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Hicksimus
Gallente
Mom's Friendly Spaceship Company
Posted - 2011.08.26 04:04:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 26/08/2011 03:57:16
I come into this thread and I find myself wondering, "Why are these belligerent whiners still here?"

Then I remember we're talking about people who think this is a spaceship game.

Also;

Originally by: Hicksimus
Originally by: Alexa Akiga
What you all seem to forget is this is not about spaceship barbie, this is about the fact that in less than 6 months, eve will be going full walking in stations. Some of you seem to think this last update with captains quarters WAS incarna, but in fact CCP has stated that incarna will encompass several large updates before its completed at the end of this year.

The items in the Nex store are being sold because shortly we will be meeting each other face to face inside stations, making drug deals and banging back shots at the bar! Get with the program and stop your *****ing already.


They announced Incarna like 5 damn years ago and after all of that time they released 1 Captains closet! They announce the other 3 at the end of the summer....well the end of the summer is here and now they come at the end of the year.......9 months for 4 tiny rooms? By the time they've done anything good with Incarna it will be nearly 7 years in the making......entire AAA games are made in half of that time.




But you're forgetting that this isn't a new game. This is an already existing game, with brand new elements being implemented into it. I'm also 100% sure that's a bit more complicated than just releasing a totally new game.

Think before you rage.


The sum is lesser than it's parts you say? That's impossible and for trolling we will be voting yes to a war in 24 hours at which point you will receive your punishment for being a moron. Think of it as a stupid tax.

Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.08.26 04:08:00 - [62]
 

Is it just me or does it look like over half those items have been there since the nex store launched?

I wonder if the playerbase could do a better job at making clothing... hmmm

-Cave

Alexa Akiga
Posted - 2011.08.26 04:15:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Hicksimus
Originally by: Meryl SinGarda
Edited by: Meryl SinGarda on 26/08/2011 03:57:16
I come into this thread and I find myself wondering, "Why are these belligerent whiners still here?"

Then I remember we're talking about people who think this is a spaceship game.

Also;

Originally by: Hicksimus
Originally by: Alexa Akiga
What you all seem to forget is this is not about spaceship barbie, this is about the fact that in less than 6 months, eve will be going full walking in stations. Some of you seem to think this last update with captains quarters WAS incarna, but in fact CCP has stated that incarna will encompass several large updates before its completed at the end of this year.

The items in the Nex store are being sold because shortly we will be meeting each other face to face inside stations, making drug deals and banging back shots at the bar! Get with the program and stop your *****ing already.


They announced Incarna like 5 damn years ago and after all of that time they released 1 Captains closet! They announce the other 3 at the end of the summer....well the end of the summer is here and now they come at the end of the year.......9 months for 4 tiny rooms? By the time they've done anything good with Incarna it will be nearly 7 years in the making......entire AAA games are made in half of that time.




But you're forgetting that this isn't a new game. This is an already existing game, with brand new elements being implemented into it. I'm also 100% sure that's a bit more complicated than just releasing a totally new game.

Think before you rage.


The sum is lesser than it's parts you say? That's impossible and for trolling we will be voting yes to a war in 24 hours at which point you will receive your punishment for being a moron. Think of it as a stupid tax.


LOL dude war decs someone for making him look foolish on the forums, only in eve. LOL

Hicksimus
Gallente
Mom's Friendly Spaceship Company
Posted - 2011.08.26 04:21:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Alexa Akiga


LOL dude war decs someone for making him look foolish on the forums, only in eve. LOL


Trolling with an alt.....

Alu Utukku
Posted - 2011.08.26 05:59:00 - [65]
 

i really didn't think it'd be possible to have less of a dev blog than last fridays lengthy dissertation on vacations and .... vacations.

apparently i was wrong. Shocked

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:09:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Sterling Severasse
So they have the time and resources for this but can't... oh, I dunno... fix hybrid turrets?
Well, to be fair, these things were finished in May, but they didn't want to make them available immediately.

