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Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:39:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 26/08/2011 22:44:27
Edited by: Myxx on 26/08/2011 22:43:53
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: baltec1

No they put the plans on hold untill they can get the BPC working correctly to accept a scorp in the build process. They originally wanted to put it up for a while without a need for a normal scorp untill they could get the system changed. We shot down the idea and they agreed with the playerbase.



No they put the plans on hold until they feel it's relatively safe to introduce it in their NeX MT shop. Because they suddenly realized that doing so at this moment will ruin their income and potentially reduce the playerbase to unrecoverable levels. But the plans are right there. It's the same as their statements a year ago "we do not have plans for MT shop". Take a look at MT shop in game today.


This. I pretty much don't need to add much more.

oh... and as for the scorpion? it doesnt even LOOK worthwhile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlt5VhTCN4Q

Quote:
Ingame description:
With its focus on electronic warfare, few ships can resist the direct onslaught of the Ishukone Watch Scorpion-class battleship's jamming capabilities.

Traits
15% bonus to ECM Target Jammer strength per level
20% bonus to ECM Target Jammer optimal and falloff range per level
20% Bonus to ECM Burst range per level

Details
This variant of the Scorpion represents the pinnacle of the Ishukone paramilitary force's electronic warfare capabilities.

Development
When Ishukone Watch was commissioned to produce a run of Scorpion-class battleships for its parent company, it was decided that a number of extra units would be offered to the capsuleer community to help fund the effort. Interestingly, the entire project took less than one year from start to finish, suggesting at some degree of urgency in the fleet's production.

Technology
Though the typical Scorpion-class battleship includes a highly advanced sensor package, Ishukone Watch modifies their ships for policing duty around their worlds. Custom multispectral radiation scanners designed to catch all forms of planetary and extra-planetary communications replace the standard comms suite. Special LADAR and thermal imaging equipment allow Ishukone Watch ships to serve as a distant eye-in-the-sky for planetary security forces. Although these features are stripped out before decommissioned hulls are placed on the open market, the infamy of the Ishukone Watch still makes ships popular with independent ship buyers.

Notes
Many wonder why Ishukone Watch would produce a massive run of electronic warfare battleships, especially with sensor suites fine-tuned to detect planetside signals. Some have speculated that these ships were intended to support a larger, multinational fleet. Regarding the mass production of these ships, Ishukone Watch CEO Eborimi Shiskala praised her parent corporation with an "incredible dedication to the Ishukone doctrine of technological superiority."

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:54:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: baltec1

No they put the plans on hold untill they can get the BPC working correctly to accept a scorp in the build process. They originally wanted to put it up for a while without a need for a normal scorp untill they could get the system changed. We shot down the idea and they agreed with the playerbase.



No they put the plans on hold until they feel it's relatively safe to introduce it in their NeX MT shop. Because they suddenly realized that doing so at this moment will ruin their income and potentially reduce the playerbase to unrecoverable levels. But the plans are right there. It's the same as their statements a year ago "we do not have plans for MT shop". Take a look at MT shop in game today.


so... they want to introduce a BPC to the NeX store that accepts a scorpion, and outputs a scorpion with a different paint job - but same attributes (cap, cpu, pg, etc)?

and this is bad.. because?

that would qualify as cosmetic. seriously stop ****ing your pants long enough to realize that nobody gives a **** about cosmetic items - and nobody SHOULD give a ****.

you know how much FUN it will be to Pop an Ishukone Scorp for the lulz?

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:59:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: baltec1

No they put the plans on hold untill they can get the BPC working correctly to accept a scorp in the build process. They originally wanted to put it up for a while without a need for a normal scorp untill they could get the system changed. We shot down the idea and they agreed with the playerbase.



