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Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:57:00 - [1]
 

GTFO with the nex store and eveisreal(crap)

Do something useful with those art assets instead.

LIKE PRIORITIZE EVERY SINGLE REQUEST THE CSM BROUGHT TO YOU AND YOU PUT ON HOLD "BECAUSE OF ART"

**** your MT store.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:00:00 - [2]
 

Define: "We"

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:00:00 - [3]
 

What NOT to do link in this post

also see sig.
If you at CCP dont know what NGE/CU is you can google it, but this IS yours

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:01:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Define: "We"

Those that doesn't like the MT/subscription combo I guess.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:04:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Abrazzar
Define: "We"

Those that doesn't like the MT/subscription combo I guess.


Which equates to a whole lot of people.

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:04:00 - [6]
 

Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:06:00 - [7]
 

"We"?

You got mice in your pocket?

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:06:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Written Word
Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.


an when the Greed is Good thing was leaked noone protested in game right? That was just rumors?

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:12:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
"We"?

You got mice in your pocket?


click the link in my OP.

Naran Eto
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:12:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Written Word
Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.


an when the Greed is Good thing was leaked noone protested in game right? That was just rumors?


You mean that little protest involving a couple hundred players while the other 30 thousand or so players sat back, laughed and yelled wtf was all that nonsense about?

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:14:00 - [11]
 

Personally, I don't really care about the micro-transactions because:

1) They do not give anyone an advantage in combat.
2) They are available to me using in-game currenty via isk to PLEX then PLEX to AUR if I cared about it.

I do dislike the removed features with the whole station change (I want my double-click to open ship cargo back.) I do dislike the increased stress on my CPU while in station*. And I do dislike the fact that CCP members are taking time away from developing other content to develop totally unnecessary avatar stuff. But I can deal.

*My machine runs it, but I do notice an increased amount of cpu latency in station since the change. The fitting window takes about 1.5 seconds to open instead of .5 seconds. Nothing I can't deal with, it's just annoying because I'm a trader/indy guy and I spend so much time docked up.

Myxx, when you say "we" you need to define "we." "We" does not include me here. I may not be a glorious CEO of a corporation controlling 85% of null space, so perhaps I'm insignificant. But I still don't feel comfortable with someone else talking for me.

I am not a part of your "we."

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:16:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Naran Eto
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Written Word
Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.


an when the Greed is Good thing was leaked noone protested in game right? That was just rumors?


You mean that little protest involving a couple hundred players while the other 30 thousand or so players sat back, laughed and yelled wtf was all that nonsense about?


Did it not get results and force them to bring the CSM back for a meeting regarding what to do about it? I'd say it was successful in getting what we wanted.

Originally by: Kesshisan
Personally, I don't really care about the micro-transactions because:

1) They do not give anyone an advantage in combat.
2) They are available to me using in-game currenty via isk to PLEX then PLEX to AUR if I cared about it.

I do dislike the removed features with the whole station change (I want my double-click to open ship cargo back.) I do dislike the increased stress on my CPU while in station*. And I do dislike the fact that CCP members are taking time away from developing other content to develop totally unnecessary avatar stuff. But I can deal.

*My machine runs it, but I do notice an increased amount of cpu latency in station since the change. The fitting window takes about 1.5 seconds to open instead of .5 seconds. Nothing I can't deal with, it's just annoying because I'm a trader/indy guy and I spend so much time docked up.

Myxx, when you say "we" you need to define "we." "We" does not include me here. I may not be a glorious CEO of a corporation controlling 85% of null space, so perhaps I'm insignificant. But I still don't feel comfortable with someone else talking for me.

I am not a part of your "we."


I DID define "we". Its the link in my OP.

Naran Eto
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:20:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Naran Eto
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Written Word
Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.


an when the Greed is Good thing was leaked noone protested in game right? That was just rumors?


You mean that little protest involving a couple hundred players while the other 30 thousand or so players sat back, laughed and yelled wtf was all that nonsense about?


Did it not get results and force them to bring the CSM back for a meeting regarding what to do about it? I'd say it was successful in getting what we wanted.



It may have done, but i have a feeling that meeting was already secretly planned by CCP and actually had nothing to do with the protest to be honest, they just used it as a way to make us think we had gotten their attention.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:21:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Myxx

Did it not get results and force them to bring the CSM back for a meeting regarding what to do about it? I'd say it was successful in getting what we wanted.