Igualmentedos
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.26 06:47:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Hicksimus
Originally by: Alexa Akiga
What you all seem to forget is this is not about spaceship barbie, this is about the fact that in less than 6 months, eve will be going full walking in stations. Some of you seem to think this last update with captains quarters WAS incarna, but in fact CCP has stated that incarna will encompass several large updates before its completed at the end of this year.

The items in the Nex store are being sold because shortly we will be meeting each other face to face inside stations, making drug deals and banging back shots at the bar! Get with the program and stop your *****ing already.


They announced Incarna like 5 damn years ago and after all of that time they released 1 Captains closet! They announce the other 3 at the end of the summer....well the end of the summer is here and now they come at the end of the year.......9 months for 4 tiny rooms? By the time they've done anything good with Incarna it will be nearly 7 years in the making......entire AAA games are made in half of that time.




^ this. CCP is kinda like Blizzard (LOLWUT). They take FOREVER to release anything, but the only difference is that CCP releases bug-ridden piles of horse ****.

No commitment to quality
No effective communication
No balance

**** you CCP

Crusa Alearf
Minmatar
Avon Cosmetics
Posted - 2011.08.26 07:39:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Crusa Alearf on 26/08/2011 07:41:48
I never thought it would come to this. I am actually posting into a "whine-thread" on general discussion. I've always held CCP in high-regard from the BETA days to this summer. I've never played 24/7 but I've been following EVE and playing it from time to time for years. Longest break being last 10 - 12 months, when I just did not have time to play at all.

I'll say this first. I'm not complaining about Incarna, I find it has a lot of potential and I've dreamed of WIS, and I'm not quitting over it. BUT I am completely astonished how it was released and how the post-release is being handled.

Naturally I'm playing again because I received a reactivation offer from CCP. I've found new stuff to do in EVE and I'm enjoying it but what I really came back for was WIS and let's be honest CCP has been really unprofessional about delivering it. The current CQ doesn't deliver pretty much anything else than looking at your Avatar in 3D.

Sure It'll be awesome in the future but this release has been a major failure in marketing and sales sense. All the clients you're now trying to get hooked with WIS probably won't stay very long when they realize there is nothing in it at this point. And c'mon even CCP's marketing has to know FIRST IMPRESSIONS are everything.

Second, CCP released this update (which did not deliver) on the verge of summer vacation, so there has been inadequate work done to respond to calls from the player base.

Third we've been promised an update at the end of August but there has been no release of patch notes or anything to tell us what to expect. I wouldn't count the blog that was posted last week. It was honestly pretty empty content wise.

Fourth, headline news that there are new items in the NeX store, even though the items are pretty much redundant with the current shape of things. WAKE UP and deliver something news worthy!

In conclusion, we all have a right to be disappointed at CCP and this release. Not necessarily because of its features but at the way the release has been done without delivering much of the "promised" content and so leaving the value proposition quite empty.

A company this long in the game should know better.

Cebraio
Posted - 2011.08.26 07:56:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Cedar Locus
Originally by: Hicksimus
Everything happens for a reason so either this NEX thing is secretly very successful or they think that by constantly advertising barbies to a group of people that want to play spaceships they will somehow sell barbies.

I'm going with the latter option and have to add that I'm surprised they haven't identified their target audience after 8 years. This seems like a "cool idea" from a meeting versus doing what will actually work. Watch what I do here CCP maybe you can learn something! Your entire market are EvE players, we can't see the NEX store if we don't like spaceships. So the basic idea is that popular things for us involve spaceships which are not barbies. So what should you sell to people who like spaceships? Ship paint schemes, sell a better looking pod and crystals that make lasers fire cool colors(but not different damage), sell access to the ability to make a better corp logo. Now that you have our attention and us buying things put in some clothes and upgrades for our quarters.

How about pricing? Look at iTunes nobody wants to spend $20 on a CD any more but they'll spend hundreds per year on 99 cent transactions, more than they'd ever spend at the higher price point.

TLDR: Identify your target. Base your pricing, advertising and product around that market. Normalize your new product or service with the target and then expand without them noticing. Don't believe me? Check into how companies in the alcoholic beverage industry function.



nex is only beeing tested in eve, it's developed for world of darkness


Quoting two excellent posts.