No they put the plans on hold until they feel it's relatively safe to introduce it in their NeX MT shop. Because they suddenly realized that doing so at this moment will ruin their income and potentially reduce the playerbase to unrecoverable levels. But the plans are right there. It's the same as their statements a year ago "we do not have plans for MT shop". Take a look at MT shop in game today.


so... they want to introduce a BPC to the NeX store that accepts a scorpion, and outputs a scorpion with a different paint job - but same attributes (cap, cpu, pg, etc)?

and this is bad.. because?

that would qualify as cosmetic. seriously stop ****ing your pants long enough to realize that nobody gives a **** about cosmetic items - and nobody SHOULD give a ****.

you know how much FUN it will be to Pop an Ishukone Scorp for the lulz?


so where does it STOP in that vein? Can't trust CCP or any developer for that matter to keep to their 'we do not have any plans for x at this time'. And more often than not, that has infact turned out to be decidedly false. So infact, they can't really say jack **** that will be taken for more than a lie because they've gone back on it too many times.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 23:00:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: baltec1

No they put the plans on hold untill they can get the BPC working correctly to accept a scorp in the build process. They originally wanted to put it up for a while without a need for a normal scorp untill they could get the system changed. We shot down the idea and they agreed with the playerbase.



No they put the plans on hold until they feel it's relatively safe to introduce it in their NeX MT shop. Because they suddenly realized that doing so at this moment will ruin their income and potentially reduce the playerbase to unrecoverable levels. But the plans are right there. It's the same as their statements a year ago "we do not have plans for MT shop". Take a look at MT shop in game today.


so... they want to introduce a BPC to the NeX store that accepts a scorpion, and outputs a scorpion with a different paint job - but same attributes (cap, cpu, pg, etc)?

and this is bad.. because?

that would qualify as cosmetic. seriously stop ****ing your pants long enough to realize that nobody gives a **** about cosmetic items - and nobody SHOULD give a ****.

you know how much FUN it will be to Pop an Ishukone Scorp for the lulz?


You have difficulty reading posts? Or missing parts of it?
The initial plan was and still is to put Ishukone Scorpion without any BPC or whatever else. Just a ship out of thin air. That plan is on hold until they decide they can introduce it without loosing half of their playerbase that same day. If you have any doubts please reread again a year back statements by CCP employees "We do not have any plans for MT shop" and take a look at that MT shop in game today.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.26 23:36:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 27/08/2011 10:04:08
An observation:

the voting thread linked in the original post is 137 pages long at 15 posts per page, though the last page only has 4 comments on it at the time of writing.

so, that's (136*15)+4=2044 votes

approximate number of subscribing EVE accounts: 360,000-ish. With some generous rounding, let's call it 300K to allow for alt accounts and ragequits.

So the percentage of the total paying, playing population of the game who have voted in that thread, positively, negatively or neutrally is...

(2044 / 300,000)*100 = 0.68

0.68%. just over two thirds of one percent. In other words; NOBODY CARES. The dissenting voices, or even the ones like me actually speaking up in favour of the NeX store, are in a vanishingly tiny minority.

So, my reminder to CCP would be - don't listen to the forums. Forum users are a small minority who make an excessive amount of noise. Let people vote with their dollars, PLEX and AURUM instead. that is the metric which should indicate whether the players are generally happy with the introduction of the NeX store.


To said small and excessively noisy minority - EVE is a playground for trying things that are new and controversial. Luddites like you lot can GTFO out of our game, and give me your stuff as you go. don't let THE DOOR hit you on the way out.

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.27 00:28:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: baltec1

No they put the plans on hold untill they can get the BPC working correctly to accept a scorp in the build process. They originally wanted to put it up for a while without a need for a normal scorp untill they could get the system changed. We shot down the idea and they agreed with the playerbase.



No they put the plans on hold until they feel it's relatively safe to introduce it in their NeX MT shop. Because they suddenly realized that doing so at this moment will ruin their income and potentially reduce the playerbase to unrecoverable levels. But the plans are right there. It's the same as their statements a year ago "we do not have plans for MT shop". Take a look at MT shop in game today.


apparently i understood it better than you, because i understood that they said it was a temporary solution until they could fix the BPC. when the players said "nah, that's not good" they actually used logic and convinced CCP that they're correct.

so... they want to introduce a BPC to the NeX store that accepts a scorpion, and outputs a scorpion with a different paint job - but same attributes (cap, cpu, pg, etc)?

and this is bad.. because?

that would qualify as cosmetic. seriously stop ****ing your pants long enough to realize that nobody gives a **** about cosmetic items - and nobody SHOULD give a ****.

you know how much FUN it will be to Pop an Ishukone Scorp for the lulz?


