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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:57:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 26/08/2011 17:59:13
Originally by: Tian Jade
I purchased a coat. Twisted Evil

Cry all you want, a Plex is not that much money for me and I can support CCP in developing the game I love.

You may flame now. ugh


Thank you for being honest, and I hope you enjoy your fancy coat.
Game is no different before you bought it, and won't be different after you bought it.
So long as CCP decides whether to make that coat consumable or destructible at least.

For now, I have a feeling that soon you will be unable to remove a NEX item back to your items hangar once you use it on a particular character even if you choose to display it or not on your avatar.

I can flame you if you want tho, your avatar is pretty hot, altho you are prolly a G.I.R.L. in which case I retract my previous jests and firmly plant myself in my heterosexuality!

Razz

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.08.26 18:07:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Abrazzar
Define: "We"

Those that doesn't like the MT/subscription combo I guess.


Which equates to a whole lot of people.


You bet, in that thread OP linked a "whole lot" is basically 0.2% of the player base!!

And that is assuming all the alts are stand alone accounts which is of course absurd.

.2%, scary, imagine if they quit!!

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.08.26 18:34:00 - [33]
 

I was around for the ship skin discussion and i did call bull**** on how they wanted to implement it.


I am all for ship skins as long as it requires the original tech 1 variant to build it, and that the new version DOES NOT have stats better than the tech 1 variant.


Deryk Kyeld
Veteran Defense Initiative
Posted - 2011.08.26 18:34:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Deryk Kyeld on 26/08/2011 18:40:24
Edited by: Deryk Kyeld on 26/08/2011 18:34:09
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
What NOT to do link in this post

also see sig.
If you at CCP dont know what NGE/CU is you can google it, but this IS yours


LOL get real. NGE/CU were dramatic changes to the game that completely altered how it was played. Incarna has only added more features unless you believe ship spinning was a integral part of the game. Don't compare apples to oranges. Incarna is nothing like NGE/CU.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.26 18:52:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Naran Eto
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Written Word
Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.


an when the Greed is Good thing was leaked noone protested in game right? That was just rumors?


You mean that little protest involving a couple hundred players while the other 30 thousand or so players sat back, laughed and yelled wtf was all that nonsense about?


Ahhh, a good bit had the demands of what we were protesting met.

Once again thank you CCP for 'listening' to our 'actions.'

The people that don't get that kill me. Its like a little kid running around with their fingers in their ears screaming "I am not listening to you..."


I usually don't disagree with you Cipher, but I can't honestly say I agree with that assessment.

What really came out of the protests was pressure to communicate their intentions and plans better. In this regard the protests had a good and positive effect.

However, those protests in no way changed CCP's game plan. It merely prompted them at doing a better job of communicating what that plan was to begin with, which had the beneficial effect of allaying most peoples fears (and took the wind out of the sails of all but the most persistant and obtuse forum troll celebrities).

So no, I'm not saying the protests had no effect or weren't a good thing on some level, but the effect the protests had was not to force the game plan to change to something we liked better. Rather it's benefit was to force better communication and understanding of a plan that was actually pretty acceptable to begin with.

@OP: Get over yourself. Most people have no issue with MT being in EVE in its current form or the with the Nex store in general (other than to lobby for it being made affordable to more people). If people didn't want to play around with it, the pricing levels wouldn't be an issue to begin with.

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.08.26 19:00:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Myxx
GTFO with the nex store and eveisreal(crap)

Do something useful with those art assets instead.

LIKE PRIORITIZE EVERY SINGLE REQUEST THE CSM BROUGHT TO YOU AND YOU PUT ON HOLD "BECAUSE OF ART"

**** your MT store.


Agree. Like.

LuxLight
Posted - 2011.08.26 20:05:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Myxx
A Reminder to CCP: We do not want microtransactions period.

Wrong. I want microtransactions.

Bring it on. Ships, gear, ammo, paint jobs, etc...



Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 20:14:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1

@OP: Get over yourself. Most people have no issue with MT being in EVE in its current form or the with the Nex store in general (other than to lobby for it being made affordable to more people). If people didn't want to play around with it, the pricing levels wouldn't be an issue to begin with.


Wrong.
Most people who don't have issue with micro-transactions will leave pretty soon after these MTs get in full into the game. Hardcore players will leave the moment these MTs go into game changing items. And then CCP will cry out for people to return. With mails and offers. But once someone biomass there's no way he will return. And MTs of game changing items warrantee that biomass for hardcore players who sustained EVE for these years. And then EVE becomes F2P with P2W. With Dust 514 interaction... which will be P2W from the start... a game for a year to be around. And then collect dust on shelves. Well... it's name already includes that.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.26 20:20:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Deryk Kyeld
Edited by: Deryk Kyeld on 26/08/2011 18:40:24
Edited by: Deryk Kyeld on 26/08/2011 18:34:09
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
What NOT to do link in this post

also see sig.
If you at CCP dont know what NGE/CU is you can google it, but this IS yours


LOL get real. NGE/CU were dramatic changes to the game that completely altered how it was played. Incarna has only added more features unless you believe ship spinning was a integral part of the game. Don't compare apples to oranges. Incarna is nothing like NGE/CU.