Chuffer
Posted - 2011.08.26 08:35:00 - [70]
 

Oh gawd. I don't think I can continue playing this game, its just not serious business any more.

Fashion houses, in eve? Gritty harsh eve is dead (cant even use caps for eve any more), welcome superficial goth fashion parade eve online. Such a shame.

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.08.26 08:51:00 - [71]
 

I miss the days when we made our Char, and that was the way it was. Spent time, and went like this...Yup cool, OK kind of hot, Sweet a hood. Now were the **** is my space ship. AH there it is. Pew Pew time!!!

IskPlease
Posted - 2011.08.26 08:52:00 - [72]
 

If they really want to milk us with fashion items, i wish they'd at least not look like ****.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.08.26 08:55:00 - [73]
 

I fail to see the appeal of the clothes, they are all dark grey or black. I really don't see alot of variation or colour to "augment" your look.

Empy Ralt
Posted - 2011.08.26 09:03:00 - [74]
 


I wonder if they are actually deluded enough to think this counts as an "Eve content" patch?

Mr Pikey
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.26 09:11:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Alexa Akiga
What you all seem to forget is this is not about spaceship barbie, this is about the fact that in less than 6 months, eve will be going full walking in stations. Some of you seem to think this last update with captains quarters WAS incarna, but in fact CCP has stated that incarna will encompass several large updates before its completed at the end of this year.

The items in the Nex store are being sold because shortly we will be meeting each other face to face inside stations, making drug deals and banging back shots at the bar! Get with the program and stop your *****ing already.

Sorry but based on the computing power needed to just run CQ with one avatar I can’t afford the electricity bill and cooling required to run the server farm we are going to need to actually meet up with others in the game.

And why do we need to download all the ‘Barbie’ stuff in the client anyway, can’t it just be downloaded when needed by the person purchasing the product instead of bloating the client even more.

Whiny McEmokid
Posted - 2011.08.26 09:14:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Whiny McEmokid on 26/08/2011 09:25:29
Originally by: Ciar Meara
I fail to see the appeal of the clothes, they are all dark grey or black. I really don't see alot of variation or colour to "augment" your look.


black and grey are the only colors in my world.

edit: also in World of Darkness.

Aaron Aardvark
Amarr
Posted - 2011.08.26 11:01:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
I fail to see the appeal of the clothes, they are all dark grey or black. I really don't see alot of variation or colour to "augment" your look.

You forgot dark green.

Swren2
PIE EYE INDUSTRIES
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.08.26 11:02:00 - [78]
 

Wait, we're playing The Sims now?

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
Posted - 2011.08.26 11:06:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Swren2
Wait, we're playing The Sims now?


Yeah new edition. You can now fly in 3D between houses and show off how cool you are to... hmm.. well... mirror. Or other interested Sims. Wait spaceships game? What spaceships game? It's just transports with fancy things some ancient long gone beings called... emm... capsuleers i think used to do something with. Some thing called pew pew.

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.08.26 11:24:00 - [80]
 

When I first heard about Ambulation I was excited.

I don't know about you but I find it hard to relate to a spaceship. So the thought of having the ability to get out of the pod and walk around the station,rubbernecking the sights and talking to other players seemed like a good expansion to the game. Sadly, like a lot of stuff from CCP the reality does not match the promise, CQ is of course just starting and will be developed, soon! But the current CQ is dull, depressing and just plain ugly. And the performance! well if Oblivion could look like it does running on PCs from 5 years? ago why can't CQ make more of an effort. Now it maybe that because I use Linux I have made some of the problems for myself but the delay in loading and then actually walking about has made the game unplayable. It's not just me though I have heard that others have similar problems especially with the heat generated by the graphics card. Still, one bonus from having turned CQ off is that I do not have to worry about the "Barbie factor" as I can't see it anyway. If CCP could just get the performance sorted then I look forward to what *might* be a useful addition to the experience of playing EVE, but until then it will stay switched off and if the rumours of CQ being made compulsory are true then the time may come when I will be forced to leave, not because I want to but because the game is just not playable on my setup.Sad

Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
Posted - 2011.08.26 12:50:00 - [81]
 

1. That's just insulting, CCP, to release new NeX items when you still haven't addressed major issues since Incarna release.