You have difficulty reading posts? Or missing parts of it?
The initial plan was and still is to put Ishukone Scorpion without any BPC or whatever else. Just a ship out of thin air. That plan is on hold until they decide they can introduce it without loosing half of their playerbase that same day. If you have any doubts please reread again a year back statements by CCP employees "We do not have any plans for MT shop" and take a look at that MT shop in game today.


Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Alex Sinai
Originally by: baltec1

No they put the plans on hold untill they can get the BPC working correctly to accept a scorp in the build process. They originally wanted to put it up for a while without a need for a normal scorp untill they could get the system changed. We shot down the idea and they agreed with the playerbase.



No they put the plans on hold until they feel it's relatively safe to introduce it in their NeX MT shop. Because they suddenly realized that doing so at this moment will ruin their income and potentially reduce the playerbase to unrecoverable levels. But the plans are right there. It's the same as their statements a year ago "we do not have plans for MT shop". Take a look at MT shop in game today.


so... they want to introduce a BPC to the NeX store that accepts a scorpion, and outputs a scorpion with a different paint job - but same attributes (cap, cpu, pg, etc)?

and this is bad.. because?

that would qualify as cosmetic. seriously stop ****ing your pants long enough to realize that nobody gives a **** about cosmetic items - and nobody SHOULD give a ****.

you know how much FUN it will be to Pop an Ishukone Scorp for the lulz?


so where does it STOP in that vein? Can't trust CCP or any developer for that matter to keep to their 'we do not have any plans for x at this time'. And more often than not, that has infact turned out to be decidedly false. So infact, they can't really say jack **** that will be taken for more than a lie because they've gone back on it too many times.


your level of paranoia borders on medical.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.27 01:00:00 - [67]
 

Stiff **** for us, huh.

tika te
Posted - 2011.08.27 02:46:00 - [68]
 

just few points here.

1. like allready mentioned: about 75-80% of the playerbase don't want mt at all, few percent just tolerate it as long as it's vanity only...do the math..

2. if my 2x15 euro per month are not enough support for the game i love the chances are high CCP absolutely has no clue how to operate in the profit zone AND further develop/evolve this game at the same time; maybe it's just greed... i know - truth hurts.
basicaly MT is all about increasing or "optimising" revenue per player (RPP)..

3. to came back on 2. from different POV: i'm sick of seing how the money i pay trough sub is used to use developing resources for mt items i have to pay AGAIN if i want to use them and EVEN WORSE to develop games (dust, wod) that will even more base on that buissines model (pay to win or better pay-or-be-second-class-player/cannonfodder)- I HATE IT and IT makes me SICK.
btw - developed for a console market exclusively...WE - the PC gamer - make you stand where you are now CCP...

bit off-topic:
4. this games core is about spaceships - why the hell wasn't there a dedicated dev team who care about ballancing issues there..until few weeks/months ago a single ccp dev decided he should do the
job...

Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.08.27 02:47:00 - [69]
 

Why my ENTIRE corp left EVE: picture

Forum Worrier
Posted - 2011.08.27 03:27:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Cave Lord
Why my ENTIRE corp left EVE: picture


Cause one of their corpmates couldn't figure out how to use the text tool?

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.08.27 04:06:00 - [71]
 

I could of probably swallowed vanity mt if the game wasn't so broken, and resources that could of been used elsewhere to fix the game are being used to develop nex store items.

Aldan Romar
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.08.27 06:15:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Myxx
...
so where does it STOP in that vein? Can't trust CCP or any developer for that matter to keep to their 'we do not have any plans for x at this time'. And more often than not, that has infact turned out to be decidedly false. So infact, they can't really say jack **** that will be taken for more than a lie because they've gone back on it too many times.
So your idea of a compromise is tearing the NEX down?

You are a hell of a negotiator...

You distrust your opposites, you speculate about all the bad things they could do even though nothing bad happens at the moment.

Are you sure you are at the right table?

