearless was not a discussion if it was a PR piece to sell the MT concept to the rank and file and get their buy in and get them thinking about how else to monetize the game.

Anyone who's actually worked in the corporate world is familiar with such pieces.

Note how all the articles talking up the concept of Micro-transactions were written by department heads and various leaders in the organization while the one bit opposed was from some grunt in the research department.

That's not a discussion that's propaganda.


Quote:

Only politicians and journalists are allowed to make a habit out of taking anything they like out of context and spinning a theoretical discussion to sound like certifiable fact. Everyone else is simply called a liar or a fool.



Why would Politicians and Journalists get a pass? We know most of them are already liars and/or fools or at least paid to be such.

No one is taking anything out of context, the argument is about what the context actually is.

If someone accepts the argument that the Fearless magazine which was 90% in favor of Micro-transactions and discussed specific plans and idea's on implementation (some of which we know are actual plans) with all the Pro's coming from people in leadership positions at the company, is just so much internal discussion they'll think people like myself are fools.

For those of us who don't believe for a moment that the Fearless magazine was anything other than company propaganda to gain support for what they knew would be an unpopular idea we think you are being pretty damned Naive.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:33:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Skex Relbore
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 30/08/2011 18:36:12
Originally by: Ranger 1


I really don't think that calling a meeting to clarify what their "course" is qualifies as "no longer staying the course".



Um considering part of the course obviously did not include taking efforts to affect such clarification then yes I'd say it most certainly does qualify as "no longer staying the course".

Quote:

I also think you are making a lot of assumption. Starting with your assumptions that the NeX store items aren't selling well. We have zero data on that. It's also a pretty safe bet that the NeX store item sales will increase dramatically once other people can see your Avatar.



I'm not making any assumption I'm stating a simple economic fact on how many Plex have to be converted for aurum to make up for a lost subscriber, I"m also giving my opinion that, I don't think what they are selling; at the prices they are selling it for; will be sufficient to cover the development costs associated with the project.

As such it is my belief that there are and have always been plans to move beyond "vanity" items.

Particularly in the form of services as described by CCP Soundwave in the Fearless Mag.



Quote:

@Sullen:

Of course I saw the memo, and the news letter. More importantly, I understood them.
You need to learn the difference between a discussion of a controversial subject and a plan of action.
You also need to learn the difference between a remote possibility and a probable outcome.



I'd suggest that your position in this debate is evidence that no you did not understand them and you quite frankly do not understand the difference between discussion and a plan of action.

Fearless was not a discussion if it was a PR piece to sell the MT concept to the rank and file and get their buy in and get them thinking about how else to monetize the game.

Anyone who's actually worked in the corporate world is familiar with such pieces.

Note how all the articles talking up the concept of Micro-transactions were written by department heads and various leaders in the organization while the one bit opposed was from some grunt in the research department.

That's not a discussion that's propaganda.


Quote:

Only politicians and journalists are allowed to make a habit out of taking anything they like out of context and spinning a theoretical discussion to sound like certifiable fact. Everyone else is simply called a liar or a fool.



Why would Politicians and Journalists get a pass? We know most of them are already liars and/or fools or at least paid to be such.

No one is taking anything out of context, the argument is about what the context actually is.

If someone accepts the argument that the Fearless magazine which was 90% in favor of Micro-transactions and discussed specific plans and idea's on implementation (some of which we know are actual plans) with all the Pro's coming from people in leadership positions at the company, is just so much internal discussion they'll think people like myself are fools.

For those of us who don't believe for a moment that the Fearless magazine was anything other than company propaganda to gain support for what they knew would be an unpopular idea we think you are being pretty damned Naive.



I'm quite familiar with the corporate environment, from both the "grunt in the trenches" and from the upper management point of view, but thanks for your input.

Again, you've done an excellent job of presenting your opinions on what you think the situation is. You have yet to back that postion up with any facts.

The facts we have now are:

1: A meeting was called to clarify their current and future course of action.