2. This is the same **** we have already: boots, skirts, shirts... All you did is put a different skin on top of it and still charge over 3500 AUR per each item.

Boofy Midumulf
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:38:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: FilterRelease
Great post. How ******ed are they up there in iceland? they must of hired some of those bankers.


Not one from Iceland, but sure enough a Fail banker: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-gallo/20/726/64b

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.26 13:51:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Dr Zuma
This being "Headline News" -

http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4709&tid=1

All broken.


The completely wrong direction that this game is taking notwithstanding, that is some of the most unoriginal, unimaginative, and uninspired content ever (as if the standard clothing we got with the char creator wasn't bland enough).

In the future, if you must release something like that again, a note in the patch notes would be preferable to a standalone news item. Really.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:03:00 - [84]
 

The art department has the time to make skirts but not the Tempest BS it would appear.

Interesting.

C.


Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:20:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 26/08/2011 14:27:01
I wouldn't mind, except this stuff is SO ****ING BORRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!

Jesus Christ, where has the sense of lost, far-flung, future civilizations gone?

Where is the playfulness?

This looks like crap you could buy from your local shopping mall.

For ****'s sake CCP get a clue, these outfits are beautifully done, but design-wise it's a total snoozefest. Bring back some sense of mystery, some sense of alien-ness, of distance between us and these avatars we are playing. Get your designers to imagine what a lost, far future civilization would be wearing, not copying ****ing generic movie s-f rubbish of the 80s and 90s.

FFS.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:21:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Dr Zuma
This being "Headline News" -

http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4709&tid=1

All broken.


The completely wrong direction that this game is taking notwithstanding, that is some of the most unoriginal, unimaginative, and uninspired content ever (as if the standard clothing we got with the char creator wasn't bland enough).

In the future, if you must release something like that again, a note in the patch notes would be preferable to a standalone news item. Really.


I know what you are saying, it's nothing special, but this isn't a patch.

This is relevant to the person earlier in the thread complaining about the client becoming more bloated as well.

This is simply additional content that is available... not a patch, update or download to your client.

Sino Sarn
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:24:00 - [87]
 

Meanwhile, in EVE,

Tech is still broken.
scars are still horribly OP.
RUS owns everything.
and lag with around 300ppl on an unref'd node is still unplayable.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:54:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Razin on 26/08/2011 15:05:30
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Razin

The completely wrong direction that this game is taking notwithstanding, that is some of the most unoriginal, unimaginative, and uninspired content ever (as if the standard clothing we got with the char creator wasn't bland enough).

In the future, if you must release something like that again, a note in the patch notes would be preferable to a standalone news item. Really.


I know what you are saying, it's nothing special, but this isn't a patch.

This is relevant to the person earlier in the thread complaining about the client becoming more bloated as well.

This is simply additional content that is available... not a patch, update or download to your client.

Just to be clear, content of this sort has been announced in the patch notes before. No reason why this couldn't have been listed in the Incarna 1.1 patch notes.

OilSlick Rick
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:00:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Wight Ithira
Still holding out for a proper astronaut helmet.



Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Nova Kierra
State Protectorate
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:33:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 26/08/2011 15:05:30
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Razin

The completely wrong direction that this game is taking notwithstanding, that is some of the most unoriginal, unimaginative, and uninspired content ever (as if the standard clothing we got with the char creator wasn't bland enough).

In the future, if you must release something like that again, a note in the patch notes would be preferable to a standalone news item. Really.


I know what you are saying, it's nothing special, but this isn't a patch.

This is relevant to the person earlier in the thread complaining about the client becoming more bloated as well.

This is simply additional content that is available... not a patch, update or download to your client.

Just to be clear, content of this sort has been announced in the patch notes before. No reason why this couldn't have been listed in the Incarna 1.1 patch notes.


Because CCP is desperate to spread their micro transactions disease, that is why they are posting a headline to announce a few new unimaginative, boring NeX clothing additions that present no real value to the game, considering we have yet to see Walking in Stations.


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