Thornat
Posted - 2011.08.27 06:35:00 - [73]
 

Its an unfortunate aspect of the MMO industry but it is a fact that games that have added microtransactions or started with them have become far more successful and had their life spans extended. I can't explain it, I don't get it either, I don't understand how paying for digital bull**** works but it does and people pay and to be honest I found myself doing it as well. POXNORA, Magic the Gathering Online, Star Chamber and Everquest 2 are just a couple of the games that got me.

In a way CCP is like the Captain and crew of the Titanic. They have all this historical data about Eve, experiance and knowledge about the industry all basically telling them that "this is a good idea", yet the only place it will lead them despite all that is a disaster. All their experiance is working against them.

CCP has the luxary of a piece of information that the titanic captain and crew didn't have. The warning. They just barely missed one iceberg already as the sheer mention of the remote possibility that just maybe sometime in some distant future their might be micro transactions for gameplay items caused an uproar and exodus unlike anything we have seen in Eve in 8 years. It was a warning and has Hilmar has said himself, watch not what they say but what they do.

I really how CCP is watching player actions as a result of the NEX store so far. I agree with who ever said this is CCP's NGE, I think thats very accurate. If the NEX store becomes anything more than a throw away vanity items store, the games population will dwindle considerably and to Eve a dwindling population will cause a domino effect unlike other games because so much of the content in this game is player dependent.

Empy Ralt
Posted - 2011.08.27 09:20:00 - [74]
 


It's true. Games go F2P and cash-shop when they've basically failed or become outdated. Just look at LoTRO, Champions online, D&D online, EQ2, crime-craft, Fallen Earth.

Or you can have F2P and cash-shop like the much quoted battlefield heroes.

Subscription plus cash-shop is rarer. WoW can do it but it's the goliath of the MMO space. For a dated and niche game like Eve, which relies on a small but loyal audience, it's probably an act of Hubris.

That said I don't care, as long as it is cosmetic items only, but that doesn't excuse their complete lack of adding game-play content. Not even Wow would have the chutzpah to release an "expansion" that is just a cash-shop with no new gameplay.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.27 09:58:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 27/08/2011 10:02:33
Edited by: Stitcher on 27/08/2011 09:59:28
Originally by: tika te
1. like allready mentioned: about 75-80% of the playerbase don't want mt at all, few percent just tolerate it as long as it's vanity only...do the math..


and, like I already mentioned, it's not 75%-80% of the playerbase, it's 75% to 80% of those players who feel strongly enough to get on the forums and vote in a thread about it. Which is less than 1% of the total playerbase.

There is an enormous selection bias inherent in that survey. Huge. It just isn't a valid source to draw conclusions from. Furthermore, it was started in 2010, before the NeX store was released and when the forums were absolutely riddled with paranoid and inaccurate speculation about how it was going to involve "pay 2 win" items and suchlike. half the votes on that survey pre-empt actual experience of the thing that's being voted on.

That survey shows one thing because its responders are almost universally people who feel strongly enough about NeX to get on the forums and express their opinions, and it's a demonstrable fact that people who feel negative about something are far more pro-active in expressing their opinions than people who feel positive about something.

If you were to take a show of hands at Fanfest, you'd get a different result because Fanfest attendees are... well... fans! Very few will have attended fanfest specifically to make their opinion on NeX known - the vast majority will just be there as fans of the game, and I suspect the response would be more strongly positive. But it's still not an accurate image because now there's a selection bias towards those people who feel sufficiently strongly positive about the game and CCP to spend hundreds of pounds flying out to Iceland so they can get drunk and cheer about whatever's coming up, then drunkenly design-democracy a spaceship that is made of like ten thousand wings.

The only way to survey the opinion of the playerbase as a whole on NeX is passively. That means market metrics. It means looking at how many PLEX are traded as-is, and how many are converted to AURUM. It means looking at the number of NeX purchases that happen per week.

It means, in other words, the kind of material and research that goes into making a QEN, and I look forward to seeing a NeX QEN come out that blows all of this "THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT MT!" bullsh*t out of the sky and then pods it.

Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2011.08.27 10:08:00 - [76]
 

I'm not sure microtransactions are bad for EVE. If done right they might breathe in new life into the game by providing another way for the company to earn money which they can then use to make the game more awesome for us all. What bothers me is that the stuff right now does not look "done right".