Yeah Im all against this but you gotta see what the CSM are an thats jack and ****. The original charter of that group was to go to Iceland to be a watchdog group to make sure CCP wasnt cheating again (as the idea was come up with as a result of T20 - I was there then). When that became impossible, they were turned (supposedly) into a sounding board for the suggestions from the players (a "forum" if you will, for "suggestions"). But CCP has and will continue to do things behind these guys' backs, omit them entirely from design decisions, thereby making that whole group redundant and unnecessary.

Why? They know best.

Naran Eto
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:28:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Kesshisan
Personally, I don't really care about the micro-transactions because:

1) They do not give anyone an advantage in combat.
2) They are available to me using in-game currenty via isk to PLEX then PLEX to AUR if I cared about it.

I do dislike the removed features with the whole station change (I want my double-click to open ship cargo back.) I do dislike the increased stress on my CPU while in station*. And I do dislike the fact that CCP members are taking time away from developing other content to develop totally unnecessary avatar stuff. But I can deal.

*My machine runs it, but I do notice an increased amount of cpu latency in station since the change. The fitting window takes about 1.5 seconds to open instead of .5 seconds. Nothing I can't deal with, it's just annoying because I'm a trader/indy guy and I spend so much time docked up.

Myxx, when you say "we" you need to define "we." "We" does not include me here. I may not be a glorious CEO of a corporation controlling 85% of null space, so perhaps I'm insignificant. But I still don't feel comfortable with someone else talking for me.

I am not a part of your "we."


I pretty much agree with most of this post, i don't mind micro transactions as long as the items purchased from the store don't effect game play in any way except for the "ooh shiny" aspect.

Infact if you think about it, having micro tranactions added to the game is easier for us than other games, in other games you have to pay real money fo rthe items, here it's integrated with the ingame economy...

A) the items can be sold on the market for isk,alot of MT mmo's the items are no trade.
B) you can buy PLEX with isk and buy the items yourself.

If you don't want to spend real money you don't have to, whereas in other mmo's you are forced to pay real money if you want that shiny.

The only thing i don't like about the recent patches is the missing ship hangar, and as pointed out above the extra stress the cq puts on our machines, if they could add back the hangar we had and add a "dissembark" button so we could visit the cq as well as optimize the carbine engine to cause less stress then all would be fine with me.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:36:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung


Why? They know best.


If they continue to think they know best, then history will be repeating itself in the not too distant future. It'll suck, too, just like it did back then. They have been warned plenty on ignoring the will of the playerbase, so if they continue to walk blindly ahed... well...

Originally by: John Smedley, CEO of SOE

The SWG community has been voting with it's feet since the NGE came about. Either we end up being right about our ability to turn the ship around and make a game that's BETTER than it was before, or we were wrong and we fail. Either way we were losing subs before the NGE and believe it or not, we are losing them at a slower rate than before. I'm not going to pretend we didn't lose a bunch of subs from this. We did. And I don't think the game is where it needs to be yet to aquire new subs. But it's getting there with each and every publish.

At the end of the day there are a lot of people in this community that wonder why we did this? Why did we "deliberately" try and **** people off. Obviously that wasn't our intent. This is a business and we needed to improve the results of the business. Did we make a mistake? Maybe.. but only time is going to tell on that one. One thing is certain. We made a mistake with how we presented it to the community, and for that I'm sorry. I still think it was a needed thing though. It's not as simple as "you should have just fixed the things we were complaining about". That doesn't address the very real fact that what we had was a hardcore game that wasn't going to attract the mass audience that the Star Wars IP brings to the table.

Smed



Woe to CCP.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:49:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:50:55
Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Sullen Skoung


Why? They know best.


If they continue to think they know best, then history will be repeating itself in the not too distant future. It'll suck, too, just like it did back then. They have been warned plenty on ignoring the will of the playerbase, so if they continue to walk blindly ahed... well...



I was trying to tie into my sig. It was irony lol

yeah this too CCP

Forum Worrier
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:50:00 - [18]
 

We all love mt for isk.

Long live the NEX!


Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:55:00 - [19]
 

I'm with the OP. Close that NeX store for good, it was very bad idea. Get over it.

Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:55:00 - [20]
 

I think the clothes are all right - it's just that CCP should release 'establishments' ASAP to give the clothes greater meaning / use.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:57:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Naran Eto
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 26/08/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Written Word
Lets see, despite being proven all across the industry that it makes a lot of money and has no tangible effect on player retention outside of forum screamers (you in this case).. they should stop it doing it right?