Oh the whole devaluing of High sec and forcing those players into the snapping jaws of the 0.0 elite? Thats not drastic either huh

Ara Soulbright
Posted - 2011.08.26 20:23:00 - [40]
 

Soon as I got money in my credit card I'll be getting some AUR. I'll dress up my Ken doll like a champ. And I'll also likely dress up another account's female character as his mistress. Soon as they come out with the short shorts and micro-skirts...

Alexzia Sevic
Posted - 2011.08.26 20:26:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Naran Eto

You mean that little protest involving a couple hundred players while the other 30 thousand or so players sat back, laughed and yelled wtf was all that nonsense about?


That sums up my sentiments about that entire ordeal. OP was likely in the midst of it trying to instill more nerd rage.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.26 20:40:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
I was around for the ship skin discussion and i did call bull**** on how they wanted to implement it.


I am all for ship skins as long as it requires the original tech 1 variant to build it, and that the new version DOES NOT have stats better than the tech 1 variant.




/signed.

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:13:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Written Word
Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.


an when the Greed is Good thing was leaked noone protested in game right? That was just rumors?


A nice talk about that subject

Take note in the part where the biggest community whiners ending up paying more in the cash store than a non-whiner. Hugely unpopular PR, nasty articles being written, claims they have killed the game but they all kept their jobs and they are making more games.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:37:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Written Word
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Written Word
Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.


an when the Greed is Good thing was leaked noone protested in game right? That was just rumors?


A nice talk about that subject

Take note in the part where the biggest community whiners ending up paying more in the cash store than a non-whiner. Hugely unpopular PR, nasty articles being written, claims they have killed the game but they all kept their jobs and they are making more games.



Apples to Oragnes

There is a big difference between a Free to play game where a subscriber who leaves over Micro-transactions wasn't paying anything anyway, and one from a subscription based game where that same player was paying $15 a month or more.

In the first case if they leave who cares they were a free loader anyway. In the second that's $180 in actual real revenue per year for each account they cancel that is lost.

This is why when 3000+ accounts clicked cancel CCP changed their "stay the course" plan and paid full fare to fly the CSM out to Iceland for their "Summit".

You think "who cares that's only 3000 of 300,000" CCP's accounts went "hmm that's 1% of our accounts and 3000*15*12... $540,000 real dollars per year lost. hold the presses lets rethink this"

Actually if memory serves it was closer to 6k accounts so 2% of their revenue threatening to go buh-bye.





Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:40:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 21:48:02
Originally by: Written Word
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Written Word
Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.


an when the Greed is Good thing was leaked noone protested in game right? That was just rumors?


A nice talk about that subject

Take note in the part where the biggest community whiners ending up paying more in the cash store than a non-whiner. Hugely unpopular PR, nasty articles being written, claims they have killed the game but they all kept their jobs and they are making more games.


Link something I dont have to sign up to read

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:45:00 - [46]
 

God, not this again.

Let me guess: another "failquitters who failed to quit" thread?

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:49:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Borun Tal
God, not this again.

Let me guess: another "failquitters who failed to quit" thread?


Youre on EVE-O QQing about "another of THESE threads"

um... thats 75% of what EVE-O is or ever was from what Ive seen.

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:51:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Borun Tal
God, not this again.

Let me guess: another "failquitters who failed to quit" thread?


Youre on EVE-O QQing about "another of THESE threads"

um... thats 75% of what EVE-O is or ever was from what Ive seen.


Killing the last 10 minutes of a work day before I can head out to Lake Tahoe for the evening. Cool

Ara Soulbright
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:54:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Borun Tal
God, not this again.

Let me guess: another "failquitters who failed to quit" thread?


Youre on EVE-O QQing about "another of THESE threads"

um... thats 75% of what EVE-O is or ever was from what Ive seen.


it's true... I bet if you did a search about "not another one of THESE threads" it would be 500+ pages of results. Dissmissive voices are heard more often than practical voices. Probably because people think they're more important when they say that, "I'm trying to help keep the forums clean, with my useless post, pointing out that your post is useless" LOL!!!

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.26 21:58:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung


also see sig.
If you at CCP dont know what NGE/CU is you can google it, but this IS yours


As someone who was hit by the NGE I can safely say this is nothing like it.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:06:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 26/08/2011 22:09:56
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Sullen Skoung


also see sig.
If you at CCP dont know what NGE/CU is you can google it, but this IS yours


As someone who was hit by the NGE I can safely say this is nothing like it.


