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Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.25 12:08:00 - [1]
 

So I've finally made up my mind on the rest of my computer, yet the graphics card is bothering me again.
I've pretty much arrived at a few choices:

Price minimum/optimal -> Card
185/205 -> 1x 6950 1GB
210/220 -> 1x 6950 2GB
255/280 -> 1x 570 1.25GB
280/330 -> 2x 6870 1GB Crossfire

The prices are minimal/optimal with regards to cooling, according to me.

Things to consider: Resolution is 1920x1080. Multiple monitors are unlikely but possible. Resell value ~1 year later. SLI/CF heat&noise.
Things to disregard: Unlocking of the 6950. Reference card heat&noise values from reviews. Previous "bad experiences" with AMD/ATI/Nvidia or their driver software.

Which would you choose and more importantly, why?
Other suggestions are welcome as long as they don't stretch the price too far away from the examples.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.08.25 14:50:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2011 14:54:08

Resell value... hmm... in a year, you lose at least 20-30% due to moral aging and about that much again (if not more) due to physical use ("used" discount) regardless of card you buy, so the more expensive your setup is now, the more money you'll lose overall. I would not be at all surprised if all you can get is half your money back in a year.

SLI configs, I personally try to stay away from them as much as possible, primarily due to heat issues (more likely to have the top card croak early) and a distant secondary concern being less than perfect scaling (on slightly older games, the new ones usually scale remarkably well). On the other hand, you might be able to sell the cards separately, so, meh.

I doubt there will be many games out in a year where you'll really need anything more than one 6950 to have them work just fine in 1080p. Get the 2 GB version just in case you will use multiple monitors.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.08.25 17:19:00 - [3]
 

SLI two 460 GTX 1gb and you should have the performance to beat a 580 or a 6970.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261088

110$ after MIR. so thats two for around 220$ which beats out your choice for a 6950

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:02:00 - [4]
 

Unfortunately newegg.com is not an option for me. I'm in Europe.

I generally get at least a dual fan card unless reviews give me a good reason to believe that it will cool well anyway, so all the minimal prices are actually dual fan cards.
So the cheapest 460SE I could find is 130, which is equal to the cheapest 6850 I'd be willing to buy, but cutting 10 off the price is not worth the performance drop compared to the 6870.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:02:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Unfortunately newegg.com is not an option for me. I'm in Europe.

I generally get at least a dual fan card unless reviews give me a good reason to believe that it will cool well anyway, so all the minimal prices are actually dual fan cards.
So the cheapest 460SE I could find is 130, which is equal to the cheapest 6850 I'd be willing to buy, but cutting 10 off the price is not worth the performance drop compared to the 6870.





Vapor-X series from Sapphire.

incidentally, the 6770 vapor-X is a nice pick for the 100 bracket.

it is also quite cool and eats next to nothing in terms of power.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.08.26 22:19:00 - [6]
 

For one monitor, get a GTX570. If you only play EVE, a GTX560 will be more than sufficient, especially if you would have been happy with a 6950 (similar performance). Radeons are only a real option for more than 2 monitors since NVidia still can't get that right, at least not entirely.

There is NO point in SLI/CF unless you want to deal with constant problems and compatability issues. A single video card with one GPU from Nvidia is the most troublefree setup, and a GTX570 will play anything at max detail (and will continue to do so for a while to come).
SLI uses a LOT of power and by the time you'd want to resell your system a single gpu card will be released that's faster anyway. SLI is something for the tech junkies, not for the average user/gamer (or even the enthusiasts).

Forget about resale value. By the time you'd resell the system there will be brand new systems on sale that cost less and perform just as well, the nature of hardware development unfortunately.

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.27 01:36:00 - [7]
 

Hm, I had totally forgotten about the 67xx series. I'll have to take a closer look at some reviews.

While I do prefer single cards I'm not really scared of SLI/CF yet, I've never done it but it seems to work well for new games, and you can always revert to using 1 card for older games.
The only SLI/CF complaint that I heard recently is "micro-stuttering" but that doesn't seem to affect everybody and it seems to be a problem that can be solved with some configuration.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.08.27 08:57:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Hm, I had totally forgotten about the 67xx series. I'll have to take a closer look at some reviews.


while I said that they are a nice card, they are actually just a rebranded 57xx (6750/6770 = 5750/5770), with improved blue-ray decoding and hdmi 1.4 support.


it doesn't detract the fact that they are actually quite good, price-watt-performance wise.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.08.27 13:18:00 - [9]
 

What reiisha said to be honest.

SLI/Crossfire is only for people who're playing in ultra high resolutions, and those who want to ***** benchmarks.

I have two 3GB Palit GTX 580s in SLI, as I play at 3600x1920, but for 1920x1080 you'd be fine with most stock 1GB cards to be honest.

If you're looking to do it on a budget, go for a mid range GTX560/570 and you should be set. For something more punchy, a low to mid range GTX580 is good.

I recently swapped out from ATI cards, as I've had nothing but problems with my 2GB 5870 Sapphire VaporX Edition for the last 8 months or so. Flash compatibility problems, driver issues, random crashes, you name it.

I've loved ATI cards in the past but it'll be a cold day in hell before I buy another, they've really gone to hell since AMD bought them out.


Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.08.29 10:05:00 - [10]
 

I can stretch my budget if I see value in doing so but I have a built in instinct to go for a good price/performance ratio.

I don't quite see why you guys classify multi card setups as something elite'ish, if 2 cheap cards can preform better than 1 expensive card, why not do it? Currently, the only cons I see are heat and noise.
Or do you mean it requires excessive amounts of configuration per game? I read that usually there are profiles for each game with the drivers.

Considering the cheapest 1080p monitor is about 80, multi monitor setups don't seem to be far away either.

I still couldn't make up my mind so I looked at some reviews, took 25 games and put the FPS rates in some spreadsheets and had a look how much the different upgrades buy me.

The given prices, including shipping, were:

HD6790 HD6870 HD6950 GTX570
118.89 145.88 220.66 259.44


And the average FPS difference was:

6790 -> 6870 6870 -> 6950 6950 -> 570
11.928 6.578 8.158


Which is an average price per FPS gain of:

3.540 12.770 10.560


If I change the price of the 6950 to that of the 1GB version, 195.89, the average price difference is this:

3.540 8.540 17.365



The FPS values were taken mostly from benchmarks at 1920x1080|1200 and a few ones from higher resolutions.


 

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