2: That meeting did not facilitate a change in that course of action.

3: We have vanity only MT in game, with no announced plans to change it to non-vanity items.

Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:36:00 - [138]
 

Gold ammo would give me another edge over all you poor people.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.30 19:38:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 30/08/2011 19:43:36


I would like to add to Ranger's point just to make sure no one forgets this, but CCP originally stated their intention to release the Ishukone Watch Scorpion prior to having an item exchange mechanic in place for the NEX store, and that they would keep a close watch on the resulting sales to ensure that the player driven market was not negatively impacted.

After the leaked memo, and initial uproar that went from rational debate into blind rage and mob mentality, CCP quietly swept this plan under the rug and I believe... though I am disappointed to say I do not have the thread, that I remember reading a developer who posted that they scrapped the scorpion plans because they decided they did not even want to run the risk of negatively impacting the player driven economy with what would even temporarily be a non-vanity item.

So... if they were really planning to do non-vanity, why would they be pensive about even temporarily releasing the Ishukone Scorpion with no item exchange in place?

Now, a reasonable person would start connecting the dots to see that CCP IS planning an item exchange, which means that the likelihood of there being gold ammo is considerably low, since the NEX will basically operate under the same principles as the LP stores, with the exception of the non-vanity items.

In before the conspiracy theorists... everyone is always out to get them, because they are just that important.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.30 20:26:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1

The facts we have now are:

1: A meeting was called



technically till we get the minutes, we dont know what was said. You can SPECULATE what it was about but no "hard evidence" of what it was about have I seen yet

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.30 21:24:00 - [141]
 

Nobody here get the feeling of something just not right?
We suddenly have many "reasonable" pro-MT P2W people on these forums. With strange arguments that can work on youth players but laughable for grown up players. Connect that with CCP hire of PR firm and all what was going on last few month. Include these CSM minutes release delays excuses. Think about CSM candidates resignations for "unrelated reasons". Reflect on Ishukone Scorpion Battleship affair. You have good enough picture to see where all this train going and what's the destination.

Aldan Romar
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.08.31 05:16:00 - [142]
 

Alex, please. Paranoia is a dangerous thing.

Apparently CCP doesn't even listen to the voices on the Forums, I doubt they have enough interest to invest ressources to influence them.

Some people may voice their concerns on here, some are fed up with that and taking an extreme stance to set a counterpoint. Some are screwing with each other's heads.

Empy Ralt
Posted - 2011.08.31 07:02:00 - [143]
 


Pay to win is one thing that a lot will find unpalatable.

CCP treating their customers like suckers or cash-cows is another.

CCP wasting developer time on Nex/CQ is another. If it was a side-feature of new space-ship content no one would really care. But an "Eve" expansion which is all about a cash-shop is pretty lame.

Taharqua10
Posted - 2011.08.31 10:21:00 - [144]
 

You might not personally want them but alas other people do & CCP see this as a revenue stream to tap:

OH dear!

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.31 11:52:00 - [145]
 

I tell you this now: if there were hats in the store, and especially this hat, I'd be all over that stuff.

CoRp0
Posted - 2011.08.31 12:36:00 - [146]
 

Let's just hope there will never be SP store Evil or Very Mad

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.31 20:30:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Mendolus


So... if they were really planning to do non-vanity, why would they be pensive about even temporarily releasing the Ishukone Scorpion with no item exchange in place?




My understanding was that the Ishukone Scorp was pulled when the CSM pointed out the uproar it would cause.

As far as why they'd be so pensive about it, well it might have something to do with the fact that they recognized as CCP Soundwave noted in "Fearless" that they'd be crucified by the player base.

If their primary concern had been avoiding the stench of P2W they'd never have even thought of offering the Ishukone Scorpion before an exchange was possible (And really is it that much more technically complex to deposit a 1 run BPC that requires a scorpion as a component into someone's hanger than it is to deposit a completed Ishukone Scorpion?, The ability for the NEX to require an item exchange is entirely unneeded to provide custom models to existing ships and the assertion that it was relevant to the release of the Ishukone Scorpion a red herring to distract people with poor critical thinking skills.

