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Forum Alting
Posted - 2011.08.25 16:42:00 - [1]
 

Okay, let me say from the start; If you're here to say the Tengu does it better then save it. I KNOW it's better. This topic is how to get the best out of the Legion, not what to use instead. (Sorry, it just bugs me how many people immediatly say 'Use Tengu' the moment someone utters T3)

I've been trying to put together a WH legion fit for use when effectively dual-boxing with a copy. There are no dedicated logistics so the fit's have to be able to either tank themselves or RR each other. I think I've got the tank part sorted but I've trying to choose which weapon system to use. The main choices in my eyes are HAMs and HMLs. The fits I've got so far are:

[Legion, My legion HAM]
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Large Capacitor Battery II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I

Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

DPS: T1-582(20km) T2 rage-745(18km) T2 Javelin-524(30km)

[Legion, My legion HML]
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Large Capacitor Battery II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I

Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

DPS: T1-372(84km) T2 fury-477(75km) T2 precision-323(42km)

Both are cap-stable at 33% with RR on, cap-stable at 92% (19.5GJ excess capacitor) with RR off. Both have a omni-tank of about 550DPS and EHP of 25,893 (I've found a similar tank on a drake is more than enough for a C2 but if this is not enough for a C3 then say. A BCU can be swapped for another EANM to get a 770DPS tank and 31,807EHP). Both move at 650m/s with 154m sig.

In essense they are identical in everything except weaponary.
I'm attracted to the HAM version for the sheer damage potential but I see a lot of people using HMLs. Is this personal preference or am I missing something other than the massive range? I know that explosion radius and speed are better for HMLs but is it a big enough difference that they are absolutly superior if the target is webbed and target painted (possibly double webbed/painted)?

Basically, is the choice between HML/HAM personal choice or are HMLs demonstratably better in every way?
This is my first attempt at a T3 fit AND a WH fit and I could easily be missing something here so are there any problems with this fit?
Whew! Wall of text over. Thoughts anyone?

bartos100
DARK ADAMA
Terra Axiom
Posted - 2011.08.25 18:26:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: bartos100 on 25/08/2011 18:26:44
i think the point of using HML is the range and that makes the webs useless

for hams you have to go in rather close making you get webbed and neuted to hell and 33% cap is gone very fast

and i'm not sure if your tank is gona be good enough

ow and you forgot your probe launcher WH rule nr1 never forget the probes else you will get stuck at one point or another

and for WH i prefere a laser legion due to ammo issues in WH

Forum Alting
Posted - 2011.08.25 19:51:00 - [3]
 

Sorry, I should've been been clearer. There is a POS with ample supplies of pretty much every type of ammo I might need, particularly missiles as well as my dedicated probing ships/fits. Ammo is not a concern and neither is this ship required to probe either. It's just site-running.

In my experience in C2s sleepers only neut and shoot one target at a time. That solves the cap problem as the ship that's under attack shuts down it's RR so the sleepers have to overcome 19.5GJ of cap regen or 92% rather than 33%. Even if they succeed, the launchers are capless and the EANM is capless. Meanwhile the other ship (the one not being shot/neuted) activates it's RR to keep the one that is being shot alive.

In theory it seemed like this would work in a C2...not sure about a C3.

Do sleepers go after multiple ships at the same time in a C3? Are they going to neut and shoot both legions at the same time? From what I've seen in a C2 they all go after one target then all go after another. I haven't seen them split their fire.

And you would recommend the 770DPS tank for C3s? Good to know.

How does this sound? Since with HAMs I'd have to clear out any webbing ships to catch up with some of the longer range sleepers, how about HMLs to sites where webbing ships are the triggers for waves (and thus I'd need to leave them till last) and HAMs for everything else (Where I can afford to blast the webbing ships first so I can catch the other sleepers)? Would that work?

Sakina Kilij
Posted - 2011.08.25 19:52:00 - [4]
 

Use lasers. 607 omni tank with no holes, 608 dps with Conflag, 434 dps with Scorch. Plus, you will eat the frigates and cruisers much faster.

[Legion, Legion - Legion C3 Sleepers]
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Thermic Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


grumpyguts1
Posted - 2011.08.25 20:29:00 - [5]
 

In a C3 you would need to be able to hit @ 65km or be able to get to a neuting BS with enough tank and cap to get in range and kill it. Also important to note is that the sleepers will often be shooting at 1 ship and neuting another, so unless you got enough pilots self repping works best in a C3. You will need an omni tank of at least 450 for anoms, radar's and mag will need more. Only 1 anom has a scram frig, so best to get in and try for yourself. If you can't easily get through the anoms, I would suggest staying away from the mag's and radar's.

Forum Alting
Posted - 2011.08.25 20:52:00 - [6]
 

So my RR tactic won't work with just two pilots.
Well, I'll use HMLs or failing that I'll go for the laser legion then. Cheers guys.

Snatch Frigate
Posted - 2011.08.26 11:46:00 - [7]
 

First things first you need 55% cap stability in a C3 if memory serves


 

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