You aren't going to quit. You'll whine but you'll go back to playing.


an when the Greed is Good thing was leaked noone protested in game right? That was just rumors?


You mean that little protest involving a couple hundred players while the other 30 thousand or so players sat back, laughed and yelled wtf was all that nonsense about?


Ahhh, a good bit had the demands of what we were protesting met.

Once again thank you CCP for 'listening' to our 'actions.'

The people that don't get that kill me. Its like a little kid running around with their fingers in their ears screaming "I am not listening to you..."

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 16:21:00 - [22]
 

All they have to do is remove the nex store and it'll reduce a signifigant amount of ire against everything CCP does.

Lu'Marat
Posted - 2011.08.26 16:57:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Lu''Marat on 26/08/2011 17:04:39
Oh, it's this thread again.
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Originally by: Myxx
All they have to do is remove the nex store and it'll reduce a signifigant amount of ire against everything CCP does.


Yeah right. It'll also spawn a wave of trolls clamoring about how CCP never goes through with anything, how they never should have thrown all that money at it in the first place, how CCP is obviously the most incompetent player on the market, and of course how this doesn't do anything to address <arbitrary fact they are unhappy about>. Sorry, but if you really think that'd work for CCP then I am not sure how much you know about the EVE community. And I'm not saying this to **** you off or troll you. Seriously, it doesn't work that way.

Trainwreck McGee
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:00:00 - [24]
 

I am part of "we"

and i approve this message.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:34:00 - [25]
 

I am not apart of this 'we'

I dont care what they put in the store, but as long as they do not put in game altering items, like gold plated volkswagons to be used as ammo in 1400's.

As long as it is kept to clothes, and possibly ship skins (im still undecided) I dont care what goes on in the nex store or MT.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:36:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 26/08/2011 17:38:38
Edited by: Mendolus on 26/08/2011 17:36:17
Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Abrazzar
Define: "We"

Those that doesn't like the MT/subscription combo I guess.


Which equates to a whole lot of people.


Proof please?






Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
I am not apart of this 'we'

I dont care what they put in the store, but as long as they do not put in game altering items, like gold plated volkswagons to be used as ammo in 1400's.

As long as it is kept to clothes, and possibly ship skins (im still undecided) I dont care what goes on in the nex store or MT.


This ^



Originally by: Vincent Athena
"We"?

You got mice in your pocket?


+1 LOL, you are my hero for the day Very Happy

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:38:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Myxx on 26/08/2011 17:38:45
Originally by: Mendolus
Edited by: Mendolus on 26/08/2011 17:36:17
Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Abrazzar
Define: "We"

Those that doesn't like the MT/subscription combo I guess.


Which equates to a whole lot of people.


Proof please?






Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
I am not apart of this 'we'

I dont care what they put in the store, but as long as they do not put in game altering items, like gold plated volkswagons to be used as ammo in 1400's.

As long as it is kept to clothes, and possibly ship skins (im still undecided) I dont care what goes on in the nex store or MT.


This ^


You weren't around when this was discussed, were you? Already linked it. A good 80 percent of the people in that thread were against it entirely.

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:41:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Mendolus on 26/08/2011 17:43:58
Originally by: Myxx
You weren't around when this was discussed, were you? Already linked it. A good 80 percent of the people in that thread were against it entirely.



137*30 = 4,110 potentially unhappy people.

How many subscriptions does EVE have again?


...


I will be generous for you, let's assume each of those people has two alternate accounts.

137*30*3 = 12,330 accounts for 4,110 potentially unhappy people with an average of three accounts each.

How many subscriptions does EVE have again?

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:42:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Myxx
A good 80 percent of the people in that thread were against it entirely.


because a voluntarily participation poll presented a small minority (forum posters) of the most extreme unforgiving *******s in a game of general *******s is a representative sample. that is just samplying bias - that's completely ignoring the fact that polls like that only tend to attract people with negative opinions of what is being asked about (self selection bias).


hint: forum polls are proof of nothing. stop QQing.

Tian Jade
Amarr
Bad Bumblebee Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.26 17:48:00 - [30]
 

I purchased a coat. Twisted Evil

Cry all you want, a Plex is not that much money for me and I can support CCP in developing the game I love.

You may flame now. ugh


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