The thing is there really isn't much conspiracy theory to seeing where this road ends, it's simply a matter of following each step to it's logical conclusion.

Now that the NEX store is there with it's money making potential sitting there singing it's siren song to the bean-counters there will be a constant pressure to milk it for more revenue. We already know from EA's experience that Vanity items just aren't enough to really drive profits it's pay for in game advantage or gold ammo as it were that is the big money maker and you can be damned sure that every executive and finance person at CCP has seen that power point from EA.

Sure the devs will be "reluctant" to do it but since the NEX team is generating additional revenue they'll be the ones getting the funding and being bumped to the top of the priority queue (the May CSM minutes stated quite clearly that the art department is the primary bottleneck holding up game content, so which department do you think is designing the "vanity" items for the NEC?).

They'll couch it in language of "in order to be competitive" as if you gouging your customer is the best way to drive sales. and we're just following industry trends blah blah and more PR crap.

The bottom line is that if the NEX generates good revenues the execs and bean counters will push to get it to produce more revenues. If it fails to produce revenues they'll push to make it generate more revenue.

Leaving us players in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation of losing a hobby that many of us have invested years of our life in enjoying. To make matters worse since this is the direction the industry is going (whether the players like it or not) there won't be any good gameplay focused games left.

All that will remain will be a Micro-transaction driven ad-space and the promise of a cold harsh virtual universe will be yet one more dream destroyed by short sighted MBA's who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

The only hope and it's a slim one at that is that we can raise enough hell to derail this train before it gets too far out of the station by getting someone in a position of power to put the long term health of the game ahead of short term greed.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.31 20:40:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Skex Relbore
We already know from EA's experience that Vanity items just aren't enough to really drive profits it's pay for in game advantage or gold ammo as it were that is the big money maker and you can be damned sure that every executive and finance person at CCP has seen that power point from EA.




Or STO if you were there to watch that disaster.
They crowed the "Vanity items only" on their forums too.
The SECOND the game launched they put races that have ingame effects you cant get in game in there.
NON VANITY
Then ships with abilities the other in game ships cant get
NON VANITY
Then sp boosters that made you level faster
NON VANITY
hell they even made respecs cost REAL MONEY

Dont believe me? Look for youeself

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.31 20:51:00 - [149]
 

Well, if it happens, we are all as good as gone aren't we?

And it looks like from the previous track record with MMOs, that all the bemoaning in the world did not prevent the introduction of non-vanity items to a game, so...

Let me remind you guys, I am here personally to spend time with friends, and ride this game until the wheels fall off, or until non-vanity items are introduced. Until that very day, I would prefer to just logon and have some fun, because unless someone can provide me with factual evidence of any time in an MMO where the subscriber base successfully averted the introduction of non-vanity items through their dialog with the developers, all of this is really just an exercise in futility.

If it is going to happen, it is going to happen, the only thing we can do is unsubscribe from the game when it does.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.31 20:58:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Mendolus
Well, if it happens, we are all as good as gone aren't we?

And it looks like from the previous track record with MMOs, that all the bemoaning in the world did not prevent the introduction of non-vanity items to a game, so...

Let me remind you guys, I am here personally to spend time with friends, and ride this game until the wheels fall off, or until non-vanity items are introduced. Until that very day, I would prefer to just logon and have some fun, because unless someone can provide me with factual evidence of any time in an MMO where the subscriber base successfully averted the introduction of non-vanity items through their dialog with the developers, all of this is really just an exercise in futility.

If it is going to happen, it is going to happen, the only thing we can do is unsubscribe from the game when it does.


Obviously it's an exercise in futility doesn't mean we can't put it all out so we can point later and say "see I told you so"

Ultimately as Keynes said "in the long run we're all dead" it's just a matter of passing the time until the end.


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