It has the same potential destructive weight on EVE. Consider that CCP thinks it knows best, as did Smed and George Lucas with SW:G. We all know how that went. IF CCP continues to ignore the playerbase in favor of their microtransactions and such... it could easily get out of hand again. I fear if it spirals out of control again, it'll do serious and lasting damage to the playerbase on the same level as the 'New Game Enhancements'. It easily could do that, if not worse.

What I'm not saying, by the way, is that its on the same level of sweeping changes. That would be like turning EVE into an FPS in space (wtfhorribleidea). That would be even worse, infact.

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:10:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Sullen Skoung


also see sig.
If you at CCP dont know what NGE/CU is you can google it, but this IS yours


As someone who was hit by the NGE I can safely say this is nothing like it.


It has the same potential destructive weight on EVE. Consider that CCP thinks it knows best, as did Smed and George Lucas with SW:G. We all know how that went. IF CCP continues to ignore the playerbase in favor of their microtransactions and such... it could easily get out of hand again. I fear if it spirals out of control again, it'll do serious and lasting damage to the playerbase on the same level as the 'New Game Enhancements'. It easily could do that, if not worse.


actually just so you know NGE/CU was done to SWG because George Lucas demanded it, Smed (who is normally a douche) really had nothing to do with it. most of SOE thought it was a dumb move.

so again, you don't know what you're talking about. and comparing adding silly little cosmetic item MT to Eve to NGE/CU is completely and totally stupid.

CCP not doing what YOU want them to do doesn't mean they're not listening to their player base, you don't have access to that data. i would be willing to wager the vast majority of the user base doesn't give a **** about cosmetic MT.

now if they actually made MT for non-cosmetic items then a lot of the player base would raise a stink. The difference between the rest of us and you is we're not chicken littles.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:15:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Sullen Skoung


also see sig.
If you at CCP dont know what NGE/CU is you can google it, but this IS yours


As someone who was hit by the NGE I can safely say this is nothing like it.


It has the same potential destructive weight on EVE. Consider that CCP thinks it knows best, as did Smed and George Lucas with SW:G. We all know how that went. IF CCP continues to ignore the playerbase in favor of their microtransactions and such... it could easily get out of hand again. I fear if it spirals out of control again, it'll do serious and lasting damage to the playerbase on the same level as the 'New Game Enhancements'. It easily could do that, if not worse.


Because adding a wider choice of pants is the same as removing my swordsman/pikeman build, destroying 250 heavy miners out of 260, removing decay which effectivly wiped out the economy and making traders useless, taking away faction fighting and dumbing down the NPCs so much that the hardest content can be done in hotpants with your fists as the only weapon.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:17:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 26/08/2011 22:23:33

Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Sullen Skoung


also see sig.
If you at CCP dont know what NGE/CU is you can google it, but this IS yours


As someone who was hit by the NGE I can safely say this is nothing like it.


It has the same potential destructive weight on EVE. Consider that CCP thinks it knows best, as did Smed and George Lucas with SW:G. We all know how that went. IF CCP continues to ignore the playerbase in favor of their microtransactions and such... it could easily get out of hand again. I fear if it spirals out of control again, it'll do serious and lasting damage to the playerbase on the same level as the 'New Game Enhancements'. It easily could do that, if not worse.


actually just so you know NGE/CU was done to SWG because George Lucas demanded it, Smed (who is normally a douche) really had nothing to do with it. most of SOE thought it was a dumb move.

so again, you don't know what you're talking about. and comparing adding silly little cosmetic item MT to Eve to NGE/CU is completely and totally stupid.

CCP not doing what YOU want them to do doesn't mean they're not listening to their player base, you don't have access to that data. i would be willing to wager the vast majority of the user base doesn't give a **** about cosmetic MT.

now if they actually made MT for non-cosmetic items then a lot of the player base would raise a stink. The difference between the rest of us and you is we're not chicken littles.


I very much do know what I'm talking about, because I played that game from its fourth day til not too long ago. I'm NOT talking about the sweeping changes they made. I'm comparing the potential destruction it could cause the playerbase. I was very much a fan of incarna up until they ****ed it up with the NEX store. I was very much a fan of the new forums and eve gate... until they decided to hire an incompetent web team.

I still think it could work, but CCP are arrogant ****tards sometimes and bite too much off and get themselves into positions where they promise things will be fixed/delt with a certain way, and then **** that up because they underestimate the problems they face.

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Sullen Skoung


also see sig.
If you at CCP dont know what NGE/CU is you can google it, but this IS yours


As someone who was hit by the NGE I can safely say this is nothing like it.