First of all, from a purely technical point of view the NEx store is awful. It looks as if it was thrown together with basic Windows controls in an afternoon with no regard to functionality, user friendlyness and future expansions. It's just a big list of icons without any ordering or sorting. I could have thrown it together in an afternoon using standard Windows controls. No sorting, no searching, no categories. If the NEx ever grows to the 1/100 size of the current EVE item market it will be impossible to use. This looks thrown together and not really well thought out and makes me wonder if it was more than just a testbed that got pushed public too soon, too fast.

The same with the stuff on sale itself. Never mind that I think that the stuff looks crappy and boring (it's all matter of taste after all), it mainly looks to me like a massive misplacement of resources. How many identical shirts are there, just different by swapping out one color? Ok, maybe the idea was to sell more items by not offering customisation options, but even then I'd have made some of the textures configurable so you can only pass some parameters and turn the same 3D model into a blue, beige, black or whatever shirt. Heck, you could even sold the shirt for 20M ISK and each recoloration for 5M or the equivalent in Owrum. However the frequency at which this stuff appears (and half a dozen new things are announced with the air as if they were a new expansion) make me feel as if a graphic designer copied a 3D file, exchanged some textures and then sat back for a month playing Tetris while telling his boss that he is hard at work and how difficult it is to change the color.

The prices are ridiculous. Even if it is just ISK and not real money, I wonder how they came up with the idea of that pricing - which exceeds RL costs for similar items - just for some 3D models. Maybe they took a page off DAZ3Ds or Renderosities' book, but those stores are selling 3D items for renders you get to keep and sometimes make a living off.
And look at the price difference on the stuff. The very same shirt in a different color once costs 4500Ow, the other 1500. Why? If I buy a blue or red car, the price is more or less the same. Even getting my new car in a metallic color did not triple the price, it was just a few 100€ up (out of a total approaching €30k). The current pricing does reek of a rip-off attempt, not a decent and well-thought out business model.
Also, it totally snubs a lot of people that cannot or want not afford that stuff. While I always found ISK easy to make in EVE I know a lot of people who are struggling to keep a battleship or two around. Hell, some people even said they can't even afford battlecruisers. They always had the option to sell PLEX and buy that, yet obviously did not. Why is dev time wasted for a minority?

The fact that the stuff appears out of thin air and is indestructible is just not EVE's style. Everything else so far has been designed and developed to be player produced. Slash prices down, sell BPCs and require PI materials to produce the clothes. I bet people would have loved it. Make the stuff destructable even when worn and you'll sell a lot more over time.

But most of all the laughable attempts at damage control annoy me. I'd been perfectly fine with a "Hey folks, money is tight, so we're planning to sell this and that in the future". But first "No, Nevar!", then "Pay us $99 per year if you want to make a web site" and now the NEx. That just all sums CCP up as a not very trustworthy partner.

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.08.27 10:33:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Inspiration on 27/08/2011 10:36:26
I shouldn't even take bait of the trolls that say it's only a small population that has serious issues with MT.

Well I got news for you, it is NOT a small minority that is very vocal about it. It is not those few hundred players shooting a monument in Jita or Amarr.

Many multiples of that are just as displeased up to the level of being outraged. I am one of them, the whole Incarna expansion thing has become a bad joke, a devolution of a game. A lot of slowly building up frustration with the recent game development reached a threshold when MT was introduced in incarna.

Not that it was the drip in the proverbial full bucket of water! It was a half a bucked of water dropping into an already full bucket of water!

Result: less subscribers, and less active player base. Many players are just doing something else while in EVE they do nothing then keeping the skill queue filled up and log off again. I am one of them BTW.

And seen many trading in NeX items yet? Given that there is always a few that try to play trade and speculation games, there seems to be no demand at all for anything currently being offered at least.

And BTW, anything in game that can be traded with in game currency and comes only in existence with spending real life currency and stays in game, is at the very least messing with the sandbox. Even in game, you can only spend your earned ISK once, anything that is introduced from the outside will affect things, vanity or not!!!

It's sad that after so many time and heated discussions not everyone understands the basic concepts of economics yet. The CSM members too failed miserably in this respect after being informed by thousands of players of the consequences.