It has the same potential destructive weight on EVE. Consider that CCP thinks it knows best, as did Smed and George Lucas with SW:G. We all know how that went. IF CCP continues to ignore the playerbase in favor of their microtransactions and such... it could easily get out of hand again. I fear if it spirals out of control again, it'll do serious and lasting damage to the playerbase on the same level as the 'New Game Enhancements'. It easily could do that, if not worse.


Because adding a wider choice of pants is the same as removing my swordsman/pikeman build, destroying 250 heavy miners out of 260, removing decay which effectivly wiped out the economy and making traders useless, taking away faction fighting and dumbing down the NPCs so much that the hardest content can be done in hotpants with your fists as the only weapon.


Heh, okay, point made there, it only nearly rivals the disgust I felt having my TKM/Mdoc and pistoleer/smuggler/tka builds wiped out but not quite. Doesnt change the fact they're pushing it on people who don't want to ****ing deal with it in the exact same ****ing way.

In other words, its only mildly tolerable because they MIGHT decide to put production into players hands at some point.

Probably not though, knowing how CCP is. I find it amusing how hard their marketing team is pushing this pile of **** into peoples attention. I wish they'd just **** off and not bother announcing it.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:23:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Myxx


Heh, okay, point made there, it only nearly rivals the disgust I felt having my TKM/Mdoc and pistoleer/smuggler/tka builds wiped out but not quite. Doesnt change the fact they're pushing it on people who don't want to ****ing deal with it in the exact same ****ing way.


I have more use for incarna than I do for wormholes, t3 ships and a dedicated salvager.

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:23:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Myxx


I very much do know what I'm talking about, because I played that game from its fourth day til not too long ago.


having played a game since the dawn of time doesn't mean you know ****. I actually know people who are in design leadership positions at Sony, so I get my information from the horses mouth so to speak.

Can MT ruin Eve? Absolutely, just like they CAN destroy any game

Has Cosmetic MT ruined any game ever? None that i have ever seen

Does having cosmetic MT mean that the game company is simply going to make non-cosmetic, it is a rule of the universe? Absolutely not.

Do uninformed users often consider developers to be arrogant (not just of games)? Absolutely, because the devs get tired of explaining complex answers to people incapable of understanding them, over and over.

Do you need to chill the **** out? absolutely.



Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:26:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Myxx


Heh, okay, point made there, it only nearly rivals the disgust I felt having my TKM/Mdoc and pistoleer/smuggler/tka builds wiped out but not quite. Doesnt change the fact they're pushing it on people who don't want to ****ing deal with it in the exact same ****ing way.


I have more use for incarna than I do for wormholes, t3 ships and a dedicated salvager.


I have signifigantly more use for making starbases less of a pain in the ass than I do the nex store, or finding an alternative to starbases such as the smallholding proposal.

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:27:00 - [58]
 

Hey all the proud defenders of MT in EVE Online because it's vanity items, don't you ****s know about Ishukone Scorpion affair just before Incarna release? That thing surfaced for a moment and then got wiped completely. And the discussion was that this Battleship will be sold solely in NeX MT store. When Incarna arrived and ***t hit the fan CCP hid that Ishukone Scorpion as far as they only could.

So I'd suggest you rethink your "vanity" defense. Because you will end up with Battleships and golden ammo in subscription game. Probably by then it already will be F2P P2W since a lot of people will leave by that time.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:33:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Alex Sinai
Hey all the proud defenders of MT in EVE Online because it's vanity items, don't you ****s know about Ishukone Scorpion affair just before Incarna release? That thing surfaced for a moment and then got wiped completely. And the discussion was that this Battleship will be sold solely in NeX MT store. When Incarna arrived and ***t hit the fan CCP hid that Ishukone Scorpion as far as they only could.

So I'd suggest you rethink your "vanity" defense. Because you will end up with Battleships and golden ammo in subscription game. Probably by then it already will be F2P P2W since a lot of people will leave by that time.


No they put the plans on hold untill they can get the BPC working correctly to accept a scorp in the build process. They originally wanted to put it up for a while without a need for a normal scorp untill they could get the system changed. We shot down the idea and they agreed with the playerbase.


Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:38:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: baltec1

No they put the plans on hold untill they can get the BPC working correctly to accept a scorp in the build process. They originally wanted to put it up for a while without a need for a normal scorp untill they could get the system changed. We shot down the idea and they agreed with the playerbase.



No they put the plans on hold until they feel it's relatively safe to introduce it in their NeX MT shop. Because they suddenly realized that doing so at this moment will ruin their income and potentially reduce the playerbase to unrecoverable levels. But the plans are right there. It's the same as their statements a year ago "we do not have plans for MT shop". Take a look at MT shop in game today.


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