The only reason it has not yet had an in game detrimental market effect is that almost no one wants to buy anything in the shop! For some mysterious reason CCP and MT supporters see this as evidence that there will be no ill effects. Go figure!

Tokyo Rose
Posted - 2011.08.27 10:38:00 - [78]
 

I could care less about microtransactions. If someone wants to drop a few hundred real life dollars on a monocle and some faded virtual jeans let them.

What I want is for ccp to get past this carebear expansion fetish phase and get back to the pvp roots that made eve, well, eve.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.27 12:39:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Aldan Romar
Originally by: Myxx
...
so where does it STOP in that vein? Can't trust CCP or any developer for that matter to keep to their 'we do not have any plans for x at this time'. And more often than not, that has infact turned out to be decidedly false. So infact, they can't really say jack **** that will be taken for more than a lie because they've gone back on it too many times.
So your idea of a compromise is tearing the NEX down?

You are a hell of a negotiator...

You distrust your opposites, you speculate about all the bad things they could do even though nothing bad happens at the moment.

Are you sure you are at the right table?


In an ideal world, the NEX store wouldn't have even been thought of in the first place.

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.27 14:13:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Denidil on 27/08/2011 14:12:46
Originally by: Inspiration
Edited by: Inspiration on 27/08/2011 10:36:26
I shouldn't even take bait of the trolls that say it's only a small population that has serious issues with MT.

Well I got news for you, it is NOT a small minority that is very vocal about it. It is not those few hundred players shooting a monument in Jita or Amarr.




you fail at math. realllllly hard. divided a "few hundred" by "a few hundred thousand". then get back to me.

the only troll here is YOU. I christen you "Math Fail Troll".

******.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.27 14:18:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 27/08/2011 14:19:08
Originally by: Denidil
Edited by: Denidil on 27/08/2011 14:12:46
Originally by: Inspiration
Edited by: Inspiration on 27/08/2011 10:36:26
I shouldn't even take bait of the trolls that say it's only a small population that has serious issues with MT.

Well I got news for you, it is NOT a small minority that is very vocal about it. It is not those few hundred players shooting a monument in Jita or Amarr.




you fail at math. realllllly hard. divided a "few hundred" by "a few hundred thousand". then get back to me.

the only troll here is YOU. I christen you "Math Fail Troll".

******.


You must be stupid. What inspiration is saying, is that the population that don't like microtransactions is far larger than just a few hundred people that are vocal about it.


Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.27 14:20:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Myxx
....


Originally by: Arnar Hrafn Gylfason, Senior Producer for EVE Online
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


Originally by: The Mittani, Chairman of CSM 6
Game-affecting Virtual Goods: We are convinced that CCP has no plans to introduce any game-affecting virtual goods, only pure vanity items such as clothing and ship skins. We have been repeatedly assured that there are no plans for ‘gold ammo', ships which have different statistics from existing common hulls, or any other feared ‘game destroying' virtual goods or services. We have expressed our deep concern about potential grey areas that the introduction of virtual goods permits, and CCP has made a commitment to discuss any proposals that might fall into these grey areas in detail with CSM at the earliest possible stage.


both from http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=935 which is a nearly 2 month old dev blog

i trust the CSM to do two things: be rabidly pro-0.0, and keep game affecting MT out of eve.

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.27 14:23:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Myxx


You must be stupid. What inspiration is saying, is that the population that don't like microtransactions is far larger than just a few hundred people that are vocal about it.




i know very well what they're trying to say. they have no evidence to support their (your) position. they have a thread they can refer to that shows that there are some people who don't like it.

we get that you're paranoid delusionals worried that just because some other ****ty F2P games had problems with MT that means all games that have MT must be ****ty. which is obviously not true looking at the market.

CCP never intends to introduce anything that affects gameplay. so i'm fine with it. i think they should spend the art time on more productive things, but i'm not going to be all butthurt about vanity MT. the game is still fun.

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.08.27 15:46:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Myxx


You must be stupid. What inspiration is saying, is that the population that don't like microtransactions is far larger than just a few hundred people that are vocal about it.




i know very well what they're trying to say. they have no evidence to support their (your) position. they have a thread they can refer to that shows that there are some people who don't like it.

we get that you're paranoid delusionals worried that just because some other ****ty F2P games had problems with MT that means all games that have MT must be ****ty. which is obviously not true looking at the market.

CCP never intends to introduce anything that affects gameplay. so i'm fine with it. i think they should spend the art time on more productive things, but i'm not going to be all butthurt about vanity MT. the game is still fun.


Evidence is in my original post, go to Jita, look at market of NeX shop items and then come back to report your findings! They ignored player wished for a long long time and then came with an expansion few are truely excited about....get it?

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.27 15:56:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Inspiration
Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Myxx


You must be stupid. What inspiration is saying, is that the population that don't like microtransactions is far larger than just a few hundred people that are vocal about it.




i know very well what they're trying to say. they have no evidence to support their (your) position. they have a thread they can refer to that shows that there are some people who don't like it.

we get that you're paranoid delusionals worried that just because some other ****ty F2P games had problems with MT that means all games that have MT must be ****ty. which is obviously not true looking at the market.

CCP never intends to introduce anything that affects gameplay. so i'm fine with it. i think they should spend the art time on more productive things, but i'm not going to be all butthurt about vanity MT. the game is still fun.


Evidence is in my original post, go to Jita, look at market of NeX shop items and then come back to report your findings! They ignored player wished for a long long time and then came with an expansion few are truely excited about....get it?


get a dictionary. you need to learn the definition of the word "evidence"

Sergio Ling
Posted - 2011.08.27 16:02:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Abrazzar
Define: "We"

Those that doesn't like the MT/subscription combo I guess.

and yet he is no representative of mine

Galalissa Noban
Posted - 2011.08.27 16:09:00 - [87]
 

Op , you certainly don't represent me .


Lets face it , your talking about the loud vocal MINORITY of players that visit these forums , which in itself is only a percentage of the games playerbase .

Makes me laugh , the NeX store is cosmetic at the moment ( i say "at the moment" jsut to shut those idiots up who will come along with " BUT IF IN THE FUTURE " ... ) " and has absolutely no bearing on anything ingame , besides absorbing plex .
Even if they started to add Gold plated scorpions ,or faction ammo / ships i still wouldn't care less .

More revenue for CCP = good by my book , no matter whether that money is used to develop EvE / Dust or any other title the company creates / owns .

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.08.28 09:47:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Denidil
get a dictionary. you need to learn the definition of the word "evidence"


Ah, your one of those people that cannot comprehend even moderately complex systems, let alone things such as an economy with many actors in it. You seem to think that as nothing is 100% certain for you, you can believe whatever you like to believe, despite verifiable facts to the contrary.

You are deceiving yourself!

Now go read that book of yours yourself. I realize I am talking to an empty shell. Words go in, nonsense goes out as you simply cannot comprehend the system my words describe, thus lack the frame of reference needed to give my words meaning.

Oh and BTW, as vocal people go, you certainly are vocal. Do you also represent a minority? Think about it and read back all your earlier posts!

Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.28 10:12:00 - [89]
 

Could all of you get on the eve is real site and 'facebook share' (whatever that means) the hell out of it please?

It seems the second Aurum unlock is frozen, and i really want to buy a pair of them goggles.

Thanks.


xxxTRUSTxxx
Posted - 2011.08.28 10:52:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Tian Jade
I purchased a coat. Twisted Evil

Cry all you want, a Plex is not that much money for me and I can support CCP in developing the game I love.

You may flame now. ugh


no flame, i ask that you think about this, the cash you believe you are injecting back into eve will not be spread over all departments, it will be sunk back into the art department, which if you really think about it is not improving the game, nor fixing bugs, nor correcting imbalance, nor inproving null sec, it will lead to the following STARDOLL

do you really believe the cash you spent on plex to convert to aur is going to be shared equal, no it won't, it will go back into the department that raised the Revenue in the first place, why you ask, because they will fall into the thinking that the cash cow is born, feed it MORE !

btw nobody is crying, well i'm not, if anyone else is, they need to HTFU, your dolly looks great Tian you can play dress up all you want, but it will never lead to the game improving. unless you call dressing your dolly in new exciting clothes an improvement.


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